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2 day cure on 10 mg Celexa?
My friend's wife (call her Z) has always been a hot tempered person, every day of the 10 years of his arranged marriage, which occurred the day she arrived on the plane. She comes from a family of similar nature, fwiw, and they believe it is some genetic trait. Her aunt told her last week that she must get help or she will die (her uncle died during an angry outburst.) Aunt said she got help from meds to help her stop being angry all the time, otherwise death was imminent for her too.
Z is facing possible perjury charges after a court hearing in a few months because she initially lied and said her hubby assaulted her, but later recanted. She has been under lots of family pressure to rectify her original statement so recanted as I said.
Z and hubby went to the doc on Friday and stated how upset she was with life and doc wrote a script for Celexa 20s. 2 days later Z claims Celexa gave her the miracle cure - no headaches, loves to get up in the morning and eat a big meal, not angry with the kids or hubby at all. She has been taking 10s all week per doc's orders to allow her body to get accustomed before going to what is a normal starter dose of 20s. Ever since the "cure" hit her, Z has been feeling great. I told hubby she is experiencing placebo effect since it is both too early and too little drug to get any benefit.
Z doesn't speak English and is illiterate in her own language so doesn't have much background to draw from. Hubby interprets for her to the doctor, fwiw. Does anyone think Celexa could be helping or is it placebo as I told him? I told him when he updates doc to ask that she stay on 10s for a while to see if her happy change lasts.
Z is facing possible perjury charges after a court hearing in a few months because she initially lied and said her hubby assaulted her, but later recanted. She has been under lots of family pressure to rectify her original statement so recanted as I said.
Z and hubby went to the doc on Friday and stated how upset she was with life and doc wrote a script for Celexa 20s. 2 days later Z claims Celexa gave her the miracle cure - no headaches, loves to get up in the morning and eat a big meal, not angry with the kids or hubby at all. She has been taking 10s all week per doc's orders to allow her body to get accustomed before going to what is a normal starter dose of 20s. Ever since the "cure" hit her, Z has been feeling great. I told hubby she is experiencing placebo effect since it is both too early and too little drug to get any benefit.
Z doesn't speak English and is illiterate in her own language so doesn't have much background to draw from. Hubby interprets for her to the doctor, fwiw. Does anyone think Celexa could be helping or is it placebo as I told him? I told him when he updates doc to ask that she stay on 10s for a while to see if her happy change lasts.
Sounds like a terribly unfortunate situation, I agree it doesn't sound like he'll probably ever really change his situation, which is so sad. He's lucky to have a good friend in you, all you can do is try to support him the best you can, and try to get him out when you can to get his mind off of his crappy situation. Take care!
I was their volunteer contact when they came to my country 7 years ago so know them very well. She refused to learn English but this is his 6th language so he worked hard because he knew he had to get a job. Unfortunately he can never better himself because he is too busy working at his security job. He has a 25 year old Masters of Engineering (never worked in the field so useless now) so is capable of learning something.
He is frightened of his own shadow so won't take my advice to call the Distress Center for help dealing with his abusive situation - It is easier with his Muslim culture background for him to pretend that a man can't be abused . Classic.
He said years ago that he has no life other than working and trying to sleep in prep for working. I restrict myself to telling him where professional help comes from and ask him to consider why he does all this work and never gets a chance to see his kids - That way he can't totally fool himself although he has lots of excuses like saying in the Canadian court system a man never stands a chance of winning a domestic battle.
He is frightened of his own shadow so won't take my advice to call the Distress Center for help dealing with his abusive situation - It is easier with his Muslim culture background for him to pretend that a man can't be abused . Classic.
He said years ago that he has no life other than working and trying to sleep in prep for working. I restrict myself to telling him where professional help comes from and ask him to consider why he does all this work and never gets a chance to see his kids - That way he can't totally fool himself although he has lots of excuses like saying in the Canadian court system a man never stands a chance of winning a domestic battle.
Sounds like a very volatile and unhealthy situation.
I'm not sure how you know these people, but some friendly advice...be VERY careful about getting overly involved in this kind of situation. It rarely ends well, and usually the innocent bystander just trying to help either ends up dragged INTO the situation, or ends up somehow being the bad guy.
Sounds like you may be friends with the man in this situation. If so, I would just recommend supporting him from a listening standpoint, don't offer opinions or too much specific advice. Be a shoulder to cry on and an ear to lend, but not much more. Obviously, if there is some kind of danger aspect, either for him or the children, you kind of have an obligation to report that. It sounds like several law enforcement agencies are already well aware of the situation and actively trying to resolve it (which is good). Let's hope she gets the help she needs, if for anyone, for the kids' sake, as they're in a bad environment. A lot of men (most even) in abusive relationships will not seek help, due to the "manly" factor. It's very unfortunate, but it is definitely a big obstacle. Certainly encourage him to seek out professional help for himself and the kids. Definitely the kids, but he could benefit from some therapy as well.
I feel badly for this guy, he sounds like he's in over his head, but again, tread VERY carefully as to the extent and HOW you're involved in this mess.
Sure hope that things improve for him and those kids! Take care!
