So if Im at a scale of 7, how many L-Tyrosines would I take? Im confused on your definition of "tablet." You explain a tablat as a bunch of different vitamins and things together, then you say if your scale is 'x' then you should take 'x' amount of tablets/day. So I should multiply the dosage times 7? So if I have the L-Tyrosine 500 mg capsules, then I should take 7 of them, along with all the others? (Multiplying the dosage of the others, not the actualy capsules/tabs that come in the bottle)
im currently on a rapid detox from 14 or more percocet 10s a day, to 6 now using vicoden to do a rapid detox. im also using the thomas recipe which can be used for cold turkey or rapid detox. it seems to be helping. either way day 3 is hell. today for me day 5, so far so good. got up same time 1 am with rls. insomnia and slight body aches. day 4 was not like day 3 which was obnoxious. clearer thinking and was actually able to get some things done. , look it up, it does help the detox. aloha, leanne
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Does this formula really work??? Please say yes.
does anybody still use this? i could surely use some support..
I noticed this was an old post and re-read the contents...the thomas recipe is in the health pages...the "thomas" who wrote this recipe is no longer here on our earth.....just a reminder of how dangerous using can be.....but the recipe lives on
The hydros are ok to quit CT...the ativan needs to be tapered...dangerous to quit benzos CT...u posted on an old post...a new question would draw attn to ur needs
I found out I had fibromyalgia and soft tissue rheumatism, pretty painful stuff with no cure..
I started taking Lortab 10 four times a day and have been doing this for three years...
I have been taking this mixed with an ativan 2mg's for anxiety each day..
so that's four lortab ten's and one ativan each day...
I can remember hurting , my reason for this cocktail...
I do know I am gonna hurt again, I used to manage my pain somehow before getting this prescription...
I have found that the hot baths for pain that comes from withdrawals also may help the pain from my diseases.. hmm we will see...
I am also taking five hour energy shots to help the blah feelings...
I made a decision to stop taking the Lortab yesterday, I went from 40 mg's to twenty yesterday, today I am working on just five mg's and its 8:00 p.m. I have decided to take three ativans and sleep as much as possible, done in increments of course...
I have a question?
Do any of you experience this horrific cough during the withdrawal period?
I would love to take the ativan and sleep , if only I could stop the #@%$ coughing ...
I look forward to reading the post here..
good luck to everyone!
i am quitting methadone 40mgs. and 18 5 mg oxycodone a day. i took my last oxy. at 4 p.m. i am more afraid of methadone w/d from what ive read tonight about it. i have klonopin, and thomas recipe but i am scared. i only have 4 days to get it done. iam at my moms but my 4 kids get out for the summer on thursday. does anybody think i can really do this or should i get off 1 or the other, or just taper. i just seperated with my husband of 20 years. my kids 11,13,15 and 17 are depending on me to make the right choice with their dad. i need to be depending on God and this medication is not helping with clarity.any feed back would be great. i took 1 klonopin when will seious w/d set in? thanks lysah
hi my boyfriend and i have been using various opiods for the last 3 years, heroin, percodan, methadone etc. we are gearing up for our umptienth withdrawl (#7 for me and #3 for him) and will be getting a kick kit from a clinic (clonodine,anti inflamatory and valium) i have also stocked up on kava kava, valarian, and mega green vitamins. Right now we are using percodan but are thinking of switching to heroin because the withdrawl time seems to be so much shorter even if it is more intense. any thoughts or advice.
Hi there everyone. I have been reading these messages for aboutthe last two months. And I finally took the leap and I am in the process of getting off of Lortab(Hydrocodone) addiction.
It has been almost a week sinve my last full day on the pills. A week ago today i was taking 6-8 pills a day sometimes more. The wednesday following that i broke down and took 1-1/2. Since wednesday I have not taken anything except the vitamins, vallium, and stuff listed in Thomas' recipe. My question is this.
How long does it take for the weird feeling in my stomach and the cold sweats to go away. I really feel like i am almost over the hump here. Would just be nice to havean indication of about how long i hace left.
