Continuation of 'Penis hard when flaccid' thread...

[frenchiman]

Hey guys. I've been suffering from a similar problem as most of you. Most days penis is smaller and hard when flaccid, lowered sex drive, can't get full erections in this state like I used to, rarely get morning wood, when erect penis it's so stiff that you cannot bend it left and right slightly, and so on. In my case however all this goes away after I don't masturbate or have sex for about 5 days. Then upon ejaculation the 'hard flaccid penis' comes back to haunt me.

For me this started 6 months ago after one night when I had done ecstacy. I've found at least 3 other people on the internet with the exact same problem that started after a night on ecstasy. I've done countless research online and went through every forum with people who report 'hard flaccid penis'. A lot of us share the same symptoms which leads me to believe that the problem derives from one source, be it poor circulation, nerve damage, or imbalanced hormones, but yet nobody has made the connection.  

I too suffer from a back injury as some others, but I definitely ruled out the theory that this is caused by spine problems. My back pains come and go, but the penis problem is uncorrelated. In my particular case I am convinced that this was brought by ecstacy becasue others have reported the exact same symptoms and timing. This could mean that E either messed up my serotonin levels, or messed up my circulation somehow. Heat does help 'soften' up my flaccid penis somewhat as others have mentioned. Also there is a possbility that I, as well as many of you, have some form of prostatitis. We need to go get that checked out. If that is the case than the good news is that it is treatable.

So I've narrowed it down to three possibilities for my case:
- Prostatitis
- Unbalanced circulation or hormone levels caused by the MDMA
- some weird STD (I've had unprotected sex numerous times, but this option is very unlikely as it started the morning after I have done mdma).

I am going to get checked out next week and I will post my findings.
In the case that this is due to some circulation problems amongst most of us, from my research I recommend you all to start taking Omega-3 fish oils and L'arginine ethyl ester (helps increase and improve blood flow) on a daily basis. Further look into Ginko Biloba, but I'm unsure about the effectiveness of this. Also wrap a hot towel around your penis once a day.
If this is due to hormonal imbalances, such as serotonin levels in my case, then the key is a balanced diet, a multi-vitamin, sunshine, physical exercise and give your penis a lot of rest. Perhaps try to go for weeks without sex if possible.

I have just started applying all of this for myself. I'm going to a doctor next week and will post my results. Whoever has valid imput or knows a thing or two around medicine and neuroscience please share! We are going to get through this with doctors or without!


This discussion is related to Penis hard even in flaccid state.

[Fred2]

Does anyone have any results to post? I have been doing the Potaba and Magnesium along with L-Arginine, but with no success. I am going to see my fifth urologist on Monday. I no longer feel embarrassed about telling them about the situation because I just want it fixed.

[scot007]

I have been doing a lot of research into this. I am convinced that for many of us here the problem is hormonal. But it's complex and maybe nobody fully understands it.

I know for me the problem is definitely much worse in cold weather. Also if I need to pee it happens. Many people suffer this to some extent but I and a lot of others here are affected by it to an abnormal degree.

I won't go into everything here it would take too long. But basically the problem is we have very limited blood flow to the flaccid penis and it shrinks excessively. Vasoconstricting agents in the body do this, such as epinephrine (adrenaline). Alpha blockers counteract this.

But I've also been reading about something called Endothelin which a powerful vasoconstrictor located in the bladder and penis. Supposedly nitric oxide acts against this.

The answer in my opinion is to find ways to improve blood flow. Magnesium has been mentioned. This may help as it supposedly acts like a calcium channel blocker to open up blood vessels. Hawthorn may do a similiar thing:
http://www.dynamicchiropractic.ca/mpacms/dc_ca/article.php?id=53661

I'll post anything interesting I discover.

[Fred2]

Great info. Really appreciate it. I am convinced my injury is from jelqing so I am doing the Blackmores, magnesium oil, and l-arginine along with Potaba. I hope I am not doing too much magnesium! In the above posts, there is an emphasis on the hormone imbalance, which I probably also have as it seems I am taking a ton of meds now. For those with trauma issues, what have both of you found as a good daily regiment? I want to get a strict program in place and do it and record the results. I don't think I will be able to do the hormone testing, but I am willing to get the necessary supplements. Thanks for the assistance as I have had this affliction for about 7 years and it weighs on my mind 24 hours a day...

[frenchiman]

Thanks for the links.

Look if you're tight on cash, like me, than forget the broccoli protocol and the nettle root in general. The only reason I'm taking the tyrosine and curcumin and everything else is just to have enough mental clarity to make it through the day and so that adrenals don't get even worse over time. So its kinda like a maintenance protocol for the time being as I get back all results and get the supplements/herbs that I actually need to fix cortisol, thyroid, E2 and so on..

