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PVCs - any home remedy successes?

Had ablation in 2002 & no AFIB since but plagued with PVCs ever since.  Just had another 24 hr. holter, echo, etc., and all normal except showed 4,000+ PVCs - benign.  So heart in good shape.  I exercise daily, am 6'4" - 180 lbs., 52 yrs. old and am on Flecinade and a beta blocker.  PVCs just seem to keep gradually getting worse(they're bad for a few weeks, not so bad for a few weeks, etc.) and now they're affecting my sleep and exercising (which really tees me off!).  Have been reading/investigating non medicinal ways to reduce the damn PVCs though I realize eliminating them is probably unrealistic.  Heck, I'd be VERY happy to reduce them to just a 'one a minute' frequency.  Have come across many posts supporting changes in diets as well as many variations/combinations of supplements.  I have, for a long time, avoided my triggers (alcohol, sugar, adrenaline, caffeine, etc.).  Have tried many different combinations of supplements and changed my diet but am feeling I'm wandering...trying this one week, and this another.  Much is trial and error and I'm getting frustrated and impatient. I want to hear from anyone who's had significant numbers of PVCs who, in turn, has had real success (assuming there is anyone) reducing them.  I don't care what they did...no possible remedy is too crazy or silly.  I realize what works for one may not work for another but surely there are those who have, perhaps through trial and error, persistence, research and a higher intelligent level than myself (not too hard to find) found success in reducing their frequency. If there is someone 'out there' who would like to share their successes, I'm all ears!!!!
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So sorry you are being plagued by the #$%@ pvcs!  They can be unnerving, and finding a "cure" seems nearly impossible.  That said, I found ultimate success with ablations.  BUT, prior to that I tried flecainide, then rhythmol.  Has your doctor considered changing your medication?  For me, the rhythmol worked well and I had fewer side effects.

Having pvcs is annoying, but having them when you exercise, that really stinks!  I used to get them when I lifted anything over my head (weights included, small ones though...lol)

Good luck with finding what works best for you.
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As for home remedies, try hawthorn berry tea when you're going through a bad bout with the palps.  It helps me sometimes!
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It's so flipping frustrating isn't it?!!! I just went thru a 10 month phase of horrible runs, couplets, bigimeny everyday in the 10,000's. I took Toprol and couldn't even get out of bed. Started Sectral and within an hour, things only got worse. Anyway, I started taking around 400 to 500 mgs. of plain liquid magnesium about a week ago and when I woke up yesturday they were gone! Poof! Just like that. Its been a blissful, completely PVC-free 29 hours so far.
My Cardio/EP is a huge advocate for mag. getting rid of PVC's, but I never gave it much of a chance and was never diligent in taking it everyday....until last week when I just couldn't take the runs of PVC's anymore. Like you, I was willing to try anything.
By the way, serum blood tests do little to nothing in showing a mag. deficiency.  To get the needed daily amount, one has to eat huge amounts equivalent to 12 cups of broccoli, or 14 banana's, or 20 cups of spinach, etc. and that's EVERYDAY, not just a few times a week.

"While magnesium deficiency is fairly common, it is frequently overlooked as a source of problems. The reason is that serum magnesium levels (the test most doctors use) do not reflect body stores of magnesium. Blood levels are kept within the normal range at the expense of other tissues. Supplemental vitamin D or calcium reduces magnesium uptake.

Magnesium supplementation has been shown to be an extremely effective therapy or adjunctive measure in many common conditions especially cardiovascular disease. Magnesium is absolutely essential in the proper functioning of the heart. Magnesium's role in preventing heart disease and strokes is generally well-accepted. In addition, there is a substantial body of knowledge demonstrating that magnesium supplementation is effective in treating a wide range of cardiovascular diseases.
  
