hr,jmjm/all ?about suppliment

[kcrandy]

i was wondering if anyone has heard of a supp i believe is called mms.  i was told that it has good response for those with hepc and keeping the virus at bay.  i asked what the contents are of this and was told by the doctor who believes in this product that it contains 28% sodium chloride and 78% saline, water i believe.  was told that there is good response to this tx for those in third world countries and that the pharm are fighting the test of this tx because it works.  i am curious what you all think. since i was a good responder on my first tx and relapsed should i look into this suppl or should i just wait for the new drugs to come along.
thanks you all.  :O)

[merryBe]

liver disease mean watch your sodium intake, don't add to it.

MMS is only mentioned on quack sites, which should be a tip off.

and if you meant MSM by chance, that is just micronized sulfur...not good except for those deficiciant in sulfur, sulfur can cause severe allergic reaction.

[fretboard]

That MSM site is totally bunk!  Just look at it closely, somebody is gonna get really screwed up using that stuff.  I agree with merryBe on this one, total quackery in it's lowest form.  God Bless

[kcrandy]

i was thinking along the same lines as you all are i was seeing if this MSM drops were even heard of.  i supposedly spoke to the dr of the web site on the phone and when i started asking more detailed questions she kept trying to leed me to her web site instead of answering tech questions about the drug.  thank you for the input i can only hope that all who seek suppl tx do intense research b4 taking that route of tx.

for those who probably want to flame for questioning supp tx, please do not misunderstand what i am saying.  i belive supp work.  they are a raw form of natural ingrediants that in some cases are test marketed and studied and eventually made into drugs we take today for various ailments.  all i am saying is for the uninformed please do your homework b4 taking any drug, supp, etc.

as for me i am still awaiting the pro-tease inhib  tx to become available and take my second attempt at svr with, i pray,  SVR results :O)

you all are in  my prayers .    :O) :O) :O) :O)

[rken]

I have not used MMS for Hep C as I dont have it. a friend of mine does and I'm doing some research for him. I have used MMS (Not MSM) and it is sodium chlorite with a T and not a D. I got dengue fever and took 15 drop two times about an hr apart. Within 1 hr 60% of my symtoms were gone and they were totally gone within 24 hrs. A friend of mine had the same response. If you don't know anything about dengue then just imagine the worst flu you have ever had times 2 and lasting for about 10-14 days. doctors can do nothing but let it run its course and give you pain meds. Not sure about if it will work for hep c. I have seen some posts that say they were cured on other forum. I took it prior to getting dengue also just to see what it does and to check it out for my wife who had dengue at the time. It didn't arrive in time for her to use. I do not have any major health problems. I took it for two weeks and found some unexpected result. One my life long dandruff is gone and so is the itching. Somekind of growth on my arm has gone down in size. Some friends think it is Cancer not sure. never had it tested. Acid reflux has diapeared and I'm still waiting to get a herpes outbreak. I had one start while taking MSm but it was gone by the evening. Usually once they start they last about 7-10 days. So many its gone too. well best of luck to all of your Rick

[mremeet]

28% + 78% = 106%  You can't have over 100% of anything, unless your coach is figuratively urging you to "give it 110%!!" And sodium chloride is NaCl, more commonly known as table salt. And saline is salt water. So combine a bunch of salt with salt water and waddya got? REALLY salty water! And no, really salty water will not cure your HCV. It will not make you better. In fact, the blood coursing through your veins is already quite similar to sea water in composition. So if salt water worked at curing the virus, we'd never get infected with it in the first place!

