Thought I was well enough to sign off...

[FAITHFUL74]

As some of you know I had decided a couple of days ago to spend less time on the forum and more time with my family... which is wonderful! I really had been feeling much better! I am clean since Jan 5th. so what is up with the muscle aches and pains and feeling achy? I dont have the flu and I have this every so often and it last for a few days and then I feel good again. I do have anxiety and mild depression, is that what is causing this? I feel like I am d/t ing again?

[VicUser]

It sounds like the artical someone posted about PAWS. Hopefully someone will be able to direct you to it

[FAITHFUL74]

And just to add... I dont remember EVER feeling this muscle aches and achiness before I had become addicted to hydros. I was taking them for about 8-9 months straight about 4-5 10mg per day sometimes 6. Then quit c/t (if this info helps). Since I had never experienced this mysterious aching and pain before the pills, I do not understand this?

[Flutterby111]

I too suffer anxiety and depression and I KNOW it is from the pills....never had it BEFORE!!!  ANd I was just telling someone else this a minute ago....last night I had horrible visions as I was trying to sleep...just like when I was d/t-ing...evil twisted scary....while awake, but almost asleep.....and rested well from what I could remember....and this morning woke drenched in sweat....just like when I d/t-ed.  I never sweat like that except while going through the w/d's.....  I don't know what to say except alot of us have been having STONG cravings today....and now you're saying this?  It's odd to me...My drug counselor told me the emotional is PAWS and come in waves like secondary withdrawls but emotional...hang in there honey.

[FAITHFUL74]

We have a spay/neuter clinic that goes by the name PAWS? Just kiddin. I would like to know more if someone can help me.

[FAITHFUL74]

Do you ache all over?

[road2recovery]

Could be paws...but at only 8 -9 months , it would seem that it is not....Maybe u should just get a good checkup by your doc, and be sure everything is ok..
r2r

[FAITHFUL74]

A better way to describe this would be to say hypothetically (or however you spell it)...

I feel like a participated in a very intense sport or run or played football at a family picnic, something I do not do everyday by all means and I am sore in my muscles.... is this stress?

[FAITHFUL74]

I skimmed over the article on paws and the one thing that stood out to me was the sleep disturbance, although I have a baby under the age of 1 and I am up and down checking one her, I also find myself constantly waking and having really dumb dreams and waking suddenly. I also find myself going to get a drink about 3 to 4 times a night and I am very tired during the day? I wish I would have never ever taken these stupid pills, I feel like they have ruined my life and the quality of life I had before them. I know you all cant see me breaking down right now, but, I am really having a rough day.

[Flutterby111]

My legs still get achy....but I'm not sure about that one.....hmm.....do you drink enough water????/ I have no clue about that really.

[confused456]

check out Greatgreebos articles on paws in her journals. Shes on my friends list if u dont have her!

[troubleinohio]

maybe PAWS, or regular depression, or fibromyalgia? I think i remember FLaddict posting something about fibro being possibly related to pill use but I cant be sure. Hope you feel better soon. I hurt like that alot too and it sucks!

[NautyOne]

Maybe it is withdrawal from the forum......welcome back!

Nauty.........

[BornTwoRiff]

I know you all will disagree with me but this again is my case against cold turkey detox.. I really believe its shocking the body and mind. I have come off 3 layers of patches 100-25 and stable about to drop to 12mcg/g and I have began to have GOOD dreams for a change. I dreamed two nights straight last week about my kids and they were really young again and we were having a blast.. I hate to keep bringing this up but I really feel c/t is bad for the mind and body. Its taking some of you guys months to feel normal again. I dont mean any dispect by this its just my feeling and now it my experience.. I am feeling so good I want to rush it but keep telling myself ,, no have to be patience and taper..
sorry

[GoingToMakeIt]

I posted Greatgreebo's info on PAWS in the Health Pages.

Welcome back Faithful. One of the things that struck me about PAWS is the 30-60-90 etc day cycles that can hit you.

Well one of the good things about c/t is the negative impression it leaves. W?Ds are a good reminder to not start back up again. Tapering is better, few can do it. Any way to clean is a good way.