For example, magnesium was first shown to be of value in the treatment of cardiac arrhythmias in 1935. More than seventy years later, there are now numerous double-blind studies showing magnesium to be of benefit for many types of arrhythmias including atrial fibrillation, ventricular premature contractions, ventricular tachycardia, and severe ventricular arrhythmias."
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can you tell me where to get liquid magnesium?  does it come in any particular strength?  is there a chance it could make palps worse?
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Yes, what liquid mag do you use?  I take magnesium taurate capsules but would really prefer a liquid.  The capsules do help, though.
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I'm using a liquid Mag Citrate by Life Solutions. I checked out a few of my local health food stores first though. Most of them carry one form or another, although alot of the products have calcium in them too.
Most of the health stores will special order a brand for you at no extra cost, so make sure and ask if you can't find any.

When your taking Mag. for arrythmia's, my cardio suggests staying away from supplemental Calcium. Calcium is a neuro-excitor, magnesium is a neuro-relaxor. Mag. also acts as a natural calcium channel blocker.  It's alot harder to get the RDA of mag, then it is calcium. Without a proper balance of these two minerals, magnesium gets depleted, which will result in the negative effects associated with lack of magnesium (arrhythmia's) and a buildup of unassimilated calcium. The biggest side effect of supplemental Magnesium is diarrhea if your taking too much. I take 400 to 500 mg's aday with 0 side effects. A definete sign that I am low like 90% of the population. If you experience diarrhea, simply cut back on the milligram's until you balance out and it disappears.
Within 3 days, I was experiencing 3 to 4 hours of being PVC free, followed by an few hours of the real nasty ones I've been experiencing everyday for 10 months. Day 4 and 5, I went 6 to 8 hours at a time being PVC free and finally on day six, I only had about an hour or two of random ones. Day 7 and so far day 8 have been completely PVC free. It took exactly 1 week for my PVC's to completely disappear. It's really hard to believe it has been a coincedence. I've even engaged in a few known things to trigger them again (drank a Big Gulp of Pepsi, watched a real stressing movie, Sex), and nothing happens. No PVC's whatsoever.

I started on 4 teaspoons of Gaviscon the first few days while I waited for my liquid mag from Life Solutions to get shipped to my chiropractor. You can order it yourself I believe at: http://lifewellness.com/pgroup_descrip/11/51/?mode=image

I'm going to order Natural Calm Powder the next time. It has Mag. Citrate as 615 mg (elemental from magnesium citrate) per 3 teaspoons. It comes in a rasberry lemonade flavor.

Nutricology's liquid magnesium is also a good one. It's magnesium chloride at 66.5 mg's per 1/2 teaspoon, so you can start as slow as you like and work up to about 400 mgs. Liquid Magnesium Chloride has to be stored in the refriderator.
You can order it online here: http://www.nutricology.com/Magnesium-Chloride-Liquid-8-oz-p-16512.html or check your local health stores.
And here's some product info on it. http://www.nutricology.com/proddesc/discuss/NC_MagnesiumProductsPDFSheet120105.pdf

finetilthree: You know, at first, I too was worrrying about mag. possibly making them worse, but after talking to about a dozen doctors, and researching for hours and hours, I was finally convinced that if anything, mag would'nt do a thing, or more likely, it would get rid of them. Once I understood the whole process of how mag acts in the body on nerves, cells, and especially the heart, I can see how magnesium could only help palps....and as long as your not over doing it, there's no side-effects. I've had to take a "what do I have to lose" approach at this point. Magnesium at the RDA levels will not kill me.
My Cardio recommends 300 to 500 elemental mgs. for women over the age of 30.
If you research Magnesium, you'll see that Mag. has been used for over 70 years to actually help correct palps/arrhythmia's and is even given to heart attack victims to improve survival rates. It is also a standard procedure in stopping or correcting  atrial fibrillation, torsade de pointes and severe refractory ventricular fibrillation and has been proven to correct post surgery etopics by 70%.

