I just found this post again. I figured I'd leave my answer since I finally got one. Oddly enough, the problem was discovered by my new allergist. I was having issues with swelling so I went to get tested for food allergies (diagnosed at 34 years old with a dairy allergy. Who knew). I had filled out one of those forms of all of my medical history since I was new there and one thing stood out to the doctor... stones. Not only did I have a history of kidney stones but the year before, I developed gall stones and had to have my gallbladder removed. Back up to my younger years and I had tonsil stones that ended with me having my tonsils finally yanked at 19. Doc asks me if my parathyroid has ever been tested and as you can see above, it hadn't been. So I got the tests and turns out, my parathyroid gland was out of control... levels were 3x what they should be. I had surgery a week later and had 2 parathyroid glands removed and my levels went back down to normal right there on the operating table. I'm still working on losing the weight but all of the other issues I was having are GONE! I hope this helps someone else looking for answers. No one should suffer through 8 years of that nonsense like I did!
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, my mom's heat issues are not menopause related.
The tests are both Free. I put all of my test results on here just a few comments back if you want to take a stroll through them. I know nothing about blood work so that was easier than trying ro figure out what everyone was asking me for.
Intolerance to cold is a hypo symptom. Could your mother be going through or into menopause? Heat intolerance is a symptom of that.
I'm interested in your thyroid levels posted above. As flyingfool noted, the results "appear" to be Free T3 and Free T4. Please verify that. If the lab report doesn't specify "free" or FT then they are total, which aren't the same tests and are considered to be obsolete and of little value.
Well, apparently my internal temperature is much more off than I realized. I had family visit this weekend so I had other people fighting for control of the thermostat. My a/c is set to 76°. If I sit in the living room and the ceiling fan is going, I can turn the a/c off altogether and usually, I end up under a blanket... Even on days when it is in the 90s. My mother was dying from how hot she said it was in my house. Granted, she only wanted me to turn the a/c down to 74° but the fact that she was sweating and I was wearing a sweatshirt means something is off with one of us. Asking the rest of the family, they all said that they were comfy with the a/c on and the ceiling fan blowing.
My body has never been good at going from hot to cold or cold to hot without giving me an upset stomach and I would say I get overheated more than I think I should. I have never had an issue with being cold in the summer time though. Even walking into my basement, going to the grocery store or eating at a restaurant have become trials because I always have to have a sweater with me.
Is this a normal symptom for thyroid issues or maybe even some other 'ailment'?
Oh good! Well at least I have that going for me! Haha
I was researching some of the stuff you posted to me and found some information abouy Reverse T3. Are you familiar with this at all? I am curious if this is something I should be considering as a culprit.
Yes well that rules out glucose issues and anaemia so that's good. :)
Oooh good, that one worked! Maybe it will make a little more sense with all of the readings there for you! Lol Sorry!
Got it! Lol I was just being an idiot and forgetting that greater than and less than signs would eat up my text.
Test My Result Range
Vitamin B12 497 211-911
Folate 21.4 higher than 5.4
Ferritin 42.8 4.6-204
Insulin Total 11 0-17
Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 36 30-100
25-Hydroxy D3 2 36 higher or equal to 30
25-Hydroxy D2 2 less than 4 ?
Thyroid
Peroxidase AB less than 10.0 0.0-34.9
T3 Free 3.3 1.7-3.7
T4 Free 1.1 0.7-1.5
TSH 2.61 .35-4.94
Hemoglobin A1C 5.5 less than 5.7
IP Cardio CRP 6.2 3.1-10.0 ^*this is the high risk range. The average risk range is 1.0-3.0
IP Lipid w RFLX to DLDL
Cholesterol Total 148 125-200
Triglycerides 55 less than 150
HDL 51 higher than 46
LDLC 86 less than 130
CBC with Differential
WBC 8.5 3.2-11.0
RBC 4.72 3.80-5.20
Hemoglobin 14.1 11.6-15.2
Hematocrit 43.4 34.4-45.6
MCV 91.9 78.0-100.0
MCH 29.9 27.0-31.0
MCHC 32.6 32.0-36.0
RDW 12.5 11.5-14.5
Platelets 412 150-450
MPV 9.0 7.7-11.2
Neutrophil % 59 44-74
Lymphocytes Absolute 34 20-50
Monocytes 5 2-13
Eosinophils Absolute 2 0-7
Basophils Absolute 1 0-2
Neutrophils Absolute 5.0 1.3-5.0
Lymphocytes Absolute 2.9 1.5-3.5
Monocytes Absolute .5 0.0-1.0
Eosinophils Absolute .1 0.0-0.7
Basophils Absolute .1 0.0-0.1
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Sodium 138 136-145
Potassium 4.3 3.5-5.1
Chloride 105 98-110
Carbon Dioxide 21 18-27
Glucose, Serum 72 65-99
Urea Nitrogen (BUN) 15 7-19
Creatinine .082 .70-1.20
GFR
Non- African
American higher than 60 higher than 60
Calcium 9.5 8.4-10.5
Bilrubin, Total 0.6 0.2-1.2
Protein, Total 6.6 6.0-8.3
Albumin 2 3.8 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 65 38-126
Alanine Transaminase 14 9-52
Aspartate Transaminase 18 14-36
*Diabetes Interpretation:
Normal less than 100
Impaired 100-125
Diabetes Mellitus greater than 125
(I have no idea what this Diabetes Interpretation refers to... it was just at the bottom of the page)
LOL it didn't post the symbols. :)
I've had the same thing when I use . Seems to be hit and miss if it will post or not. I'll usually take those symbols out to repost.