The broccoli may give you a 20% improvement in symptoms. But is it worth it for what it costs? It's up to you. If you got $ got for it and let me know. If no, then just wait until you have all results gathered and then if your E2 (estradiol) is pretty bad like mine then for sure the broccoli protocol will not be enough. What we need is a very powerful form of DIM. (equivalent to like 100 broccolis in a pill. And even DIM is not enough to lower E2 sufficiently for many people, so they must resort to Arimidex grains. Which is very powerful and you can only get it by prescription. That's my last resort though.. hope DIM works.


Seems the magnesium has noticeable effect on you kinda like tyrosine has on me. So def keep taking it. I'll order it when I get a chance.
Are you taking magnesium powder as well like buddy9? or just the oil?


Your plan for now is very solid. Make sure you get tested for everything possible though: blood - testosterone, free test, E2, TSH, t3, t4, dhea, if possible progesterone/pregnenolone, SHBG, and so on... saliva - 4x cortisol test.  Urine - all vitamins, minerals, amino acids (precursors to neurotransmitters).

Come register at
http://recover.forumup.org/viewforum.php?f=4&mforum=recover
I post there like daily.
You'll learn alot there too.

[lee27447]

Hey frenchiman,

Thanks for the info on tylenol i'm gonna order some of that stuff in the next few days so i'll let you know how that goes.

I've been doing a lot of reading up the past few days mostly on all things male
and it seems saw palmetto might not be such a good idea as its thought to be estogenic also the same with the beta-sitoserol with can also have a very negative impact on your libido and erections.

After hours and hours of reading i've decided to try the broccoli protocol which is were Dim is derived from along with a chinese prostate supplement called Qian Lie Kang Pian which is known in the west as conprosta or The Pulean Formula.
Ive only read good stuff about this combo so think it's def worth a try along with all the other supplements i'm already taking, so i'll let you know how that goes as well.

Heres a couple of links reguarding the broccoli protocol and Qian Lie Kang Pian-
http://www.prostatitis.org/broccindex.html

http://www.edguider.com/forum/general-alternative-ed-discussion/689-boiled-broccoli-broth.html

http://www.naturalypure.com/ProstatitisHerbalRemedy.htm

http://www.healthfactor.co.uk/for_men_enlargedprostate_qiang_lie_kang.shtml  (the one i'm buying)

I think this will take care of my prostate as its just enlarged because of ejaculating to often its not naturally enlarged due to the ageing process and since ive been using magnesium chloride (mag oil) i've noticed it's gone down a little from that.
Thanks for the curcumin links aswell i'm gonna get some of of them along with the other stuff within the next week.

Magnesium oil is as you probably already know just magnesium chloride mixed with water.
When i first started using this stuff i noticed the difference within a couple of days as it got rid of my heart palpitations which i've been having since all this started and also digestive problems which will be caused by the inflammatory process in my body effecting various organs.
Also my firm flaccid felt somewhat improved and my penis felt abit spongier and mushy like it should.
I also felt more alive and awake all of a sudden, I went to my dads and he told me i seemed in a good mood which must have been the mag oil.

The sudden effects of the mag oil have diminished a little but i'm still much improved to were i was before taking it so continue to use it daily.
Mag oil is supposed to be taken long term anyway as it can be months to build up your levels back to normal.
I suspect i probably do have low levels as when my body f****d up on me i was weight training 5-7 days a week ejaculating between 1-5 times a day and taking a weight loss pill that quickens your heartbeat.

All those things deplete magnesium and on top of that my diet consisted of micro meals and bread and not alot else and i was only getting around 5 hours sleep.
WOW no wonder my body collapsed ....

The mag oil i'm using is called betteryou magnesium oil.
Here's a link to there site-
http://www.betteryou.uk.com/magnesium-oil-pid7.html

What i did was bought a 100ml spray bottle then when that had run out bought a 1 litre bottle and just fill up the spay bottle every time it needs refilling.
The 1 litre bottle will last 6 months at least.
Heres a link to the exact ones i bought-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BetterYou-Magnesium-Oil-Original-Spray-/300431358638?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Vitamins_Supplements&hash=item45f31abaae#ht_1893wt_942

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BetterYou-Magnesium-Original-Soak-1-litre-/390223715968?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Vitamins_Supplements&hash=item5adb255e80#ht_1282wt_1139

There from the uk though but i'm sure you can get it canada aswell as its a popular brand.

So basically my plan now is just take all the supps we've mentioned get my hormone results and checked keep to my diet of fruit veg, potatoes chicken,tuna,eggs,spinach,nuts, rolled oats(highly recommended before bed) and plenty of water.light cardio positive optimistic attitude, abstinance
and thats pretty much it.
Apart from that its just a matter of time.

keep me up to date on any breakthroughs or progress you make frenchiman and i'll do the same.