Best wishes!
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Thank you for the advice on Mag. I ordered some from Life Wellness. I am so glad to hear that you are getting some relief from these horrible things!!!
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Prior to my ablation, Magnesium supplements decreased my PVC to about 66% of what they were without the supplements...not much but something.
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sickofpvcs-- Your welcome! I sure hope you find the relief that I have. Let me know how things go for you. I'm almost through day 3 and still PVC-free....

fwilson-- I trust that your ablation has proved successful? :)
I think I would have taken even the 34% reduction over no relief at all a few weeks ago!

It's good to hear that other people have had at least some success with magnesium!
Almost all of the supplement PILLS I researched showed extremely low, less then > 40% dissolution and > 20 % absorption rates versus liquid magnesium which had immediate dissolution rates and up to 98% absorption rates starting in the mouth upon taking it.
From some of the researchers clinical standpoints, liquid magnesium appears to be as close as you can get to the benefits proven in IV or injectable magnesium therapies.

*** The Physician's Desk Reference (PDR) shows that vitamins and minerals in a pill form are only 10 to 20% absorbed by the body. In contrast vitamins and minerals in liquid nutritional supplements form are up to 98% absorbed.***

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I have been having PVC's for the past 10 years.  For the past four or five years, they haven't affected me. Just in the past two weeks they have been bothersome.  I had become carefree in my diet.  I began drinking caffeine laden drinks on a daily basis, not taking my supplements, using Splenda and Sweet and Low, having a little too much wine and not sleeping adequately.  Every so often we need a wakeup call.  So this is what I have done, and it is helping..a little better each day.  I gave up the caffeine, have been taking Natural Calm (a magnesium supplement), tabooed the wine (only one glass a week) and nixed the Splenda and Sweet and Low (artificial sweetners aren't good for you and I don't think they can be good for your heart).  And I have gotten back to an 8 hour sleep regime.  I think sometimes we let life go buy and forget about taking care of the only body we have.  It is like a fine turned instrument and when you don't take care of it, just like a car, it acts up.   Another thing I have read is that MSG and glutamates are not good on the heart- I started checking labels and found derivatives of this in too many things.  I got back to eating whole foods. I think all of us would do our bodies good if we just put good old whole foods in our bodies.  THese chemicals are killing us!
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Thank you so much for this info. I have been dealing with this only a little while and just got the diagnosis today. Very helpful,  going out to  get Magnesium tonight!
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I am a avid rock climber and outdoor enthusiast. I've had PVC's since I was 23 and I am now 34. I know that both my parents get them and my father was in the military and would run 6 miles a day and the PVC's would never affect him. My PVC's come and go, but I like many of the people here started taking an interest and researched about home remedies. I read too that Magnesium really helps decrease the amount of PVC's. I started taking Magnesium supplements and my PVC's completely went away. I would have an occasional every blue moon, but it really helped. It took about 1-2 weeks to show results using the Magnesium supplements.

I stopped taking the Magnesium supplements back in June of 2007 and the PVC's have been coming and going more frequently. I just started taking Magnesium again and I'll post the results in the next week or so. I too have been to the cardiologist wearing heart monitors and taking all kinds of tests and the results were all negative. One thing my parents do is to just ignore them, which works when you have the mind for it. Me being the obsessive, over analyzing person I am, tends to notice every single thing.

I've been bitten by a rattlesnake, rock climb super hard, stress and drink on occasion and I've not had a situation with PVC's the where I felt like I was going to die, they just scare me. I've noticed with myself a correlation between gas and allergies, but it could be just me looking for an answer to make me feel better. I've read a correlation between GERD and PVC's. I've also read about other muscles being too close to the heart and irritating it to cause PVC's. Here's a link to the GERD forum:

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=45&m=308402

On a personal note, I try to just forget about the PVC's I get and enjoy life. I don't let them get in the way of me being happy.
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I have had PVCs since being pregnant with our third child 6 years ago. I have had tachycardic episodes on and off since I was a child. I had a Holter monitor done twice (the first time they placed it incorrectly so it registered nothing) and got my results a few weeks ago (the Holter was done almost 4 years ago). I was told that the Holter showed I was having many PVCs (never told this before) and that I was OK. At the time of the Holter I also had a heart ultrasound done and it showed the heart muscle itself to be fine (does not show the state of the veins and arteries, though).