Hahaha this is so odd! It just keeps deleting the middle of my test results.
IP Lipid w RFLX to DLDL
Cholesterol Total 148 125-200
Triglycerides 55 46
LDLC 86 60 > 60
Calcium 9.5 8.4-10.5
Bilrubin, Total 0.6 0.2-1.2
Protein, Total 6.6 6.0-8.3
Albumin 2 3.8 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 65 38-126
Alanine Transaminase 14 9-52
Aspartate Transaminase 18 14-36
*Diabetes Interpretation:
Normal 125
(I have no idea what this Diabetes Interpretation refers to... it was just at the bottom of the page)
Weird... it did it again.
I'm sorry, I jusy realized that half of my results didn't copy for some reason so I am trying it again:
Test My Result Range
Vitamin B12 497 211-911
Folate 21.4 > 5.4
Ferritin 42.8 4.6-204
Insulin Total 11 0-17
Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 36 30-100
25-Hydroxy D3 2 36 > or = 30
25-Hydroxy D2 2 <4 ?
Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10.0 0.0-34.9
T3 Free 3.3 1.7-3.7
T4 Free 1.1 0.7-1.5
TSH 2.61 .35-4.94
Hemoglobin A1C 5.5 <5.7
IP Cardio CRP 6.2 3.1-10.0 ^*this is the high risk range. The average risk range is 1.0-3.0
IP Lipid w RFLX to DLDL
Cholesterol Total 148 125-200
Triglycerides 55 46
LDLC 86 60 > 60
Calcium 9.5 8.4-10.5
Bilrubin, Total 0.6 0.2-1.2
Protein, Total 6.6 6.0-8.3
Albumin 2 3.8 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 65 38-126
Alanine Transaminase 14 9-52
Aspartate Transaminase 18 14-36
*Diabetes Interpretation:
Normal 125
(I have no idea what this Diabetes Interpretation refers to... it was just at the bottom of the page)
While your Hemoglobin A1C (measures the average blood glucose levels over the past 3 months) is 5.5 this could be falsely low if your hemoglobin is low.
Not sure what they mean by normal at 125? If that is fasting blood glucose then that is too high. A diagnosis of prediabetes is a fasting blood glucose level of 100 - 125 mg/dl. A fasting blood glucose level of 126 mg/dl or higher is a diagnosis of type 2 diabetes. You'd have to have repeated tests to confirm the diagnosis however.
CRP is an inflammatory marker. A more specific test for cardiovascular risk is high sensitivity CRP (hs-CRP). Either way, the lower the inflammation the better.
Vitamin B12, vitamin D (25-Hydroxy) and ferritin could be higher. D2 should be negative unless you are taking D2 supplements.
That pinch test is called the myxedema skin pinch test (youtube has a demo: Hypothyroidism Type 2: Myxedema Symptoms). Dr Mark Starr created the term hypothyroidism type 2. His book is: Hypothyroidism Type 2: The Epidemic.
The general area of testing myxedema is on the upper arm where it seems to first start showing up. This is a sign that your cells aren't getting enough thyroid hormone. I'm covered from head to foot in myxedema. You can read more about this: Myxedema - The forgotten Test for Hypothyroidism.
Hashimoto's thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease that can lead to hypothyroidism. Your thyroid peroxidase antibody is negative but you could also check for thyroglobulin antibodies which is another antibody that may be positive with this disease.