All the best
Lee

[frenchiman]

hey lee

glad to help. Ya my life has also turned uoside down.. but its ok.. now you know everyone can healed 100%.. this is nothing irreversible :).. so everything will be alright sooner or later.. hopefully sooner.

1 Tylenol - if you're from the states I heard you guys can just buy Acetaminophen separately and dextromethorphan separately. That would be ideal. We dont have that here, but anyway if no then... just go for the product that has the best ratio. I buy Tylenol Day Cold Extra strength - yellow tablets. Cough syrups have same ingredients. I bought a Cold, Mucus and Plegm one by brand Benylin and had same results as with tylenol. It had 500 mg acetaminophen, 15 dex and 2 other random ingredients. Either get the one with 325 mg, 10 mg dex, and 5 mg random... or get a cough syrup with 500:15 ratio.

2. I actually never considered buying zyflamend. Did a search once and realized its expensive so I can't afford it right now. But there's only 1 kind of zyflamend so just find it through google. If you end up taking it let me know how it works!
Here's a link for the curcumin I got:
http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Super-Curcumin-with-Bioperine-800-mg-60-Capsules/6700?at=0
Try 1 capsule a day first, then 2 if you want.

Here's a curcumin that claims to be 3 times stronger:
http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Super-BIO-Curcumin-400-mg-60-Veggie-Caps/15211?at=0
I'll try it next see what happens.


Grasp as much info as you can from the All Things Male forum. Everything you need to know is there. Also check out my thread on tylenol. People got into detail in that discussion.


Regular doctors and urologists are absolutely useless so it doesnt surprise me that he brushed you off. That's why I said right off the bat if you're considering a doctor that will take you seriously and be able to help you then consider Dr. Romeo Mariano or Dr. John Crisler.
UNLESS you're read ALL the 101 threads over at all things male.. and then you can go to your local endocrinologist with your results and tell him I need this and this... Like prescribe me T3 for thyroid. That's probably what I;m gonna end up doing because I don't wanna go to the states for that.


Post your results from 8 months ago and post new ones when you get them. All the supplements you're taking and baths are great. But the key to full recovery is obviously to address the root  - which is adrenals and perhaps thyroid. Supplements are for extra help.

palmetto pumpkin seed and nettle root are great stuff.

Yes yawns, hard to wake up in the morning, and crashing in afternoon or evening are signs of adrenal fatigue. the ONLY reliable test to test adrenals is: saliva 4x cortisol test.
You basically put saliva in a tube 4 times throughout the day, send it, and they send you back results. Its important that its saliva, not blood, because blood is not accurate for cortisol. And very important that its 4 times (4x) and not one or two... because 4x will show complete picture and your cortisol rhythm. Any other test is useless. I ordered my saliva and blood tests from ZRT labs. I got the Comprehensive Male Combination package for $380. It basically covers everything neccesary.
You should to go your local endocrinologist and see what tests he can run on you. It should include most things like Total testosterone, free testosterone, estradiol and so on... but most likely wont include 4x cortisol. So you can order just 4x cortisol from ZRT labs for $138. That's what I'll be doing in 8 weeks when I retest.

Once you have all your results post them on the sexual exhaustion forum or all things male and people will help you interpret.
Here's a thread of someone with typical low cortisol (probably most people here):
http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?17001-Need-help-interpreting-cortisol-x4-results

The reply by Chilln is a complete guide on what is happening and what steps to take - after trying natural remedies, herbs, and vitamins and if they dont work.


Very few labs do testing for prostaglandin E2. The only ones that do are ones they only allow you to order tests through a practinioner - not on your own. So its not an option for me. But I think LabCorp is one of them. It's not necessary to have PGE2 tested. Save your money. Either way PGE2 levels will subside as soon as cortisol + thyroid + everything else is addressed. That's for sure.


By the way, a week ago I added in l'Tyrosine (dopamine booster). I take 2 grams every afternoon. It helps a lot! Mood and mental clarity are better within an hour... hard flaccid and scrotum restriction subside to a certain extent! And this is from 2 grams... I know people that take up to 10.
What could be happening is a dopamine boost directly boosts up testosterone a bit.. and supresses prolactin (our enemy).. so that could be helping. Also it could be helping stop dopamine-> norepinephrine conversion. But I'm not sure if my dopamine (tyrosine) is low or not. Will know as soon as I get amino acid results back. For now I;m gonna keep taking it.

So I strongly advice:
- tyrosine. (You should counter it with tryptophan/5-htp and gaba in evening)
- curcumin - can't recommend a dose
- tylenol time to time. It makes premature ejaculation gone.
- large dose magnesium.

The above is just a just a remedy for now, as we are treating the real problem.


Lee, hows applying magnesium oil on the penis working out?? Helps with hard flaccid at all?
Can you link me the magnesium oil you're using. I'm pretty curious.