[rken]

Its not Sodium chloride, MMS is sodium chlorite. When you activate it with citic acid to changes to chlorine dioxide. This is not clorine, two different animals. So what you say is true but this is not what is in MMS. MMs is sodium chlorite about 24%  and 4% sodium choride and about 72% distilled water. Manufacturers only make sodium chlorite about 80 pure with most of the balance being sodium chloride and a little sodium chlorate. Thanks for your information. Rick

[mremeet]

Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about rken. Sounds like you're trying to suggest that rcrandy's friend should take sodium chlorite to "cure" his/her hep c. That's hogwash, sodium chlorite will not cure hep C and I'd wager a hefty bet it won't cure dengue fever either. Sodium chlorite is related to sodium hypochlorite, which is BLEACH. Sodium chlorite is used as a bleaching agent in the industrialized production of paper. It's also used as a mouthwash ingredient. Are you suggesting that an industrial paper bleaching compound will cure hep C? Are you suggesting drinking mouthwash is going to cure hep C? Also, sodium chlorite is an oxidant, and as such it is potentially harmful to living cells. It's the opposite of an anti-oxidant. People take anti-oxidant supplements and eat foods naturally high in anti-oxidants to reduce the likelihood of developing cancer and to reduce the effects of aging. Are you suggesting they should start ingesting something that effectively does the opposite?

[rken]

Like I said I don't know if it will cure Hep C.
What I do know is that it is being used around the world and a lot of people are ingesting it as we speak. It is used in a lot water treatment plants to purify drinking water. I know that it is used with live stock to kill samonalla  and e coli in there intestines and has reduced these both in there lymph tissue. It has been tested in both humans and animals for toxicity.. I do know there is a patent for using it to clean blood donations of hepetitis and HIV and well as other virusus and bacteria. Another one for curing fungus nail infections .  I'm not suggesting anything. You how ever are suggesting that I'm lying about being cured of Dengue within 24 hrs.  So I'm not suggesting anyone do anything except investigate with an open mind to new possibilities,

Why are you being so confrontational. All the information I have posted is base on scientific studies or us patents. Except for my statements that myself and one other person I know was cured of Dengue fever in 24 hrs. I have links to all the information. I would be happy to provide if anyone wants them. Thanks Rick

[mremeet]

No, you don't know nor have any idea if it would cure hep C. So why are you responding to kcrandy's post basically insinuating it might cure hep C? You said "I have seen some posts that say they were cured on other forum" and you're trying to establish an analogy between hep C and dengue. There's no evidence of that whatsoever - NONE. This is a hep C forum, and kcrandy's friend has hep C, not dengue fever. And as to you having dengue fever, lets take a look at what you said:

"I took it prior to getting dengue also just to see what it does and to check it out for my wife who had dengue at the time. It didn't arrive in time for her to use. I took it for two weeks..."

and then...

"I got dengue fever and took 15 drop two times about an hr apart. Within 1 hr 60% of my symtoms were gone and they were totally gone within 24 hrs. A friend of mine had the same response."

I'm confused. If you took it before you got dengue fever, and it works as you claim, then why did you get dengue fever at all in the first place? And how can you be certain you had dengue fever at all? Maybe you just had a minor flu and it wasn't dengue? Same with your "friend" - he had dengue fever, but he just happened to have some sodium chlorite laying around beforehand and took some when he felt the 'ole dengue coming on? Boy that works out nicely huh? Your story is full of holes and inconsistencies and follows the usual anecdotal schpiel with "friends" and bogus cause and effect associations that we see so often on the internet.

"...it is being used around the world and a lot of people are ingesting it as we speak."

There's all kinds of harmful and useless substances that people ingest all over the world, all the time. That certaintly is no standard for establishing if something is suitable for curing hep C, or any other disease.

"It is used in a lot water treatment plants to purify drinking water."

So is bleach, and chlorine and alot of other poisonous substances. There's a long laundry list of biocidal substances that will kill viruses and bacteria - and yet if taken internally at sufficient concentrations, they will kill the host. If the concentration is lowered to sub-lethal levels, they become non-curative and pose long term serious health concerns (like cancer). This is the same tired old argument used for ozone, colloidal silver and a variety of other quackery scams. And also boiling drinking water safely kills bacteria and viruses. So does cooking food - does that mean we should cook ourselves in order to be cured of the virus? Using your logic, it DOES!

"Another one for curing fungus nail infections . I'm not suggesting anything."

Yes you are. You've registered and logged onto a hep C forum for the specific and exclusive purpose of suggesting that sodium chlorite might cure hep C. And you're stating directly that it did cure dengue fever in yourself and your "friend." You haven't provided any evidence of that whatsoever, and the reason you haven't done so is because none exists (other than your anecdotal baloney).

