hepatitis b treatment

[snoopy_202189]

is drinking herbal medicine such as liqourice,dandelion or turmeric even phyllanthus can help clear hbsag?tnx

[stef2011]

only 2 biopsy one at 19yo and one in 2002, both showed low liver damage f1-f2, but from 2002 to 2009 i got to cirrohsis very fast (i believe reached f4 from 2005 since fibroscan is at 16kpa and cirrohsis starts from 12kpa)
fibroscan is much better than biopsy for severe liver damage there is much mistake according to the area when you take liver tissue, fibrosis is not the same in all liver.
my biopsy in 2002 might even be wrong and fibroscan is available from 2005 and maybe even before at research centers

first mistake by doctor, no fibroscan check, no ultrasound check yearly or every 6 months.
my having high alt flares and then very low or hbvdna und, almost normal alt between 25 and 40, hbe negative and hbeab positive from 19yo, looked like inactive or low damage patient to the doctors and very active immune system.
but all this is not always true and even if hbe negative before 30 yo has very slow or no damage usually, it is better to check deeply because this is not always true also

we know now that cirrohsis can be found even with normal alt and that inactive carrier must match the following:
hbs ag quantity below 500iu/ml, hbvdna from und to 10E5, alt below 30, liver damage f0-f1
inactive carrier is not forever and can become active anytime, also alt must be checked every 3 months to be sure they don't move higher than 30 from time to time

second mistake, and this was my mistake, doctor said don't worry we have about 5 years before liver damage gets serious, let's wait for antivirals without resistance.
i saw doctor again in 2007 but again he said just keep monitoring alt every 6 months.
i always checked alt yearly if not less, i didn't want to try interferon before because i saw its sides on my mother and sister.

very busy life working and traveling all the time, so absolutely not a healthy life for a hbv carrier and food at reastaurants not healthy enough for a hbv carrier

so you must have a very good doctor, make a lot of tests (better too many tests instead of few incomplete tests), you must have some knowledge of your illness and worry about your condition so that you can understand if doctor makes mistakes or is not good enough for you

cirrohsis is not dangerous if well compensated now since it can be reversed by a couple of years by hbvdna complitely und and alt below 30 or less.
But cirrohsis is very dangerous because liver cancer rates are much higher, so it is much better to stop at liver damage f2 and monitor closely only real inactive hbv and keep hbvdna und not 10E3

hope this can help others not to make my mistakes

[concerned811]

Hi Stefano,

Good details on what you have been following.

you mentioned "unfortunately i trusted the wrong doctors and they made this mess, so now i am trying to made what possibe to recover from this level of damage "

it would be great if you could detail what mistakes were made...That would us in making sure we do not make the same mistakes

[stef2011]

so in general i concentrated on as many antioxidants as possible, of course within a balanced diet.
high oxidative stress, low zinc and low vitamin d has been found on most hbv livers (this state lower immune system), so you should test these and if low change them by diet or supplements.i added selenium because i had it low 100 too.

so this is good for liver and health in general

[stef2011]

i have cirrhosis stage so i don't take phillantus and liquorice (at vienna there is a study on phillantus but not enough data, it might help inactive carriers maybe)

daily:
i take 200mcg selenium from natural sources and check blood level to be between 130 and 150, in this range it is believed from trials to prevent liver cancer and boost immune system (which is the worst danger on cirrhosis since rigenerative nodules are present already), very strong antioxidant.blood check is very important because selenium is toxic higher than 150 and have opposite results

10-15 min sun to keep vitamin d higher than 50ng/ml, boost immune system

melatonin 20mg, as cancer prevention, it helps to sleep well and has been used as cancer therapy on some trials, it is used with cancer chemotherapy to boost it, it is strong antioxidant.melatonin is among the less toxic substances known

daily fresh fruit plus berry fruit, very strong antioxidant

bmi 24 by diet and exercise, plan to lower it to 22 as cancer prevention (high bmi is not good for all type of cancers)

all natural fresh food from country or mountains as much as possible, when not possible frozen.very little meat, no fats, no sweets, some cacao from time to time.

omega 3 from fish oil, soia dressings, green tea, lot of coffe with fresh milk at breakfast

zinc from natural sources and blood test but only to reach a blood level of 800-900 (range 600-1200, i found to have 600)

nuts for minerals (i have found low blood fosforo)

probiotics to prevent mild diarrea from alinia, but it was already part of my diet

therapy entecavir 0,5mg, alinia 500mg every 12 hours with food

maybe i woke up too late because i reached cirrohsis state and cancer is the only big danger now because cirrhosis is nothing to worry about, it is well compensated and will regress in a couple of years.
unfortunately i trusted the wrong doctors and they made this mess, so now i am trying to made what possibe to recover from this level of damage

[hopeful_optimist]

What should we eat and drink?

[FLOATING106]

we will try everthing just to cure this i did try liver flushing and zapper but only small amount drop from the number but inform us if that medicine works on you we are open also for that

[stef2011]

liqourice root extract has been found to suppress hbsag but it is also toxic for liver, i have not found the quantity which is not toxic to be used and the lovel of hbsag inibition so i never used it.of course this is not a cure and maybe it helps maybe not

low cholesterol can help have a lower hbsag too (since hbsag is made of cholesterol) and there are studies that low cholesterol can lower antigens of viruses like hbv, hiv herpes and so on but this is not a cure but low cholesterol is good anyway

vitamin D boost immune system on all viral infections and cancer, suplements are given on hiv, hbv,hcv and cancer when value is lower than 50ng/ml (>100ng/ml can be toxic and not curative).this boost immune system but does not cure

melatonin boost immune system and prevents liver cancer, trial for liver cancer are ongoing at 20mg per day doses

selenium prevents liver cancer and boost immune system, high levels are very toxic so during supplements it must be controlled by blood test

so in general a healthy diet and life style is what helps but not cure, natural diet is better than supplements

[gav177]

Herbal medicine is not a cure it can helps but it is not the answer to cure the Hepatitis B.