Even though I have'nt gone through the entire thread yet(but I will) I did see the part where you wanted to detox yourself at home but couldn't tell the family(is this correct?) I am in a situation very similar. I'm addicted to Codeine and I have to get off of it. I can't tell my significant other or my 16 year old daughter that I screwed up again( they have been through this with me 2 or 3 times before when I entered hospitals to detox) once for booze, then for Xanex, then for codeine. I was on Librium for anxiety before my last detox and when I entered a facility for depression and to get off codeine, I was forced to get off the Librium too(it was horrible). That was just this past December of 2000. I ruined everyones Christmas! My daughter was devestated. I just can't bear to face her again with this and to go away and detox like before. She has problems of her own, serious ones and I need to be there for her, I don't want her to know that i let her down once again. Also, I'm responsable for taking care of her 78 year old grandmother (not my mother), cause nobody else in the family will do it. So, in light of all this, i want to detox myself at home, but I don't know how. I am going to Narcotics Anonymous meetings or AA meetings every day, but I haven't started to taper off the codeine yet. I wish someone could show me how to do this without my family finding out and keeping my sanity at the same time. This is a tall order! The one good thing is I have Klonipin for the anxiety, because recently i started having Panic attacks due to stress and the codeine. I have two different kinds of codeine pills. One is called Panadeine which is like Tylenol with codeine, only there are 8mg of codeine in each pill, and I have a ibuprofen/codeine combination that has 12 mg. of codeine each. Then there is the cough medicine I take that has 6mg of codeine per teaspoon. I've been alternating with these three things throughout my day and lose track of how much codeine I actually take in 24hrs, and I am going to start writing it down. My biggest fear is accidental overdose, but I still keep doing it and I need help badly. Please, can somebody show me how to get off of this ****, I'll even leave my email address if anyone who reads this wants to mail me any suggestions, and to benefit me with their own experiences. Please help! Liz ***@****
helo to you and your daughter!
how are things going? please post to us and let us know- we all
care very much!
just one more thing to pass on repeatedly to your daughter:
NOTHING NEW EVER HAPPENS IN THE WORLD OF DRUGS, except what happens
when you get off drugs.
keep those angels on your shoulders and let us know what is hap-
Thanks....You are too great.....love you all cin
hey there momma donna:
welcome to the forum(there is always room for one more!).
so your daughter wants off the big herion bird? your post
sounded as if you have the beginings. first of all: do not let
your daughter medicate herself!
now this next part isn't exactly legal so-- use your judegement.
injectable codiene (or codiene tablets oral)
lots of l-tyrosine (use Thomas's detox formula)
give just enough codiene to take the edge off (1-3 grains) im
only. taper this off rather rappidly.
administer the visteral liberally. again im only. if you give
her this stuff with codiene, she may not realise when she isn't
getting any codiene, and just visteral.
save the tranks and sleepers for later she (and maybe you) will
If your daughter wants to leave the house, let her. if she is
above legal age you can't hospitalise her against her will. if
she doesn'r want to talk or sleep or what ever, don't make her.
Momma your a RN so use your training and common sense here.
i won't bullshit you- both of you are in for the ride of your
life! Opiate detox (even heroin) won't kill you, it will make
you wish to die, but it rarely kills. monitor her blood pressure
and have cattapres (spelling) to keep it below the level that
her cranium might blow off. the first 72 hours are going to be
real bad. your daughter won't be lilely to walk off and score.
the following 2-3 weeks are when she will most likely relapse.
good luck and the speed of all the gods!
keep an angel on both your and her shoulder!
ps: post closer to the top, it makes your posting available
to more people--good luck and hope to hear more!!!
I wish Brighty were here...she had a daughter with heroin problems...I know how you feel,,,I am also a nurse and when my kids get hurt I scream for my husband...lose all professionalism...as far as detoxing from herion..is there any way you can convince her to go into a safe rehab facility? I don't know much about it...I did the demerol dance several years back and that alone was hell...Skipper may be the one to talk to....let me see if I can e-mail him for you hang tight Love to all cin
Hi , My daughter is at home with me and trying to detox from heroin. She last used yesterday, 1/4 of a pill. She has a couple of clonopins and I have ativan 1 mg and ambien 5 mg that I am hoping will help. She is very restless and feels feverish and just wants me to leave her alone. I am afraid that she will convulse and tried to get her to go to the hospital, but she doesn't want to. How can I help? I bought immodium and motrin and some vitamins niacin, mag and calcium but she doesn't want to take them due to nausea.