"You how ever are suggesting that I'm lying about being cured of Dengue within 24 hrs."

I'm not suggesting that you're lying. I don't know you at all. But here on this forum we get a lot of scammers drifting in and out all the time with stories (and profiles) very similar to yours. We also get honest, but misguided people who think they know something about non-conventional "medicine" that they really don't. Not always easy to distiniguish between the two, and frankly I don't really care in which category you fall. The bottom line is that MMC will not cure hep c, and ingesting sodium chlorite could possibly seriously injure someone by flooding their body with oxidizing agents.

"All the information I have posted is base on scientific studies or us patents."

Sure it is. And MMC is good for what ails you isnt't rken? It cured that cancerous growth on your arm (that you're not worried about), cured your dandruff, cured your acid reflux, cured your dengue fever and even cured your herpes (and yet you claim "I do not have any major health problems"). Do you know what snake oil salesman always say rken? What you say sounds just like what they say.

"I have links to all the information. I would be happy to provide if anyone wants them."

Oh I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you'd liked to be asked for those links wouldn't you?

[rken]

I orignaly come to this site doing reseach for a friend of mine who has Hep c. My question to the membership which at this time I have not recieve one answer. While here I seached mms to see if any one had taken MMs and did it work for them. I stopped taking MMS after taking for 2 weeks as recommened in the protocal. i never said it was a prophalactic against anything. It was after that I got dengue. as far as dengue goes there is an epidemic of it thailand right now. right after  my wife got it, our friends daughter got it then our friend and then me. While at the hospital my wife mentioned the fact that I  had MMS and upon getting symtoms she came to my house to use some o the MMS I had on hand. 5 other people in our immediate area have gotten it. I'm sure based on the symtoms she and I had dengue. As for my wife and the daughter they were diagnosed in the hospital.

I have read of many cures for hep c using MMS and its being used today by doctors for this purpose. I personaly don't know of anyone it has cured. I no of a lot of people who have used it and there not dead. it hasn't killed one person. wish i could say the same for some other treatments.

I brought up the water treatment issue to show that it has been tested for toxicity. If you research its use in that one area you'll find that its a lot safer than any other chemical being used to purify drinking water. Chlorine interacts with other chemicals and produces carcinogins. chlorine dioxide doesn't. Most of India is switching to it in there water supplies for this very reason.

Chlorine as you say as far as i know is not a cure for fungal infections. Studies however do show that chlorine dioxide does after only 3 to 5 treatments of 1 hr.

I never said the thing on my arm was cancer. never had it checked. I never said that it cured my herpes. I said it was a wait and see thing.

Studies with animals say that it does not harm intestinal flora. Other studies show that it is non reactive to healthy body cells. You are obviously well intentioned looking out for your friends. I can appreciate that. but your friend is the one who asked. i did not start the post. I just responded with my experience using MMS. So shoot me and call me a snake oil salesman. I has no commercial interests in MMS. I bought the chemical and mixed it myself per directions. I have not made any profits from the sale of MMS. It cost me about 3usd for a 4oz bottle that will last me about a year. That is until all the Thai's find out that it cures dengue. then it might be only a week or two.

I don't care if you ask for the links or not. I just want to back up my posts with facts if necessary.

I don't care if you ever use MMS. In fact just the opposite.

Now I will share my question with you that I came to ask as it relates to my friend with Hep C. As soon I get an answer I will dissapear from this site never to be heard from again. more than just one I would hope. So here goes. Your can check the time on my post and and the time I posted the question.

How soon are most people tested after starting tx and do there lft numbers usualy go up the 1st week or two. I was wonder if not why. It seems like they would go up to start with because treatment results in the death of infected liver cells. It seems this would raise the LFT levels in the beginning. Thanks Rick

Good luck to you all on your treatment program. As far I'm concerned You need not reply to this post as I will not reply to yours. you have accused me of lying and being a snake oil sales man. I think its called flaming.

[nygirl7]

"I have read of many cures for hep c using MMS and its being used today by doctors for this purpose"

Same bridge for sale - different day - I personally work at the company that owns the Cuisinart brand - anybody wanna buy a juicer, cheap?