Anyway, FF 4 years. I was so fed up with the palpitations (PVCs) that I decided to go back to my PCP. Was told that I have PVCs. Was put on omeprazole for acid reflux disease last January (2007) after I had an upper endoscopy to rule out any esophageal or stomach disease. In August I was told I have Barrett's Esophagus (the gastro doc had told me I was fine when I went for the follow-up appointment, after the endoscope, in Feb!). Anyway, no sure if there is a link between gastric problems and heart arrhythmia but I have both. I had side effects from the omeprazole (skin rashes, tachycardia, bloating etc but they didn't change my meds and I really hate being on meds anyway). I am now on Prilosec OTC. Not seeing the side effects (yet so hoping for none!).

Last Thursday, after much reading, I started on Magnesium Taurate (500mg). I bought them a month prior, just before my first appointment with a cardiologist (I never got to see one at the time of the Holter), but had not taken any yet. I did ask the cardiologist about magnesium taurate and he totally poo-poohed the notion and told me that too many people rely on supplements rather than FDA-APPROVED (yes, he emphasized that) prescription medication. He heard some PVCs. He said I was tachycardic (my HR was a little higher than usual because I was nervous and I hadn't slept well the night prior) and that he could do electric (I think that's what he said) testing of the heart (feeding wires into it!) and/or put me on beta blockers. I don't want to be on meds (or more meds since I have to be on the acid reducer because of the Barrett's) and I told him that. We talked about ablation briefly.

I am now starting my second week on a 30 day heart monitor. I have called in many PVC epsidoes in the first 3 days but haven't bothered calling any since. I started on magnesium taurate a week ago tomorrow (Thursday of last week) and have NOT FELT A SINGLE PVC in almost 3 days now. I also have not felt the raised HR in the morning that I sometimes (not always, mind you) get.

Is this a coincidence??? Is the magnesium taurate doing this? If so, I am amazed. I put my husband on Natural Calm tonight (magnesium citrate - another supplement I read was great for heart health) just 'for insurance' against heart disease. He doesn't experience any arrhythmia but I think that it's better to be safe than sorry. We are a natural remedies family anyway and I want to make sure he's around for a long time (he is only 38 too so why not keep his heart healthy, right).

So, if you are suffering from any sort of arrhythmia and don't want to try meds (or if the meds are not working or worrying you) try some magnesium taurate or magnesium citrate and see if it helps. Also, do a Google search on those and PACs and/or PVCs. There is a lot of info out there. Of course, this is not an FDA-approved medication but I am really pleased with my results so far.
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Hi, just a little update. After getting only 2 or 3 PVCs in an entire week I started getting some yesterday (3 or 4) and today I have had (that I have felt) about 10 - 20. Not sure if it's connected but I just started my period today so I am curious if any other woman out there has them occuring more during their menstrual cycle than the rest of the month. I was getting quite happy about taking magnesium taurate but feel a little disappointed right now. I know it's better than in the 1000s but I was so hoping this would be the miracle cure. Any other woman noticing an increase in frequency during their monthly period?
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Whenever it’s the time of the mo th my pic get way worse, how is your magnesium helping?
YES! The 7-10 days prior to my period are the worst! THANK YOU for mentioning it as my doctor has sort of dismissed that.
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For the past 17 years I've had palps and they are always worse a few days before my period starts.  
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i have been getting pvc`s for the last 6 months and i realy dont know what to do it realy scares me sometimes i feel as i am not doing to wake up. my Dr. tells me to cough lots like that helps. i dont know what to do.
teri
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As long as you have a structurally normal heart, the PVCs are considered benign.  I know they don't feel that way, but doctors feel confident that they are more annoying than significant.  Have you had any tests?  Some people find coughing will stop the extra beats, but that doesn't always work.  Try not to worry....