Any help anyone can give would truly be appreciated. I am an RN and feel so helpless to help even being in the medical profession doesn't prepare you for this and seeing someone you care for in such pain and discomfort. Thanks and God Bless!
You do what makes you Happy! Don't let a control freak run your life. I am sure trying to get off the pills isn't helping your mental and emotional state. But speaking from experience here.....If anything he says or does to you, doesn't make you feel good or better about yourself. If he cant' be there for you emotionally, physically and spiritually. YOU don't need him. He is just a leech who will suck the life out of you. Do for yourself. Make yourself number 1. He doesn't deserve someone like you. You are honest, compassionate and caring. Sounds to me he could take some cues from you. Be strong.....Susan
Yes..I do agree that what you do should be your decision. If a person is trying to force you to do what they think is best, they are not honoring and respecting your ability to determine your own life. That is called Control, and it ruins relationships.
Just take deep breaths, and be willing to feel your feelings. We've all used in order to stop the pain of the difficult feelings, but what happens when we do that, is that we only freeze the feelings, we don't get rid of them. So when we go off the drugs, the old feelings melt and are there to be felt, as well as any new feelings that are there. Tell yourself that you can get through the emotional pain. Do what you can to listen to your feelings, and learn the lessons they are trying to offer you. Affirm yourself, and your choices, and get a lot of support. Write, talk, and do whatever else you need to do to process through the emotions, without using.
And you know...this forum is for the entirety of what we go through in our addictions, and that includes exactly what you are talking about!
Remember to congratulate yourself for being drug free..claim your victory and stand your ground.
lots of love,
Well its been 14 days now and I feel pretty good, but I'm going through alot of emotional stuff right now and I need to vent. My dad's in the hospital and my boyfriend and I broke up last night because he INSISTS I get a full time job, probably making less money, than if I was to continue free-lancing and making much more....and I can be home with my kids when they get home from school. He stormed out of my house and told me he wont be with someone who isn't working full time....Shouldn't that be MY decision??? Shouldn't I be doing what makes Kristen happy??? I know this has nothing to do with using....but I'm feeling all this anxiety and abandonment and rejection and sadness and am scared....and when I usually feel all this stuff, i USE but I dont want to go there AGAIN!!!! Maybe someone has some advice....what do you do now that there are no drugs to mask this pain.....HELP HELP HELP!!!!
It's *great* to see you back and I hope you had a wonderful time!
I look forward to catching up with you. I wish I could say I was doing great, but as you'll see from a post above, I hit a bump.
I'm learning from it though, and trying to figure out if I can handle detoxing yet or not. It scares me so much, I can't find words to describe the fear..even though I know it won't kill me, I guess I'm just a huge pain wimp!
Blessings my friend. I see I have have much to catch up on since I've been gone. I was so glad to see your postings upon my return. Tells me we are still keeping each other "honest". LOL.
The wisdom you bring to the forum is very much appreciated :-)
"Knowledge" and "Truth" will set us free! I will catch up with you later!
Power & Magick 2 U always,
Peace & LIght 2 U 2,
Hey all I'm back from Vacation and trying to catch up on everyone.
Kristen, I read a post to me written on the 15th and I was gone till just now so sorry I didn't get to post back to you. It looks like you did get a great group to reply and I see a lot of new detoxers jumping in. Let me tell you and the others that you couldn't have found a better place to come to get the support before, during and after detox. It has been my lifeline for sure. Whenever I feel the need for the "Dragon" I come here to keep myself honest as W.W. says. IT WORKS!
Schlub,GJ,ib welcome and stick around as I think you'll find a turning point for all of you here. Sometimes it comes fast, sometimes slow but it DOES come.
To all my other "angel" friends here hello! I missed you all but never ceased thinking about you and praying for all of us! I'll catch up with you all as I can!
Power & Magick @ U all,
Peace & Light 2 U 2,
And the same to you, my friend.
My God, the power we have to help heal each other is a wonder to behold. There is no fate except what we make for ourselves, and here in this forum we are each of us making new healthy lives for ourselves. Bless us all; look at what we are accomplishing!