Thanks Meet for protecting the chicklets from yet again just another "Juicer".

[portann]

i can see quite a heated dispute in progress here but sadly, I am too tired to follow the myriad details of the discussion. it did somehow stir up memories of the controversial issues in that marvelous post-modern novel The Calcutta Chromosome by Amitav Gosh.

Interestingly and with no intended bias or consideration of bleach's toxicity to the human body, I noticed that Dr. Dietrich posted the following response about bleach recently:

"I inherited some of my aunts pierced earrings, she had Hepatitis C. Will soaking them in alcohol kill all the germs from her illness? How long should I soak them?
Doctor's Answer
by Douglas Dieterich, MD
Douglas Dieterich, MD  
Male
New York  
Aug 04, 2008 07:46AM
To: all
Agree. Bleach is the best antiviral there is!


So just maybe bleach in the tiniest dose is a cheap alternative to killing viruses if it doesn't kill you as well. Read the Calcutta Chromosome before expressing a dogmatic belief in one system or another. That said, I personally opted for expensive Western medical treatment but am not deluded into self-righteousness about it, knowing how short it falls in most cases.

[HCA]

mre meet is correct insofar as anecdotal quack stuff lowers the level of debate on this forum.
Serious students of HVC have little patience for such posts and those who apprear to advocate panaceas are going to get short shrift-it is flaming but the integrity of the forum has to be maintained.
I haven't even bothered to reaearch this product (there's an opening for you!) but the suggestion in the very first post that the pharmas are trying to suppress research 'because it works' places it firmly in quacksville.
Colloidal silver anyone?

[mremeet]

Funny, first you say "Not sure about if it will work for hep c. I have seen some posts that say they were cured on other forum." Then when challenged you say "Like I said I don't know if it will cure Hep C." Then when challenged again you suddenly come out with "I have read of many cures for hep c using MMS and its being used today by doctors for this purpose." So you go from the humble and self deprecating "gosh, dont know nuthin bout this stuff, all's I knows is that it helped me" to the forthright and authoritative "Oh yes, it is used to treat and cure many people with hepatitis C!" I guess if I keep challenging you on how it cured your herpes, dandruff, skin cancer, gastric reflux and dengue, you'll suddenly become a lot more certain of its efficacy and start "remembering facts" that support your "it's good for what ails ya" claims, huh?? lol  

And if you already know MMS cures hep C, then what are you doing here? Don't you remember you said you were researching HCV for your friend? Sounds like your research is over. You're obviously here to sell either a product and/or an idea, you're obviously not researching anything. Research means asking questions, not making statements. And since you've already discovered the $3 cure for HCV, herpes, dandruff, denge, gastric reflux, skin cancer (and I'm sure many other things), why hasn't your friend already been cured of HCV? Haven't you given him this MMS yet? What are you waiting for?

I'll let the others make the call on your big pharma/9-11 conspiracy theories. But I think it's pretty clear at this point what you're all about. ;-)

[mremeet]

"So just maybe bleach in the tiniest dose is a cheap alternative to killing viruses if it doesn't kill you as well."

Portann Dr D was quite obviously ONLY referring to disinfecting jewelry externally to the human body using bleach. His statement in NO way, shape or form endorses the notion that orally or intravenously ingesting bleach will cure you of hep C. And if you believe it will, then why don't you ask him? And if you think disinfectants and biocides that are used to disinfect objects that may come into contact with human beings means that it can be ingested internally for a similar effect, then why not drink ammonia? Mr Clean? Pine Sol? How about eating Dial soap? Put some bacitracin ointment on your cheerios in the morning? I mean, is it just me or does this really need to be explained like this??? LOL

"That said, I personally opted for expensive Western medical treatment but am not deluded into self-righteousness about it, knowing how short it falls in most cases."

Well, you might want to work a little harder at not being deluded and work a little less hard at worrying about being perceived as a self righteous westerner.

[alagirl]

he's being "so confrontational" because we hate it when shills for bogus and potentially dangerous products come to health websites in an effort to mislead members who are seeking treatment.