[BornTwoRiff]

Market: That is the ONLY good thing I can say about c/t  some people have to go to hell like this to know they never want to go back.. That is a great point. It leaves a lasting reminder and maybe just maybe,, they will never return to drug use...

[toxictome]

I tpaered...and i am on 8 weeks an yesterday i started feeling like that again...deep muscle aches, allmost feels like it's in my bones...i worked out this a.m. and by this afternoon I was feeling all achey and sore...(mostly legs, hips,and back). This is the second time this has happened...the other time it was about week 5 or early 6....today it is rainy ...I'm wondering if it is in conjunction w/ the weather, or what...i don't know...but i never had this before either..so ii think it's just our body's way of readjusting...i also have been having these twitches in my muscles. only in about 3 spots...and one is under my right eye..drives me NUTS!!!  Probably PAWS.....if i start mewing or panting....I'm going to the vets...LOL

[toxictome]

Anyway...I'm glad you're back..cuz I didn't get a chance to say bye...so "HI"!!!!

[GoingToMakeIt]

I will never say that c/t is the best way. It also depends on the drug being used. Tapering is a good option as is Sub. But whatever works. Because we all agree that using drugs is a road to a bad ending.

[BornTwoRiff]

This forum has been great to come to.. My taper has not been a cake walk but I also am not wanting to run my head in the wall either.. NOT yet anyway ... Its been great to come and read and just listen to all of you and know I was not alone.. I use to think I was the only person on earth that was on a pain medication that wanted off and felt lik it was killing me to stay on it any longer.. When I got here I really understood that this can be done.. ... I cant wait to drop to the 12mcg/h patch. I just hope it dont kill me.. seems the lower I drop the harder the drop.. takes about 2 weeks to get really over it.. 4 days feeling better but 2 weeks and most is gone.. You guys need to come up with some protacol when people come on and how you want to handle each case and such.. I know we all are just drug users weather it be by doctor or our own choosing but need some type protocal.. Seems when someone comes on and aks something.. people come out of the wood work spewing information and some really dont know what they are taking about.. Some are really smart and are very helpful...It would make it a great forum for sure..

[Flutterby111]

This forum is opinion and experience based......so as far as people not knowing what their talking about, some is fact, some opinion....but most people here speak with compassion, in my opinion.  Who are "us guys" that need to come up with protocal....We're not DOCTORS, we're addicts and humans....I'm so sick of your criticism.....like your advice to have people switch to the fentinol patch to wean off of other narcs....I'm sorry, I know I've been having a bad day here, but get a grip and get off of your high horse.  You also claim not to be an addict....so whatever.  We're not paid to be here....we're here for support for ourselves, and to give support the best we can, IF we can......if you don't think it's a good forum, you know where the big red X is............PEACE!

[worried878]

Ouch.....all we can do is to help people by using our own experience..which in my case is somewhat limited since I have only been clean 6 weeks...can say how I felt and I also learn alot from reading other people's experiences...I love to google stuff and did not even know what suboxone was when i came on here and now i feel i do understand it...we are not addiction specialists...nor are we doctors...just addicts to lend support and any tips we have learned from our using and our detox...our road so far..and try to lend support to others without being judgemental
Seems like we have alot of people that come on here for a week or so and never to be heard from again...I hope they stayed clean...I am very happy to be associated with the regulars who stay, and stay, and stay on here....it is the core of this network and what makes it tick...and it is out of the kindness of their hearts...and to help keep ourselves clean....love all of u guys

[BornTwoRiff]

I never said I was not an addict.. I have stated I have not been abusing the medication. Maybe you are right,, just let everyone say anything and just digest what you need..
sorry to p*** you off.. did not mean to.. I am just not the type person that licks everyone in the face then stabs them in the back the next day .. I do feel I have a right to say what i want here just like you do...  

[GoingToMakeIt]

Protocol would be good but there are so many variables it would be a huge manual. Too hard for addicts to follow, I am afraid. We all do the best we can to help others.

[BornTwoRiff]

You are right in what you say,,, only thing I mean by the protocol was it sure would be good to keep more peope here and help them, its an idea that came about when so called paul was here but we see how that turned out.. It was just a thought and you are right,, you all are not any type medical personnel but do offer great support ofr any that come here..