Aa
prop8
So okay heres another controversy the vote past to not allow sames sex Marriages ,what are your views it a hot topic here in LA there are people yelling on every street corner, and very fired up. Should be keep the Tradition of man and woman marriage or should we have people 'getting married. What are your views and what did you vote.
You say:
"You don't want to get into it with me about the constitution, I am not going to go into detail but my degree has given me much insite to the constitution. So don't try to question if I have read it."
While I'm sure your unnamed degree impresses you very much, you have missed the point completely. Every person living is born with rights, some have the misfortune to live is countries whose governments do not protect or respect those rights. You may have read the constitution, although you don't give a direct answer to my query, but you seem to have some gaps in your understanding of it. By the way, that word is spelled "insight."
"You don't want to get into it with me about the constitution, I am not going to go into detail but my degree has given me much insite to the constitution. So don't try to question if I have read it."
While I'm sure your unnamed degree impresses you very much, you have missed the point completely. Every person living is born with rights, some have the misfortune to live is countries whose governments do not protect or respect those rights. You may have read the constitution, although you don't give a direct answer to my query, but you seem to have some gaps in your understanding of it. By the way, that word is spelled "insight."
well I am from Michigan and it wasnt on the ballot here, who am I to judge others? I believe our society has become so liberal and accepting, why not, do you remember when people used to judge and fuss about children born to single mothers, nobody cares, we used to stare when a interacial couple where seen in publi, now nobody cares so if two adult consnting people who are gay love each other and want to be togeter as in marriage why not? who does it hurt? not me.
You don't want to get into it with me about the constitution, I am not going to go into detail but my degree has given me much insite to the constitution. So don't try to question if I have read it.
What rights are you born with? Freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom in general? Who says? When you look at Iraq, do you think Saddam thought that his people were born free? or did America give that freedom to them?
Laws have been created for personal matters. Laws have been created against drinking at a certain age, and drugs. Aren't those personal matters?
The Constitution is the governing document in America. Other laws can be created but those laws can not go against the constitution.
What rights are you born with? Freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Freedom in general? Who says? When you look at Iraq, do you think Saddam thought that his people were born free? or did America give that freedom to them?
Laws have been created for personal matters. Laws have been created against drinking at a certain age, and drugs. Aren't those personal matters?
The Constitution is the governing document in America. Other laws can be created but those laws can not go against the constitution.
No, you are born with rights, period. They are protected in the US, and some other nations but not elsewhere. Please show me where in the constitution we, the people, give the government the right to personal matters such as marriage.
By the way, have you ever read the constitution?
By the way, have you ever read the constitution?
See you have made my point on many things. When you hear people on the side of gay marriage and abortion you hear them say it's my right by the consitiution. And it is not a right granted by the constitution.
I am not trying to make this into an abortion debate just showing a point that the constitution does not grant rights. But the amendments to the constitution does as we see from the 1st Amendment.
But you are only born with these rights in America...other countries do not believe free speech is a right that you are born with. And marriage gay or straight is not a right you are born with no matter where you are.
I am not trying to make this into an abortion debate just showing a point that the constitution does not grant rights. But the amendments to the constitution does as we see from the 1st Amendment.
But you are only born with these rights in America...other countries do not believe free speech is a right that you are born with. And marriage gay or straight is not a right you are born with no matter where you are.
Here is what I think:
Marriage sometimes is neccesary but it does not determine ANYTHING relationship wise. A piece of paper should not TELL us how we should live our lives; that's something which comes from the heart. To me, marriage is a piece of paper, and it doesn't determine how much we love our partners and how committed we are to the relationship. That's what really sould count here.
I do not think gay marriage would affect sociaty in any way. I do not foresee tragedy if gay marriage is allowed.
Marriage sometimes is neccesary but it does not determine ANYTHING relationship wise. A piece of paper should not TELL us how we should live our lives; that's something which comes from the heart. To me, marriage is a piece of paper, and it doesn't determine how much we love our partners and how committed we are to the relationship. That's what really sould count here.
I do not think gay marriage would affect sociaty in any way. I do not foresee tragedy if gay marriage is allowed.
I agree with Peek. And I hope they overturn it.
I saw a protest sign that spoke volumes--a gay man held up a sign that said, "Perhaps you would prefer that I marry your daughter?"
I don't understand why anyone would care if two people who love each other, and want to make a commitment, take a legal oath.
I saw a protest sign that spoke volumes--a gay man held up a sign that said, "Perhaps you would prefer that I marry your daughter?"
I don't understand why anyone would care if two people who love each other, and want to make a commitment, take a legal oath.
You have a point here...there are way more important things to worry about. I really dont have room to talk as i have been married and divorced 3 times!!!! My dad always said if i dont have to support them(finacially) then who am i to say what they can and cant do. He was generalizing all people in his statement. I thought about his comment and it is so true. Who are we to decide. Just my opinion. sara
Pushing morals based on religion aside, I don't see it my business to really make a point one way or another. As far as sexual prefrence and whether one should marry, I believe that's best reserved between the individual and God. If they have no problem with it, then it's pointless for anyone else to pass judgement.
