Thought I was well enough to sign off...

[FAITHFUL74]

As some of you know I had decided a couple of days ago to spend less time on the forum and more time with my family... which is wonderful! I really had been feeling much better! I am clean since Jan 5th. so what is up with the muscle aches and pains and feeling achy? I dont have the flu and I have this every so often and it last for a few days and then I feel good again. I do have anxiety and mild depression, is that what is causing this? I feel like I am d/t ing again?

[FAITHFUL74]

I actually bought a suit... whooh... that is totally not me!!! But, it is cute, it was in the juniors department so it is rather classy... It's black/white checks... I plan to wear a lime green scarf or camasole and lime green shoes... I just hope I can get my husband to jump on board with the green thing, I want us to all match... how sweet, huh? JK Thanks for asking!

[worried878]

definately agree with any physical or menatal stimulation to help...i worked out like my old self today and am reading some cool books on addiction at bedtime...doesnt remind me of me tho so they are relaxing...great reads for addicts or non-addicts
Tell me about the dress?
I agree sometimes we need to diconnect from the addiction mode and be normal...we are normal and just go on about life as we did before but without the pills...we will fit right back in...at night i just may not hang as long!

[Flutterby111]

Sorry we hijacked your post honey.....feel better!  

[FAITHFUL74]

Well... sorry I wasn't here til now to see all this happen, and even after reading every single post I wont be able to tell you who said what, but, first of all... tapering was NOT an option for me. (as in there was not choice but to quit c/t)... I believe this is true for alot of others too. So... to whoever please dont be so quick to be critical of what methods people use to quit. C/T was not fun and it is still not fun, but, it is what had to happen so now I reap it. Ok. Secondly... there is no way there could ever be a manual of what to expect when detoxing... yes you can say its kinda like the flu at first, but, the lasting effects (especially mental) vary person to person.

Nauty... it probably is w/d's from the forum...lol.

Toxic... Thanks for letting me know that I am not the only one having these pains, not that I am glad you are too, but, at least I feel like it is linked to the pills, although I am having a checkup at the end of the week.

Anyone who cares: I did get out of the house later this afternoon and went to find me an Easter dress and by the time I got to town, I felt fine? I do believe that anxiety/stress can cause or worsen this. Because the more I worried about feeling bad today, the worse the pain was? When I got my mind off of it... it didn't hurt anymore... YEAH!

Love all ya'll... Yes I'm from the south.

[Flutterby111]

Exactly....that's all we can do.  try to feel out the individual and what MIGHT work....some people I try to suggest seek medical help period.  and if I don't know about the stuff-like methadone or sub-I don't go there....but I can't speak for everyone else.  It's a hard situation....especially to see people go through what we've gone through, it's kinda reliving it.  I wish everyone would and could taper....wish I would've.  Had I know what was to happen, I maybe would have.....but maybe I wouldn't have been scared straight.....goingtomakeit is right about that....in my opinion, and experience.

[worried878]

No you did not....you are venting!  LOL   a healthy coping mechanism compared to using like we used to do .....I never knew it would be this hard...the aftermath of the storm that I created in my own life all by my little old self...and I knew better...did not know about the aftermath...I am a nurse and deal with addicts all the time...my son worked at a methadone clinic....he is scared to death of the things..why wasnt I?  I wish I could have gotten on this forum and read for 2 days or so before I ever took my first pill.. if I had another child I would make it required reading in their teenage years....we are where we are...and we are dealing with it and that makes part of a very select group ...many never do deal with it...we are doing good  

[Flutterby111]

You're SO right.....someone today suggested withdrawing off of 2 percs a day would be like a small flu for 3 days......that's what I was down to worried....and YOU KNOW where I've been.........I didn't know what to do?!?!  Contradict and scare the girl into NOT quitting by saying NO, it lasted a week of hard core physical followed by 1 1/2 of somewhat normal mental then getting hit by a Mack Truck full of the Lowest Depression I've ever felt in my life WITH a firepit of anxiety burning in my stomach for the next 3 until I started antidepressants?????  Hell no......this isn't textbook.  Wish it was, but it isn't....some people, including myself are shocked by the withdrawls I went through....and here's the kicker....had I know AT ALL what to expect, I may have thought my mind was building this up in my head, but I had never seen this site, had NEVER known about what the withdrawls were about...only that they were addicting-DUH...I quit cold turkey on my own decision because I knew that's the only way I could've....I tried to wean ON MY OWN, with no support.  WOW< I just went off.

[BornTwoRiff]

yep.. seems like people fear is W/D.. I guess its best to just be here for them..

[worried878]

I wish it was like a step by step process that we could just spit out to evreyone.....good idea...makes sense....like when people say   "How long am I gonna feel bad?"  we say 6 days exactly then you will have PAWS in 1 month then every 3 months for 1 year...most people on here are just scared to death of WDs and want to know how to make it as painlessly as possible...that is just really a small part of it...but a huge part of it..but you cant tell people that when they are freaking out about having the flu for a little while...and I should not even be saying this cuz someone in WDs is probably reading it and thinking OMG...there is more afterwards! It really does get better and better and better...and everyone experiences it differently..so you just can not be exact...just is not an exact science at all

[Flutterby111]

Who said anything about licking peoples' faces then backstabbing?  That has nothing to do with it?  You've been consistant I will say that....you did hit a button with me with that comment....with others too, I just refrained from speaking my mind, because I don't typically jump into conflict. I said my piece.  Peace.