He's being "so confrontational" because we fear that perhaps newer and less knowledgeable members could be swayed by the bs of fraudsters like you if we don't, in very strong terms, point out just how much horse puckey your claims are and how bogus your product is so they won't waste their time sending money to a con artist ou instead of investing their time and energy in a treatment that does have a good chance of curing them.

You have been on this website for less than ONE day and you've spent it peddling your fraudlulent cure for hepatitis c.  In fact, every post you've made has been in effort to peddle this ridiculous product and line your pockets.  I'm sure its the only reason you bothered to sign up for an account.

Your claims have nothing to do with medicine, no basis in fact, and no studies to support them.  We get folks like you through all the time who have no conscience and who would do anything to make money off of people who are seeking legitimate answers to their serious health concerns.  When it happens, we have a responsibility to make sure that all of our members our protected, even those who may be newer and may have less ability to spot all of the con artists trying to prey on their disease, and a certain responsibility to ensure, to the extent that it is possible to do so, that false and potentially harmful claims and information are debunked in the strongest terms possible.  

Go peddle it somewhere else.

[alagirl]

And JUST in case someone reading the statistics above thinks they're true, they're NOT.  That's just poisoning the well from someone who has no conscience, and does not, in fact, even have hepatitis c.

Most of you already know this, so please ignore this post.  but if someone new comes along, I don't want you to think that people only reach SVR and maintain it 15% of the time.  That's just more BS from this guy who wants to make money off of you and play with your life while your disease progresses, and I would hate for you to become discouraged by a lie that someone told in order to try to make money off of people who are sick.

You only have to read the stories of people on this website to see how many people of all genotypes are treating successfully and maintaining SVR.  Pull the archives to see the announcements of all the people who sign in to update everyone on their continued SVR.  

Right now, successful FIRST time treatment with today's protocols is 45% to 80% dependent upon genotype.  And that's LASTING treatment, not relapse.  In fact, there are studies to show that maintained for a year, successful treatment is permanent 99% of the time.  And its unknown whether that other 1% is actual relapse, or perhaps a new infection.  Of the people who aren't successful the first time, many succeed after treating with a stronger dose, longer treatment time, or by adding a different medical drug to the treatment milieu.  There are only a small number of treatment drugs available, and ALL of them are used in conjection with interferon.  Interferon is a difficult drug on the body, but right now its the one that works in conjuction with the other drugs, so you should be suspicious when people try to sell you on anything that doesn't involve interferon.  

[alagirl]

I have no idea why you're asking this question, but on the slim chance that you actually have a friend who is using a legitimate tx for hep c, I'll tell you this so you don't try to talk him into stopping tx just because his enzymes went up.

Liver enzymes go all over the place, up, down.  They go up in response to the liver feeling threatened or fragile, but sometimes you never know why.  It doesn't have anything to do with the success of treatment though - people do experience up and down shifts of their enzymes during treatment - my enzymes went up about a month and a half after I started treatment and stayed up througout, probably because I had a lot of blood transfusions - which is not a normal response to treatment, I had pre-existing condition.  After a successful treatment liver enzymes will almost always come down and normalize because the liver is healthier.  That is, unless there is some other factor stressing the liver such as drinking alcohol or adding some other toxin to the liver.  High levels of iron in the blood can cause high liver enzymes.  There are some herbs that are toxic for the liver and they will raise enzymes.  In fact, the universities that have liver dialysis machines have had to use them more often in the attempt to save the lives of people who have shut down their liver taking certain herbal supplements than from people who have had liver failure from prescription medications.  Thats not saying all supplements are toxic, but a person with hep c just needs to run any herbs, supplements and prescription medications by their liver doctor before taking them.

But your friend's viral load is the most important test he takes during treatment.  If he hasn't had a two log drop by his twelth week of treatment its generally considered that he isn't responding well to treatment.   A patient who registers no viral load by their fourth week of treatment is considered to have a truly excellent chance at a cure.

[rken]

Thank you very much for your response. This is exactly the reason I came to this site. Quite the opposite i want him to continue his treatment. I am not connected to any internet site selling MMS. You can look at my other post and the time it was posted about 2 hrs prior to my first post on this site.