It's a waste of time and sentiments... I guess I don't really havwe an opinion one way or the other.
It's a waste of time and sentiments... I guess I don't really havwe an opinion one way or the other.
You say "...marriage is not a right granted by the constitution...."
The constitution does not grant rights. People are born with rights. Our constitution is a limited grant of power from the people to the government. When granting this limited power to the government, the framers explicitly set forth a list of rights they wished to protect. They did not make an exhaustive list, it includes those rights that had been most blatantly infringed upon by Britian. Having just thrown off British rule the foundng fathers had protection of those rights uppermost in their minds.
You have it backward. You don't get your rights from the constitution, you were born with them.
The constitution does not grant rights. People are born with rights. Our constitution is a limited grant of power from the people to the government. When granting this limited power to the government, the framers explicitly set forth a list of rights they wished to protect. They did not make an exhaustive list, it includes those rights that had been most blatantly infringed upon by Britian. Having just thrown off British rule the foundng fathers had protection of those rights uppermost in their minds.
You have it backward. You don't get your rights from the constitution, you were born with them.
really isnt there worst things going on in this world for us to woory about and trey to change then worriung bout 2 people of the same sex who love each other from getting married....come on people they arent hurting anyone, and hey us straight people arent real good at it anyway whats the divorcen rate like 60%?? so who are we telling others that it shouldnt be able to do it
Says who?
I'm for Prop 8, marriage is the ralationship between husband and wife.
I aree with you its No to Prop 8, I think they will overtutrn it.
See why I just continue to love you more and more! :) I can't imagine life without my best friend. We have been together (best friends) for 15+ years and hope and pray he will find someone to spend his life with. Happiness shouldn't be conditional.
I agree, people should be able to be happy regardless of their sexual preferences. My brother is gay and has been with the same partner for almost 32 years. His partner is a part of this family and has always been as such.
I agree. Even though I do believe that "traditional" marriage is a man and woman - I have homosexual friends that are as, if not more, committed than some of my straight couple friends.
My MAIN issue is the rights that are not granted to a non-man and woman couple - such as health insurance for the spouse. I have a friend that has a partner and she is self-employed. If they were "married" or considered a domestic partner - whatever - she could have the same insurance as her "spouse". Since she doesn't - she pays an Un-Godly amount for a horrible policy. There are other issues there - just one example.
I guess I think that (after being exposed to the lifestyle through my close friends) people are people are people. There are good straight people / bad straight people.....good gay people / bad gay people. We all deserve to be happy ....PERIOD - Leave people be. What makes any one of us happy is no one else's business - and I don't see why anyone should oppose something that doesn't really affect them. I can think of a lot worse things in the world than 2 women loving each other or 2 men loving each other.
Leave people be.
My MAIN issue is the rights that are not granted to a non-man and woman couple - such as health insurance for the spouse. I have a friend that has a partner and she is self-employed. If they were "married" or considered a domestic partner - whatever - she could have the same insurance as her "spouse". Since she doesn't - she pays an Un-Godly amount for a horrible policy. There are other issues there - just one example.
I guess I think that (after being exposed to the lifestyle through my close friends) people are people are people. There are good straight people / bad straight people.....good gay people / bad gay people. We all deserve to be happy ....PERIOD - Leave people be. What makes any one of us happy is no one else's business - and I don't see why anyone should oppose something that doesn't really affect them. I can think of a lot worse things in the world than 2 women loving each other or 2 men loving each other.
Leave people be.
Now what's going to happen but some lawsuits will be started and more $$ will be spent challenging it, and we'll be throwing TONS more money at the issue, that's all.
Leave people be.
Leave people be.
You will love this - I have a gay best friend and we were talking about Prop8 and he is ADAMANTLY against gay marriage. He doesn't think it should pass at all. He also (keep in mind he does have a bizarre sense of humor), said to me that "if gay people get married - it will clog up the courts and straight people will NEVER be able to get through the courts. Gay people are as fickle as they come!" I just about died!
Personally, I agree with peekawho, "My feeling is that if you do not agree with gay marriage, then you should not marry or attempt to marry a person of your same sex.
Very simple."
SO, who out there knows someone who is gay and what's THERE take on Prop 8?
Personally, I agree with peekawho, "My feeling is that if you do not agree with gay marriage, then you should not marry or attempt to marry a person of your same sex.
Very simple."
SO, who out there knows someone who is gay and what's THERE take on Prop 8?
I say "yes" also. I'm with Peekawho. If you don't like it , don't marry someone of the same sex. They aren't hurting anyone.
