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NA question about God
I want to join NA or a similar group but have found they are all centered around God. I am an Atheist/Buddhist and do not feel comfortable around people who focus on God. I cannot put faith on an unknown source other than my inner being. many people say that when they mention God at an NA meeting you can make that whatever you want however what I am talking about is the fact that for everyone there it will be God in the traditional sense. I want to be somewhere with people like me. Please advise me on any groups you may know of and do not try to convince me about the need for God please. I am who I am that is not going to change nor do I feel it should. Thank you.
Been to AA to support my girlfriend who made a mistake and got a DUI. I take pain medications for thorasic outlet syndrome and am not an addict.
rebecca, i have been clean for a while there is no shame in admitting that i goto na, and you can believe in satan if you want, or jesus, or nothing, there is no set idea to conform to, so the information you have gotten from some people on here is misleading, i have been attending meetings for years and i have never been instucted to believe in anything i did not want to!
first i make sure that anyone who talks to me about a 12 step program is clean! second i make sure they have worked all the steps and traditions and as a result has had a dramatic personality change
its like this, if i wanted help following weight watchers, i wouldnt get my information from people who were still binge eating, or people who never gave 100% to the program
its the same with na, everyone i know who has truely wanted off drugs and a better life by using the steps has made that big personality change,
its a great post, god comes up alot in meetings, when i was new if someone started talking about god and a higher power i would walk out the meetings, i was completly intolernat when it came to spiritual principals, later i just sat through the god talk and pick up what i needed and ignored the rest
there is no pressure at a meeting, you just simply listen, thats all, no one is going to send you to the alter
chronicpain, just curious, why do you goto aa if your not an alcoholic? are you an addict?
have you been in treatment, do you take narcotics?
first i make sure that anyone who talks to me about a 12 step program is clean! second i make sure they have worked all the steps and traditions and as a result has had a dramatic personality change
its like this, if i wanted help following weight watchers, i wouldnt get my information from people who were still binge eating, or people who never gave 100% to the program
its the same with na, everyone i know who has truely wanted off drugs and a better life by using the steps has made that big personality change,
its a great post, god comes up alot in meetings, when i was new if someone started talking about god and a higher power i would walk out the meetings, i was completly intolernat when it came to spiritual principals, later i just sat through the god talk and pick up what i needed and ignored the rest
there is no pressure at a meeting, you just simply listen, thats all, no one is going to send you to the alter
chronicpain, just curious, why do you goto aa if your not an alcoholic? are you an addict?
have you been in treatment, do you take narcotics?
what ever man made religion works ...........I guess. they all are.....man made.
through out the years I was often forced into classes and AA by authorities, because they happened to catch me drunk driving on a road. I was young and wild,knew no better or cared. sorry to say it. but the whole point is, I was forced into cooperation, and often when I would pull my views on religion, I was blasted for being wrong. having a desire to resolve licence issues and knowing "I was not an alcoholic " I had to conform to the boot of oppression, inorder to get my license back and get out of probation. what bothered me is often seeing some of the same people,lying.........one of them chaired meetings, I ran into him at the bar and he recognized me, asked me if I wanted to go do some lines too!! I said, no thanks bro, see you at AA !! he was a big time member and a sponsor. I never held it against the guy, and he was a bad drunk on top of it. but his higher power god apparently just did not work for him. of all those there at the meeting, the majority were there because the boot of oppression was on them, or they hit rock bottom and had no other options
theres no other way out of it, but conforming. we have turned into a money grubbing police state that is only interested in forcing its will upon its people.rather than helping them and understanding why they do use. too many people are forced into breaking the laws because the system is soo ridiculous monetarily and punishment wise.
through out the years I was often forced into classes and AA by authorities, because they happened to catch me drunk driving on a road. I was young and wild,knew no better or cared. sorry to say it. but the whole point is, I was forced into cooperation, and often when I would pull my views on religion, I was blasted for being wrong. having a desire to resolve licence issues and knowing "I was not an alcoholic " I had to conform to the boot of oppression, inorder to get my license back and get out of probation. what bothered me is often seeing some of the same people,lying.........one of them chaired meetings, I ran into him at the bar and he recognized me, asked me if I wanted to go do some lines too!! I said, no thanks bro, see you at AA !! he was a big time member and a sponsor. I never held it against the guy, and he was a bad drunk on top of it. but his higher power god apparently just did not work for him. of all those there at the meeting, the majority were there because the boot of oppression was on them, or they hit rock bottom and had no other options
theres no other way out of it, but conforming. we have turned into a money grubbing police state that is only interested in forcing its will upon its people.rather than helping them and understanding why they do use. too many people are forced into breaking the laws because the system is soo ridiculous monetarily and punishment wise.
Please point out where I actually insulted your religion. In fact you're having a knee-jerk reaction and inventing something I didn't really say.
My point: NA/AA, some groups do put pressure on you to believe a certain way.
Nothing else, don't understand how you're getting all this.
My point: NA/AA, some groups do put pressure on you to believe a certain way.
Nothing else, don't understand how you're getting all this.