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last tuesday i went out had some beers never again the next day the pvc were so bad i just could not stand it. my blood pressure went up too 154/120 my heart rate was 172 i thought for sure that was it.
why are they happening? How did it just start?
i had a monitor for 24 hrs. and the Dr. just told me that i`am having pvc. i live in a very small town, they tell me not to worry but its so hard i have a little boy.
does anyone else have that problem when you go out and drink???
teri
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I always got menstrual associated PVC's.  All my investigation leads me to believe they are caused by peaks and valleys in hormones.  I had PVC's the worst in my life the 1st three months of my pregnancy with my only son (at 34 years of age).  That was reason alone not to have more kids.  I began early menopause at the age of 42 and they were even worse than when I was pregnant.  I thought I would die.  I finally resorted to Zoloft as prescribed by my doctor and the palpitations stopped completely.  I stayed on the medicine for 2 years and was PVC free.  I finally decided to go off the medication and the PVC's returned after several months.  Now I go through terrible episodes and then back to no PVC's for no apparent reason.  The past week or so I am back to moderate to severe PVC's and I just can't handle it any more.  I am seriously thinking about returning to the Zoloft to alleviate the ebbs and flows of these "benign" annoyances.  They are robbing me of my sanity.  Good luck with everything.
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Thank you so much for the information on magnesium.  My friend and i would buy one this afternoon.  I am having this scary pvc's since february this year after a paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia episode.the pvc episodes are not frequent, yet just the same, i am always scared of them..
Thanks so much again.  and i'l let you know for whatever results i would have.  
May God bless us all!
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I noticed someone said that the Dr. told him/her to cough during PVCs...my husband has had these for years and when he has them he involuntarily coughs. Hundreds of times a day, no kidding.

Anyone else out there experience uncontrollable coughing during PVCs?

I'm going to tell him about the Magnesium...sounds positive.
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I am a 23 year old male who has been having chest pains and irregular heartbeats since I was 16. I was very active in high school as I was on both the football team and the lacross team. I have been to several different doctors and have had a full battery of tests performed on me including EKG's and stress tests. The results of all of these tests have been negative, yet I continue to experince discomfort in my chest. The sensation I feel in the chest area are like tiny needles poking their way through my heart muscle. At the same time I also can experience irregular heartbeats. I tend to get some relief when I lie down on my back. While the many doctors I have seen keep telling me that I don't have any serious life-threatening disease and pass it off as stress, I feel like there is more to the problem that I am not being told and maybe that's the problem in the first place. The chest pains and irregular heartbeats are really beginning to scare me since they have been going on for several years with no relief in sight. Does anyone have any suggestions or are there any doctors that can provide me with some help or information about my situation? Thank you so much for your time. Your comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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I am 71 years young. I had PVC since I was 27. They would come and go. Sometime hang around several weeks and sometime for only a day or so. Then other other times just have one or two and that would be it. In and out of cardio's office when they first began and they had no solution. Last year I was instructed to take Calcium, magnesium and potassium plus L Carnitine. I did that and my palpitations have been reduced by about 95%. By the way two years ago the cardiologist said I was having  PVC and PAC. There again he was not that concerned about them.  Anyway just thought I would relay my experience. Hope this is a help to someone. Now I have never experienced any chest pains. I was a competitive runner 5K and 10K from 40 years old until 57 yrs old.. I never had a PVC when running or I just didn't feel them. I also have never taken a Rx medication for them.
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I had PVC's in the hospital and come to find out my potassium and magneeseium (sorry if I spelled them wrong) were really low I had to have them IV medicated. If memory serves me the magneesium through Iv can have high risk. Ihad to be monitored with an ekg and vitals every 15 minutes while I was getting them this happened for 2 days and I have been fine since
good luck
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