I do feel howevery that MMS works for some things. Not all as some of the proponets of MMS would have you believe. I was only responding to the question posted as honestly as I could. I can give you links to jacks post on other forums asking the same question. I wanted to ask the doctor but they are not accepting question. if you could direct people to my question it might go a long way in helping Jack. Thanks once again. link below. Then I can just go away and never be heard from again.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/603404

[CanaryParker]

Butting in again....

I have a friend who has been against my advice...taking MMS...and another who tried it and got very sick and quit.
And they followed the instructions to the letter, dropped dosages when getting so sick...bad bad runs, nausia...always smelling that chlorinated swimmingpool odor...

BAD STUFF....like going back in time... taking mercury for syphilus/sp  and other ills..and one day...treatments for diseases of today will look barbaric and ignorant too.

This person..upon checking out this MMS stuff as deep as i could get as it is limited due to most of the sites are selling and are part of the 'discoverer',  a Jim Humble....
sounds exactly like someone who promotes it on other sites....with inconsistantcies/sp and all.

It does mess with stomach flora and a host of other functions...some extremely serious.
People go to those sites desparately seeking a cure...trying all kinds of things.
Check out curezone.org as well......there is a support forum and a debate forum in regards to MMS.
Alarming! Questions like...my poop is green, my liver hurts, urine is dark, kidneys hurt, and on and on.....and most do not see doctors and get tests!
A few have..with hcv, hiv....not a cure in sight. No change to worse with the viruses.
This rken sounds exactly like a person there.
I do alternatives so am not closed minded...but things like this is pure quackery..snake oil....but did research for the sake of my friends.
Never heard of it until they brought it up....everything is based on what that Jim Humble says..with no evidence to substantiate  the claims whatsoever.
Don't bother debating. Waste of time and energy...but will say to anyone thinking of trying it....read all the jargon, etc. form the 'free' online book..pay for the rest of it if one wants to read on!...and the continued changing stories, changing protocols, changing ideas, theories or whatever they are...and those claims of curing malaria in Malawi..and HIV/AIDS in Africa...wow...guess that's why it's called Miracle Mineral Supplement.

i do apologize for this rant...but this gets on my last nerve...more predators on the sick.

[rken]

Are you saying that because she got sick on this treatment it is not working or will not work. I have heard a lot of testimony and this and other Hep C sites of people getting sick on Interfuron, does that mean it does not work also.

Here is a link showing at least in animal that chlorine dioxide does not harm digestive track flora. it also show that it kills samonella and e. coli in lymph tissue.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2001/010305.htm

Thanks for your concern.

[CoWriter]

Let me show you why promoting this junk is plain wrong......

Chlorine Dioxide is a potent desinfectant agent used in water treatment and in bleaching.  It's used to bleach flour, paper and wood.  Eating or drinking it can cause irritation in the mouth, esophagus, or stomach and it can be toxic in certain amounts.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts160.html#bookmark05


The MMS website says.....

"MMS was discovered in 1996 by humanitarian, Jim Humble, while working in the jungles of South America."

And you know what I say?  I say not only is Mr Humble not very humble, he's also a LIAR.  Chlorine dioxide has been used for water treatment since 1944.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

His website also says.....

"I have given it to many people with one of the hepatitis diseases A, B, or C. I can GUARANTEE that 30 drops will make ANY hepatitis patient FEEL VERY SICK, but it will also CURE THEM."

And I say?

Liar, liar pants on fire!  You don't need anything to "cure" Hepatitis A.  Hepatitis A goes away by itself and once you've had it,  you can never catch it again.  So they are obviously lying about what this product can do.  

Making claims about a supplement being able to CURE hepatitis is ILLEGAL and violates FDA guidelines.  

This product can hurt people....and promising a "cure" to people who are ill is morally wrong!  I will be HAPPY to submit a complaint about this product to the FDA.  

Thank you for bringing it up to our attention so we can do something about it.  

And by all means, email a copy of my post to Mr Humble.

[Rockerforlife]

now you know why i only drink distillled water

[CoWriter]

Oh no, no, no.  I'm not falling for that one.  I'm not getting into a big discussion on why you shouldn't be drinking distilled water.