Subutex

[babakk]

I was on Subutex for more than two years. Usually 8mg per day. I went into rehab to come off but they didn't seem to know that Subutex has a long half-life and I experienced everything that is said in the article on Subutex on this site. The problem is that it is now two years since I have come off Subutex but I still have PAWS. Basically I have not motivation to move or do anything at all. The only thing which helps is opiates like opium, morphine and heroin. From time to time I have had to take one or the other just to be able to do things which were needed to be done. I have no craving for opiates and I don't take large quatity of them and I stay away from heroine if there are other trhings available. Opium is my preferred substance. I repeat I only take it because at times I have to get things done. I also suffer from depression. I wanted to ask if there is anything I can do to get rid of these symptoms. Can they be permenant?

[babakk]

As I said I do suffer from depression and have been for the last 17 years and I am on heavy dose of Effexor as well as having had VNS implant. When I first came of Subutex my depression was such that I couldn't even speak and as writer of the article on the subject said I felt half a ton of weights round my neck so moving was very difficult.
Everything is back to normal now apart from this lack of motivation and difficulty is mobility which is not as bad as it was but it still bad. I don't leave the house for days and I certainly can't work. If I am forced to get out I feel disorientated and have been in two car accidents because of it. But if I do take "small" amounts opium, morphine or even smaller amount of heroin then I feel almost normal. Never hundred percent like I did before Subutex but close. I am just fed up with this state and don't want to get addicted again so I never use more than a day in several weeks. Prefering to stay at home if I can. Obviously this is difficult and nobody seems to understand why that is.

[worried878]

Addiction can affect endorphin levels...your body senses that you are getting the endorphin stimulation from an outside source and will decrease production...or cease production..hence depression and fatigue...but this is repairable...the amino acids help..an AD may be a good idea...ask your doctor...maybe you can find a doctor who is an addiction specialist which would be great as they understand the process...also..staying clean will help because everytime you use you are doing more damage...everytime u use u could be aggravating the situation....or this could be a condition u had before using and you were self medicating to relieve it with narcotics...either way...quitting using..using the amino acid protocol... seeing your doctor would be good so you can get to the root of it...exercise releases endorphins...if you run or walk for 20 minutes..do you feel any different?  if it gives you a boost...then u still have endorphins...sometimes it just takes alot of clean time to get them working again...my son worked at a methadone clinic and has educated me on this in the past...it is one of the main reasons people relapse ...I also have learned that smoking is aggravating and affects all of the receptors...aggravates the healing as well...drinking can as well..sorry for the long post

[triedeverymed]

I was on it to for a long time and then had severe depression. Turned out I needed a mood stableizer since SSRI's didn't work. Now I don't crave opiates at all. Toward the end of my Sub. days I would forget to take the pill. They put me back on because I was afraid of relapse but the Abilify changed everything. And I was so mad I suffered for 2 years like that.
I can relate.
Erin

[avisg]

what type of permanent damage can these drugs cause ?

[avisg]

honestly this sounds more like depression ...Are you on an antidepressant?

[babakk]

What do you mean by permenant damage?
As I said I only use drugs on very specific occasions when I need to get up and have something done.
What kind of permenant damage could I have suffered.
I have been to doctors several times and I have had everything tested apart from an MRI on my brain