Several studies have shown that people with slightly higher cholesterol live longer than those with low cholesterol (less than 181 mg/dL or 4.7 mmol/L). The American Heart Association classify total cholesterol levels below 160 mg/dL or 4.1 mmol/l as hypocholesterolemia (abnormally low cholesterol).
Excerpt from the study: Primary and secondary hypocholesterolemia...
"The causes of primary hypocholesterolemia are some disorders owing to genetic mutation in the pathway of cholesterol absorption, biosynthesis or metabolism, including abetalipoproteinemia, hypobetalipoproteinemia, Tangier disease, chylomicron retention disease and inherited disorders of cholesterol biosynthesis.
The causes of secondary hypocholesterolemia comprise anemia, hyperthyroidism, malignancy, live disease, critical illness, serious stress, malabsorption or malnutrition, acute or chronic infection, chronic inflammation, and use of some drugs.
In addition, what's more important is that hypocholesterolemia can result in some adverse events, such as increased mortality, intracerebral hemorrhage, cancer, infection, adrenal failure, suicide and mental disorder. Therefore, with the practice of intensive lipid-lowering treatment and the tendency to the increased indications of statins, it's high time that physicians attached more importance to hypocholesterolemia."
Dr Sandra Cabot's article "Don’t worry about cholesterol; inflammation is your biggest problem" goes into various reasons for inflammation...
"The following factors all raise the level of inflammation in your body:
Being overweight
Diabetes
Infections
Stress
Lack of sleep
Deficiency of omega 3 fats in the diet
Lack of fresh vegetables in the diet
Food allergy or intolerance
Diets high in sugar, alcohol, gluten and omega 6 fats
In most people, the overwhelming cause of excessive inflammation in their body is poor diet choices.
Sugar, flour and vegetable oil high in omega 6 fats (soy, corn, cottonseed, sunflower, safflower oil) all cause wear and tear to your body. Having a fatty liver causes the liver to produce high levels of damaging inflammatory chemicals."
I cannot thank you enough for responding! Just to have someone listen to me and take me seriously is more than I could have asked for!
I went back and got all of my test results. There were a few questions about exactly what was run so I am just gonna post it all here and that way you have it to refer to if you have additional questions.
Test My Result Range
Vitamin B12 497 211-911
Folate 21.4 > 5.4
Ferritin 42.8 4.6-204
Insulin Total 11 0-17
Vit D, 25-Hydroxy 36 30-100
25-Hydroxy D3 2 36 > or = 30
25-Hydroxy D2 2 <4 ?
Thyroid Peroxidase AB <10.0 0.0-34.9
T3 Free 3.3 1.7-3.7
T4 Free 1.1 0.7-1.5
TSH 2.61 .35-4.94
Hemoglobin A1C 5.5 <5.7
IP Cardio CRP 6.2 3.1-10.0 ^*this is the high risk range. The average risk range is 1.0-3.0
IP Lipid w RFLX to DLDL
Cholesterol Total 148 125-200
Triglycerides 55 46
LDLC 86 60 > 60
Calcium 9.5 8.4-10.5
Bilrubin, Total 0.6 0.2-1.2
Protein, Total 6.6 6.0-8.3
Albumin 2 3.8 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 65 38-126
Alanine Transaminase 14 9-52
Aspartate Transaminase 18 14-36
*Diabetes Interpretation:
Normal 125
(I have no idea what this Diabetes Interpretation refers to... it was just at the bottom of the page)
Thank you for responding and sharing your experience!
I have not been diagnosed with diabetes so far. I am going to post my results below for you to see because I honestly have no idea what I should be looking at. I did not see a test for zinc on my test results but it could just be under a name I don't recognize.
Whay is Hashi? Is this something thay I should be worried about or maybe look into?
What kind of doctor did you find the most helpful while you were trying to determine the cause of your problem? A PCP, an endocrinologist, an internist, etc? Obviously I am unhappy with my current doctor and would like to switch to someone who cares enough to help me feel like my old self again.
Thank you again!
Thank you so much for your response!
In answer to your questions:
1. No, I have not been losing any hair from my eyebrows that I have noticed.
2. I absolutely cannot grab any skin in the crook of my elbow. I even tried to do it with gusto after realizing I couldn't do it and I got nothing.
You are correct in that the T3 and T4 tests were both Free and not Total. I am going to put all of my results in another comment in case there is anything else you want to check.