I say yes to same-sex marriages
These aren't my words, but they sum up my feelings:
It doesn't hurt society or anyone in particular. A marriage is a relationship between two people. How does it hurt society or people not involved in the marriage? It is a personal commitment that really is no one else's business. Society shouldn't be dictating what two people can or can't do when no one else is hurt in the process. If the church or certain groups disapprove, that's their right, but it isn't their right to stop it
Denying them is a violation of religious freedom (civil and religious marriages are two separate institutions). The main reason for denying marriage to gay couples is that some religions consider homosexuality a sin; however, the First Amendment of the Constitution clearly states that a person's religious views or lack thereof must be protected. Marriage by the state is a secular activity; the government cannot start making laws just because a religion says they should. What's next, should we make taking the Lord's name in vain a criminal activity because Christians consider it a breaking of a commandment?
Marriage benefits (such as joint ownership, medical decision-making capacity) should be available to all couples. Marriage is more than a legal status. It affects many things in society such as tax filing status, joint ownership of property, insurance benefits, and agency law. It affects critical medical decisions. For example, if one member of a gay couple that has been together for 20 years gets critically ill, visitation may not even be allowed since the other isn't considered a "spouse or immediate family member". Also, critical medical decisions must often be made when one person is incapacitated; e.g. should a certain surgery be done or not? It is completely unfair to deny these privileges to people because their relationship doesn't fit the state's definition of one.
The only thing that should matter in marriage is love. The number one reason that heterosexuals marry is not to establish legal status, allow joint filing of taxes, or protect each other in medical decision-making. They marry because it is the ultimate expression of a person's love for another. Marriage is a commitment that says "I love you so much that I want to live the rest of my life with you. I want to share the ups and downs, forsake all others, and be together until death do us part." Should it matter that the couple doesn't fit into what society is used to? Some people talk about living wills and other legal contracts that can give homosexuals essentially the same rights as a married couple. If that is the case, why don't all heterosexual couples use these legal maneuvers instead of marriage? Just maybe there's something more to it.
These aren't my words, but they sum up my feelings:
It doesn't hurt society or anyone in particular. A marriage is a relationship between two people. How does it hurt society or people not involved in the marriage? It is a personal commitment that really is no one else's business. Society shouldn't be dictating what two people can or can't do when no one else is hurt in the process. If the church or certain groups disapprove, that's their right, but it isn't their right to stop it
Denying them is a violation of religious freedom (civil and religious marriages are two separate institutions). The main reason for denying marriage to gay couples is that some religions consider homosexuality a sin; however, the First Amendment of the Constitution clearly states that a person's religious views or lack thereof must be protected. Marriage by the state is a secular activity; the government cannot start making laws just because a religion says they should. What's next, should we make taking the Lord's name in vain a criminal activity because Christians consider it a breaking of a commandment?
Marriage benefits (such as joint ownership, medical decision-making capacity) should be available to all couples. Marriage is more than a legal status. It affects many things in society such as tax filing status, joint ownership of property, insurance benefits, and agency law. It affects critical medical decisions. For example, if one member of a gay couple that has been together for 20 years gets critically ill, visitation may not even be allowed since the other isn't considered a "spouse or immediate family member". Also, critical medical decisions must often be made when one person is incapacitated; e.g. should a certain surgery be done or not? It is completely unfair to deny these privileges to people because their relationship doesn't fit the state's definition of one.
The only thing that should matter in marriage is love. The number one reason that heterosexuals marry is not to establish legal status, allow joint filing of taxes, or protect each other in medical decision-making. They marry because it is the ultimate expression of a person's love for another. Marriage is a commitment that says "I love you so much that I want to live the rest of my life with you. I want to share the ups and downs, forsake all others, and be together until death do us part." Should it matter that the couple doesn't fit into what society is used to? Some people talk about living wills and other legal contracts that can give homosexuals essentially the same rights as a married couple. If that is the case, why don't all heterosexual couples use these legal maneuvers instead of marriage? Just maybe there's something more to it.
well as a father of a gay young man, yes my son is gay, i have truley struggled with this question.. i am pretty conservated person, but if the two people love each other and want to be together, what is wrong with letting them get married, as most of us straight have always joked about.."its' just a peice of paper"..so if it is that whats the big deal. is it hurting anyone, if they can get the same benifits as if they were married then why not..
I am on the fence with this one. I do feel a union is between a man and woman but at the same time who am i to be the judge and jury for same sex marriage. How do the insurance companies look at this??
i am against gay marriage (although it could be a business boost - i'm a divorce lawyer, and that would double my business). i have no problem with civil unions and contractually protecting interests, but i see no reason to extend the definition of marriage.
You are reading content posted in the MedHelp Social Community
A list of national and international resources and hotlines to help connect you to needed health and medical services.
Herpes sores blister, then burst, scab and heal.
Herpes spreads by oral, vaginal and anal sex.
STIs are the most common cause of genital sores.
Condoms are the most effective way to prevent HIV and STDs.
PrEP is used by people with high risk to prevent HIV infection.