I'm not sure how you know these people, but some friendly advice...be VERY careful about getting overly involved in this kind of situation. It rarely ends well, and usually the innocent bystander just trying to help either ends up dragged INTO the situation, or ends up somehow being the bad guy.
Sounds like you may be friends with the man in this situation. If so, I would just recommend supporting him from a listening standpoint, don't offer opinions or too much specific advice. Be a shoulder to cry on and an ear to lend, but not much more. Obviously, if there is some kind of danger aspect, either for him or the children, you kind of have an obligation to report that. It sounds like several law enforcement agencies are already well aware of the situation and actively trying to resolve it (which is good). Let's hope she gets the help she needs, if for anyone, for the kids' sake, as they're in a bad environment. A lot of men (most even) in abusive relationships will not seek help, due to the "manly" factor. It's very unfortunate, but it is definitely a big obstacle. Certainly encourage him to seek out professional help for himself and the kids. Definitely the kids, but he could benefit from some therapy as well.
I feel badly for this guy, he sounds like he's in over his head, but again, tread VERY carefully as to the extent and HOW you're involved in this mess.
Sure hope that things improve for him and those kids! Take care!
They see doc on Friday because hubby showed a social worker 5 past videos .of her wild temper screaming in front of the kids and he told me the sw talked to her doc last week. In 3 of those she is walking back and forth from the shoe box toward him - She has a knife in one hand and is throwing shoes at him with the other. Doc had already scheduled a counselling appointment for Z but now will be looking for a psychiatrist.
Z may face perjury charges so that coupled with her fears of dying from anger seems to have calmed her down. Yes, she is manipulative because her tears in court about the "assault" problem she created are just fears about what the judge might do to her. It has been 9 days of calm now, which are the only days she has ever been calm since he met her. Since she is illiterate perhaps some of the problem is a bad family upbringing coupled with a weak background ability to know anything better. She can't go to the library and read about how normal people behave so is reliant on other people to tell her. Her only friend who is not fit to raise her own children.
Big problem is she abuses him but he is unwilling to get help. He works 60 hours every week at $14 / hour to make ends meet for the family. 7 AM - 3 pm Monday to Friday and 8PM to 6Am on Friday and Sat. He doesn't work Sunday because he has to switch his body back to days on Monday. So he does a complete clock circle every single week which no one can do forever.
She spends all her money on herself including flying to Afghanistan for a month vacation this month. He had to pay $3,200 to the lawyer to fight her false claim. He keeps making up excuses to delay doing anything about the abuse. He says he can't anger her before the Oct court appearance because she might go back to her original claim that he assaulted her. He is a classic abuse victim looking for ways to appease the abuser.
My pharmacist said some people claim to get partial effect after a week on Celexa and I got some relief myself around day 8, but it was so long ago that I can't remember if I started out straight on 20s or took 10 for the first week. All I can remember is I started cutting my Ativan use down around day 8 because I didn't need it until later and later in the day until around day 21 I almost never used it and at 28 I was off Ativan.
Z may face perjury charges so that coupled with her fears of dying from anger seems to have calmed her down. Yes, she is manipulative because her tears in court about the "assault" problem she created are just fears about what the judge might do to her. It has been 9 days of calm now, which are the only days she has ever been calm since he met her. Since she is illiterate perhaps some of the problem is a bad family upbringing coupled with a weak background ability to know anything better. She can't go to the library and read about how normal people behave so is reliant on other people to tell her. Her only friend who is not fit to raise her own children.
Big problem is she abuses him but he is unwilling to get help. He works 60 hours every week at $14 / hour to make ends meet for the family. 7 AM - 3 pm Monday to Friday and 8PM to 6Am on Friday and Sat. He doesn't work Sunday because he has to switch his body back to days on Monday. So he does a complete clock circle every single week which no one can do forever.
She spends all her money on herself including flying to Afghanistan for a month vacation this month. He had to pay $3,200 to the lawyer to fight her false claim. He keeps making up excuses to delay doing anything about the abuse. He says he can't anger her before the Oct court appearance because she might go back to her original claim that he assaulted her. He is a classic abuse victim looking for ways to appease the abuser.
My pharmacist said some people claim to get partial effect after a week on Celexa and I got some relief myself around day 8, but it was so long ago that I can't remember if I started out straight on 20s or took 10 for the first week. All I can remember is I started cutting my Ativan use down around day 8 because I didn't need it until later and later in the day until around day 21 I almost never used it and at 28 I was off Ativan.
Well, some people DO notice some changes early on, but the Celexa is nowhere near reaching therapeutic levels to determine its overall effectiveness. It takes 4-6 weeks for a person to adjust to this kind of med and be able to assess if it's helping or not.
From what you said about Z, I would be suspicious that she's pulling someone's leg, pretending to be "all better" after just two pills. It doesn't work that way. Even if a person does well on meds, they aren't a "cure". The underlying conditions (in her case, anger, etc) still needs addressed.
From what you said about Z, I would be suspicious that she's pulling someone's leg, pretending to be "all better" after just two pills. It doesn't work that way. Even if a person does well on meds, they aren't a "cure". The underlying conditions (in her case, anger, etc) still needs addressed.
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