I did find my Vitamin B12 results and it says my result was 497 on a range of 211-911. I also found Ferritin on there and my result was 42.8 on a range of 4.6-204.
I don't think that I have ever had my adrenals checked but I really have no clue. How to they check them? Is it a blood test or is it done another way?
Thank you again for your help! You may not think you have helped very much but the fact that you listened AND took me seriously means the world to me!
I just read your answer. Very indepth! :) Yes I do have thyroid resistance issues unfortunately. I'm not sure if I ever mentioned this, but cholesterol or liver enzymes never changed with my cellular issues because my thyroid blood levels were normal. But when Hashi's showed up my liver enzymes both rose and my cholesterol started to move up in the range.
As you mention diabetes in your family, insulin resistance is something to consider if you haven't been diagnosed as diabetic. I had severe insulin resistance which has many symptoms in itself but there is also the long list of magnesium deficiency symptoms as well.
Insulin stores magnesium but if your cells become resistant to insulin you can't store magnesium so you lose it through urination. I also had zinc deficiency which may of been due to eating too much sugar but could of been due to insulin resistance. Not sure about that though.
High doses of vitamin D worsened my existing magnesium deficiency. And the "normal" range of vitamin D at my lab is dodgy. My lab range was way too low but I was even lower than that.
100% of all your symptoms are consistent with Hypo (low) thyroid.
Two further questions.
1) Are you losing or thin hair on the outer 1/3 or so of your eyebrows?
2) with one arm relaxed but outstretched with your bottom of the wrist pointing upward toward the ceiling, can you take the other hand and attempt to "pinch" abouit 2 inched up from the crook of your elbow just skin between your thumb and index finger? Don't go nuts with the pinch. You will generally either easily to be able to grab or pinch just skin, or your finger and thumb will simply glide over the skin and be unable to gather any skin.
If you are unable to grab skin and only slip over the skin then this is evidence that you are hypo.
Test # 2 is called in layman's terms the "hypo pinch test" You can google it or search under You Tube and see people do this. They claim that this pinch test is extremely acurate to determine if you have Hypo or not.
based on all you describe I would bet a ton of money that you will be unable to pinch any skin.
While your blood labs are within range, and in fact are quite well up into the range. MOST (but not all)people don't feel well until their Free T4 is about 50% of the range or a bit higher AND their FT3 is about 67% of the range.
Your test results
You don't list whether your tests were "Free" or "total". But the range listed for the T4 is consitent with what is frequently seen for "free T4". So I'm making the ASSUMPTION that in fact you were tested for the "Free" tests. "total" tests are obsolete and of little value
That being said your T4 result is: 50% of the range- equal to the rule of thumb.
Your T3 is 80% - Rule of thumb is 67-75%
MOST people would feel OK with these results in that you have almost perfect lab results compared to the rule of thumb.
This suggests to me that there may be something else going on. You appear to have what many layman simply define as "thyroid resistence". Or it could be Reverse T3 dominance. But with the higher amounts of Free T3 listed that seems a bit unlikely. You could also have Estrogen dominance. As thyroid binds to thyroid making it unavailable to be used by your cells. However it would seem that if this were the case, the "free T3" (free means that the hormone is by itself and not attached to another protein or other molecule) should not pick this up.
All of this is thinking out loud. But you may want to contact "Red Star" here on the forum who also has had issues with thyroid resistence. And in her case I believe and others with this genetic issue have to have their thyroid levels well in excess of what would seem reasonable. And to a point that almost no PCP or Dr who is not familiar with this rare situation would EVER prescribe that amount of medicine.
Please also test your, Vitamin B-12. There is a condition called and I may misspell lthis as "perneicious anemia". which does not allow B-12 to be absorbed and therefore leave you B-12 deficient. And this can cause incredible fatigue symptoms. Severe B-12 deficiency can also cause your extremities (hands & feet) to become numb.
Also consider testing for Ferritin. Which is NOT the same as iron. Ferritin is needed to transport thyroid.
Finally I'm not sure if you've had your adrenals checked. But that would be something to check. I believe you really want a 24 hour test for Cortisol rather than simply a one time snapshot as Cortisol really varies throughout the 24 hours in a day and you really need to know what it is doing for the whole day. It could be just fine in the day but completely out of whack at night and if you only get a single test during the day you would have no way to know this.
Sorry I could not be of further help. But the bottom line is that you certainly appear to be Hypo and potentially low B-12 for whatever reason.
Others here may have other ideas and I'm only giving you one idea and stream of thought.