I have never made light of any one's religious choices and I feel like if they chose to not believe in "anything" or everything, then it is their right. I just don't feel it is appropriate to use "god" as a scape-goat in order to not attend a meeting. No one says you have to fess-up, just realize that you are powerless to do this without some guts!, grit, or god, or just one of many "gods" people come up with. It doesn't matter, just to read abt. how funny you think it is or how insulting you think it is, doesn't make any diff. . Like I said, I found my God a long time ago, don't insult me cause I am Christian! It is my choice, go get your own!
Ella
Ella
I'm not an alcoholic, but I've been to quite a few AA meetings. Hence why I'm saying what I'm saying.
"Lighten up"......... thank you, that gave me a good laugh, haven't heard anyone say that since gosh I don't know maybe junior high? ........ I do need to go lighten up but oh maybe go to an AA meeting first. Thanks for the smile, have a great evening!
Well if you saw any of my prior postings, I've stated exactly that.
1. If AA/NA helps someone, great.
2. The founders of the group and many of their chapters think the way I said.
3. Not disrespecting anyone, and nothing was irresponsible. Lighten up.
1. If AA/NA helps someone, great.
2. The founders of the group and many of their chapters think the way I said.
3. Not disrespecting anyone, and nothing was irresponsible. Lighten up.
Here's my reaction, and no need for you to go to an "anonymous meeting". Incredibly irresponsible responce on an addiction forum where these type of "groups" have saved many lives... If you don't chose to embrace the NA/AA philosophy, that is absolutely your decision, however, please don't disrespect or discourage others from your personal view point.
The "Higher Power can be anything" argument is a ruse in many AA, NA and other places. They say that, but want you to believe in their God. Look at the history of AA, the founders wanted it as God and were devout Christians. You can be made to feel like an outsider if your Higher Power isn't acceptable to them.
If I ever went to an Anonymous group I'd say my higher power was Satan just to see the reaction.
If I ever went to an Anonymous group I'd say my higher power was Satan just to see the reaction.
For me, GaGuy said exactly what I also believe to be so hard in recovery and that is wanting to be in control...... it is normally (I am not saying for you) but most when they have lost all control of their addiction is when they start looking for help and getting serious being sober/clean, yet still wanting to be "in control". I wish that were an option and it were that easy.
NA/AA is based on believing in a higher power, not related to any religion, merely accepting you are powerless over your addiction, or you would still be using recreationally and in complete "control" of your life.
I attend Al Anon and do not believe in religion one iota........ unlike others I will not berate or debate you on the correct God because I do not think it is that simple. And quite frankly what or whom I believe to be my higher power is no one's business and I have never felt judged by my beliefs in any meeting I have attended,
My daughter is in NA/AA she is agnostic, but has surrendered to a higher power and as of today is 150 days sober and working on her 4Th step...... I have attended meetings with her as well and no one has judged either of us, or tried to "save our souls".
It may take you several meetings but I do promise you will find one where you don't feel like you are in a tent revival gathering. Please reach deep inside and understand what the control issue is that you are struggling with while on your road to sobriety.
My best wishes and thoughts to you.......
NA/AA is based on believing in a higher power, not related to any religion, merely accepting you are powerless over your addiction, or you would still be using recreationally and in complete "control" of your life.
I attend Al Anon and do not believe in religion one iota........ unlike others I will not berate or debate you on the correct God because I do not think it is that simple. And quite frankly what or whom I believe to be my higher power is no one's business and I have never felt judged by my beliefs in any meeting I have attended,
My daughter is in NA/AA she is agnostic, but has surrendered to a higher power and as of today is 150 days sober and working on her 4Th step...... I have attended meetings with her as well and no one has judged either of us, or tried to "save our souls".
It may take you several meetings but I do promise you will find one where you don't feel like you are in a tent revival gathering. Please reach deep inside and understand what the control issue is that you are struggling with while on your road to sobriety.
My best wishes and thoughts to you.......
I was told that the definition of God is "Good orderly direction". God takes on any role you wish to give it. I know one person who uses "love" as her higher power. Others use the power of the group. The higher power will come to you as you work the program and the steps. I'm actually more concerned over your inability to give over control. Powerlessness cannot come with control. Total surrender is the key to long term sobriety. Believing you have even an ounce of control is denial at it's very core. It's something I struggle with as well.
You only need to define your Higher Power. Some of us define that as God, others as something else. The reason I say "define" is because you already have higher powers in your life, you're just focusing on the standard religious definition.I encourage you to think outside of the box.
For example: When the "blue lights" show up in your rear view mirror, you pull over, right? Even if you don't want to? The cops are a higher power. So is the IRS, for those of us who don't enjoy paying taxes.
But a higher power, one that's loving and caring, is what I'm suggesting you define. NA says "the right to a god of your own understanding is total and with out any catches. (Basic Text)
In addition to loving and caring, I needed my Higher Power to be forgiving, all knowing, compassionate. The point is, this is god to MY understanding, not any one elses in the meeting the church, or anywhere. I get to pick, and the cool thing is, the definition changes as my need for my Higher Power changes. Thats why a group of people in recovery can be your higher power--they are loving and caring, and thats a good start.