[BornTwoRiff]

You are right in what you say,,, only thing I mean by the protocol was it sure would be good to keep more peope here and help them, its an idea that came about when so called paul was here but we see how that turned out.. It was just a thought and you are right,, you all are not any type medical personnel but do offer great support ofr any that come here..

[GoingToMakeIt]

Protocol would be good but there are so many variables it would be a huge manual. Too hard for addicts to follow, I am afraid. We all do the best we can to help others.

[BornTwoRiff]

I never said I was not an addict.. I have stated I have not been abusing the medication. Maybe you are right,, just let everyone say anything and just digest what you need..
sorry to p*** you off.. did not mean to.. I am just not the type person that licks everyone in the face then stabs them in the back the next day .. I do feel I have a right to say what i want here just like you do...  

[worried878]

Ouch.....all we can do is to help people by using our own experience..which in my case is somewhat limited since I have only been clean 6 weeks...can say how I felt and I also learn alot from reading other people's experiences...I love to google stuff and did not even know what suboxone was when i came on here and now i feel i do understand it...we are not addiction specialists...nor are we doctors...just addicts to lend support and any tips we have learned from our using and our detox...our road so far..and try to lend support to others without being judgemental
Seems like we have alot of people that come on here for a week or so and never to be heard from again...I hope they stayed clean...I am very happy to be associated with the regulars who stay, and stay, and stay on here....it is the core of this network and what makes it tick...and it is out of the kindness of their hearts...and to help keep ourselves clean....love all of u guys

[Flutterby111]

This forum is opinion and experience based......so as far as people not knowing what their talking about, some is fact, some opinion....but most people here speak with compassion, in my opinion.  Who are "us guys" that need to come up with protocal....We're not DOCTORS, we're addicts and humans....I'm so sick of your criticism.....like your advice to have people switch to the fentinol patch to wean off of other narcs....I'm sorry, I know I've been having a bad day here, but get a grip and get off of your high horse.  You also claim not to be an addict....so whatever.  We're not paid to be here....we're here for support for ourselves, and to give support the best we can, IF we can......if you don't think it's a good forum, you know where the big red X is............PEACE!

[BornTwoRiff]

This forum has been great to come to.. My taper has not been a cake walk but I also am not wanting to run my head in the wall either.. NOT yet anyway ... Its been great to come and read and just listen to all of you and know I was not alone.. I use to think I was the only person on earth that was on a pain medication that wanted off and felt lik it was killing me to stay on it any longer.. When I got here I really understood that this can be done.. ... I cant wait to drop to the 12mcg/h patch. I just hope it dont kill me.. seems the lower I drop the harder the drop.. takes about 2 weeks to get really over it.. 4 days feeling better but 2 weeks and most is gone.. You guys need to come up with some protacol when people come on and how you want to handle each case and such.. I know we all are just drug users weather it be by doctor or our own choosing but need some type protocal.. Seems when someone comes on and aks something.. people come out of the wood work spewing information and some really dont know what they are taking about.. Some are really smart and are very helpful...It would make it a great forum for sure..

[GoingToMakeIt]

I will never say that c/t is the best way. It also depends on the drug being used. Tapering is a good option as is Sub. But whatever works. Because we all agree that using drugs is a road to a bad ending.

[toxictome]

Anyway...I'm glad you're back..cuz I didn't get a chance to say bye...so "HI"!!!!

[toxictome]

I tpaered...and i am on 8 weeks an yesterday i started feeling like that again...deep muscle aches, allmost feels like it's in my bones...i worked out this a.m. and by this afternoon I was feeling all achey and sore...(mostly legs, hips,and back). This is the second time this has happened...the other time it was about week 5 or early 6....today it is rainy ...I'm wondering if it is in conjunction w/ the weather, or what...i don't know...but i never had this before either..so ii think it's just our body's way of readjusting...i also have been having these twitches in my muscles. only in about 3 spots...and one is under my right eye..drives me NUTS!!!  Probably PAWS.....if i start mewing or panting....I'm going to the vets...LOL

[BornTwoRiff]

Market: That is the ONLY good thing I can say about c/t  some people have to go to hell like this to know they never want to go back.. That is a great point. It leaves a lasting reminder and maybe just maybe,, they will never return to drug use...

[GoingToMakeIt]

I posted Greatgreebo's info on PAWS in the Health Pages.

Welcome back Faithful. One of the things that struck me about PAWS is the 30-60-90 etc day cycles that can hit you.

Well one of the good things about c/t is the negative impression it leaves. W?Ds are a good reminder to not start back up again. Tapering is better, few can do it. Any way to clean is a good way.

[BornTwoRiff]

I know you all will disagree with me but this again is my case against cold turkey detox.. I really believe its shocking the body and mind. I have come off 3 layers of patches 100-25 and stable about to drop to 12mcg/g and I have began to have GOOD dreams for a change. I dreamed two nights straight last week about my kids and they were really young again and we were having a blast.. I hate to keep bringing this up but I really feel c/t is bad for the mind and body. Its taking some of you guys months to feel normal again. I dont mean any dispect by this its just my feeling and now it my experience.. I am feeling so good I want to rush it but keep telling myself ,, no have to be patience and taper..
sorry

[NautyOne]

Maybe it is withdrawal from the forum......welcome back!

Nauty.........

[troubleinohio]

maybe PAWS, or regular depression, or fibromyalgia? I think i remember FLaddict posting something about fibro being possibly related to pill use but I cant be sure. Hope you feel better soon. I hurt like that alot too and it sucks!