For example: When the "blue lights" show up in your rear view mirror, you pull over, right? Even if you don't want to? The cops are a higher power. So is the IRS, for those of us who don't enjoy paying taxes.
But a higher power, one that's loving and caring, is what I'm suggesting you define. NA says "the right to a god of your own understanding is total and with out any catches. (Basic Text)
In addition to loving and caring, I needed my Higher Power to be forgiving, all knowing, compassionate. The point is, this is god to MY understanding, not any one elses in the meeting the church, or anywhere. I get to pick, and the cool thing is, the definition changes as my need for my Higher Power changes. Thats why a group of people in recovery can be your higher power--they are loving and caring, and thats a good start.
You can try SMART. They're fairly secular and don't have a focus on lack of power. Many Atheists find it a more comfortable setting.
The drawback is it's much harder to find a meeting/ group, due to their smaller organizational size.
they do, however, offer on-line meetings regularly, if that works for you.
I attended them on and off for a few months when I stopped, myself. Nice people. :-)
The drawback is it's much harder to find a meeting/ group, due to their smaller organizational size.
they do, however, offer on-line meetings regularly, if that works for you.
I attended them on and off for a few months when I stopped, myself. Nice people. :-)
Thanks worried....I am wanting to believe your words, especially about the higher power being a part of me and what wants to make me quit. I am going to keep focusing on this and hopefully get enough strength to go to a meeting where I think I would really find the support I need.
mine is within myself..I also have my releigion and some turn to their religion for comfort and strength..i turn to myself...i always have...there is a power in each person on this earth that lurks underneath..some never do the work to find this power...but it is there..it is what is making u want to quit..it is ur inner self//a collection of ur morals and beliefs that have been there probably since childhood..it is part of you
Most addicts are control freaks..tis a personality trait...i learned this at a meeting..9 people there and 8 described themselves as overacheivers..people who like to be in control...so join the crowd! lol col....but ur control and sense of self can pull u outa this as well...hang tight
Most addicts are control freaks..tis a personality trait...i learned this at a meeting..9 people there and 8 described themselves as overacheivers..people who like to be in control...so join the crowd! lol col....but ur control and sense of self can pull u outa this as well...hang tight
I'm sorry Ella I'm not sure what I may have said that was disrespectful. That certainly was not my intention. I thought God was a part of recovery and do not see what I am doing wrong. I am only speaking about my own beliefs and experiences and I am not judging anyone elses nor would I ever. I do not see how I am "ranting" on God so I want to be clear about that please.
I don't rant on Buda or Mohamed or any other religion. I got my God a long time ago and I don't need no other God but the one I believe in. No, I don't pray to these others, don't need to. I also know enough to have respect for these others who do believe in the worship of their own god in their own way, and I sure don't slander Him by dragging his name on posts that are suposed to be abt. addiction and recovery. Don't care who you are, have some respect for people out here who have respect for you.
I really appreciate all of your feedback. I am going to try to focus on figuring out my higher power and what that means to me. It's a very hard thing for me, to release control. I'd love to hear what higher power means to any of you.
You are indeed the one in control......and you need the "higher power" of your understanding to fly co-pilot on your recovery..... and perhaps take over the controls for a short if it is ever required........Your Higher Power is something bigger than yourself that you may lean on and consult and integrate with ....... and it can indeed be spiritually within yourself.......just realize that those other more strictly secular people havent followed your thoughts yet ....... they are trying to follow the higher power of their understanding........count yourself lucky that you didnt get involved with a bunch of snake handlers or something......it can always get worse... your contributions should be welcome by any intelligent people......
Have I ever been to a meeting? Yes, I started NA/AA in 1987. My sponsor does not believe in "GOD" as we wish to call him but has been in the fellowship for 21+ years.
I think that is my problem - I cannot relate to a recovery in which I am not in control. I believe I am the one in control which is part of the reason I am conflicted about this.
That's because the people who do believe in God are in the majority so there is no discomfort to fear of. Being in the minority can be hard especially when you are seeking to connect with others. I find for me it is often a struggle to connect because the recovered people I meet so often refer to their faith in God, etc.
I understand what you guys are saying about what it is based on, what I am saying is the reality of the actual meetings. have you guys ever been to a meeting? Do you find people of all beliefs there?
I think I may have to find faith in people and like theeagle is saying just hope for tolerance. I'm just scared and it holds me back from attending.
I understand what you guys are saying about what it is based on, what I am saying is the reality of the actual meetings. have you guys ever been to a meeting? Do you find people of all beliefs there?
I think I may have to find faith in people and like theeagle is saying just hope for tolerance. I'm just scared and it holds me back from attending.
Is is a "GOD of your understanding". It could be a chair or a door knob. The principal is to turn your will and your life over to a power greater than yourself. Essentially it is saying that you should not have control. Your best thinking got you here so you need to believe in something greater than yourself...which will restore you to sanity.
I know that sounds very technical and probably does not make sense. I invite you to at least go to na.org and read the steps. Perhaps that would better explain it.
I too am not religious.
I know that sounds very technical and probably does not make sense. I invite you to at least go to na.org and read the steps. Perhaps that would better explain it.
I too am not religious.
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