methadone cold turkey

[mitch4163]

what is suboxone, and how does it work?

[mitch4163]

bettermomma,what does private reply mean? thanks,  mitch

[mitch4163]

Do Subs allow orgasmic ejaculation?  How about constipation?  thanks, mitch

[mitch4163]

Thanks, Hllaatme, Cold Turkey has been pretty easy thanks to an Rx for hydrOXYzine, about 6 to 8 25 mg. tablets  a day.  My ? now, is there a med, stronger than codeine,vs. neuropathy pain, that will allow my renewed orgasmic joy to continue, after all these years?  I use 100 mg. Viagra for each lovemaking, $1.25 a pill from India Generics. thanks to all, mitch

[mitch4163]

Thanks, blueer.  From 70mg. down to 40. Yes, it's my first time on this site.  I've had two root canals this week, so have temporarily substituted codeine for methadone. Wonderfully, it allows me to have orgasmic ejaculations again, after about 5 yrs. of great lovemaking, but without O. But the pain relief is ok but not as  great on my neuropathy. Any suggestions on a med stronger than codeine, but not methadone, that will take away more of the pain, but still allow orgasms?
By the way, alot of the horrible constipation from methadone is relieved.
More ?'s:  Is marijuana generally a sexual enhancer for men and women?
Also, what is "Ecststacy ? If Ecstasy, is it legal, and how does it affect sex/lovemaking in men/women??  thanks, mitch

[gnarly_1]

HI......well coming off ether one of these drugs is hard I came off 150mg of methadone it took me 8 1/2 mo of tapering going in and out of withdrawals it was no fun at all + the recovery time was another 90 days now all I know about sub is what I have learned over the 2 1/2 yrs on this forum for the most part itt seams to be ez to get off although we have had plenty of members suffer for 2 or 3 weeks coming off the sub some jumped at 2mg and did fine others took it down to crumbs and went threw hell to get clean but 3 weeks beats the hell out of 3 mo for recovery I guess it a choice everyone has to make  all im saying is methadone is a monster to kick good luck to all that try........Gnarly

[blueer]

Its nearly always been Heroin for me, with few valium thrown in for good measure, I had 3 year crack binge a few years back too.lol I was on the Heroin for 20 years though. I only used the Methadone for a two week detox in housse to come off heroin,

[Addicted2long]

Well to be totally honest with you the suboxone didn't work for me lol. I ended up relapsing after that and was using for about 9 months before I quit cold turkey. I've now been clean about 3 months so its going great. I don't think its so much that the sub didn't work as that I wasn't ready to quit at that point. Now I'm focused on my recovery and doing all the right things I never did before like NA meetings, therapy, and excersize. Its been a long journey for me.over 8 years. I just got sick n tired of being sick! I've been on every opiate there is but lastly I switched to heroin about 2 grams a day! Ya it was bad..the pills no longer worked for me and I was out of control. I thought i was a lost cause. Anything is possible that's for sure. What was your doc before the meth?

[blueer]

I was on 16mg per day. I found it quite easy getting down to 4mg, then from there i used to feel each drop. Where i am they generally only prescribe upto 16mg per day. They say you dont get then opiate blocker effect unless you are on 16mg a day. I also dont see the point of going up to 24_32mg. From everything i have learned nobody should need more than 16mg. I am glad to hear that they worked for you my friend. How are you doing now? blue

[Addicted2long]

Wow ya 2 years is a long time to be on subs and would definitely be harder than someone coming off who used them for a month. Do you mind if i ask how much you were prescribed? I have found over the years after using subs numerous times that the dosage really doesn't matter that much. I've heard and seen of people with habits smaller than mine coming off 24 or 32mg a day. That's crazy! Even when I was doing 2 grams of good IV heroin a day I was able to use 2-4 mg's sub a day for a week or two and then ween down to nothing. Like you said everyone is different and nobody detoxes the same. I don't know the details of how much methadone he was on.and for how long so its hard time say what the best approach is for him.

[blueer]

My experience of subs was totally opposite to yours,however, i was on it for two years then tapered down to 0.2! Still had to do the c/t. I must admit though, i have heard of a lot of people who have had an easier time coming off subs when they have only used them for 21 days or less. In fact, that is how they were designed to be used. They were not originally designed to be used for long term maintanence. On methedone, just using it for a two week taper to get off heroin, i found the taper fairly easy, compared to going c/t anyway. I think everyone is different when it comes to the severity of symptoms during detox. I am sure that i am not telling you anything you dont know already, but there are a lot of variables involved when it comes to detoxing from any opiates. The more knowledge we can all share on these forums the better, for all of us. Take it easy. Blue

[Addicted2long]

I have also come off both drugs at different times and in my opinion getting off subs was a walk in the park compared to methadone. You are able to more easily control your dose on Subs and ween off with little to no pain. For someone who has been on methadone for many years even tapering down to a low dose like 5mg is hell to come off CT. Taking 2-4mg of sub a day is what I did and I was only on it for 2 weeks before getting off that entirely. Tapering methadone can be very painful and every drop in dose is noticed. Especially once you get below 20mg. It all depends on the person. If you can handle CT after weening down by all means go for that. But if not sub would help you.

[bettermomma]

I agree with blue, sorry guys, I've had too much detox hell from abusing both drugs, that I just can't endorse or condone use of either one. Subs half life, isn't worth even starting the drug.


Sorry
Momma

PS. Mitch message me anytime and I can give you in depth description, ups and downs of both types of subs. It's very important that you get rid of the methadone! I can't stress that to anyone enough! Private message me.

[blueer]

I have to disagree with both of you. Yes subs can stabalise your life, if you are a drug ABUSING addict. So can Methadone. Both of them are bad drugs when it comes to getting off them. Speaking from personal experience of detoxing off of both, at different times! I would say that tapering off Methadone was much easier than tapering off subs. I would not recomend going c/t off Methadone or Subs. In my opinion, if your goal is to detox, there is no point swapping one for the other. You will only be going from bad to worse.

[Addicted2long]

I also agree that suboxone would be a good idea because I know how hard it is to quit methadone CT.  A lot of people think it's just like any other opiate and it's not that sh it gets in your bones and fatty tissues its nasty. You could switch to suboxone for a few weeks and then ween off that. But remember this is very important..u must wait 72 hours after taking methadone before sub. Some people will tell you less but trust me that is the minimum if you've make taking meth for awhile it takes awhile to get out of your system. Getting off the methadone should be your only concern right now. Good luck in whatever.you may choose to do. A2L

[Hollaatme]

Hey Mitch...actually I disagree.....I think that getting off of methadone should be your #1 priority ...suboxone or subutex is alot better in my opinion. It is easier (tho not easy) to get off of than methadone and supplies a much much more normal stable life. I switched from 5 yrs of methadone to subutex and now suboxone and am so happy I did. Look its not a miracle drug in the sense of solving all ur problems...BUT it is a way out of the daily or weekly visits to the clinic and the tendancy to steal the life out of u like methadone does. If u can go cold Turkey from methadone then more power to u...but most people don't realize how impossible it is to get off methadone. Good luck...message me anytime

[blueer]

Hey mitch, suboxone is just another opiate subsitute, it just works in a different way to methadone. I would not recomend that you swap from Methadone to Suboxone. I posted on your other thread earlier, asking if you could give us a little bit more info on on what you are taking and for how long. Is this the first time you have used this site? Be patient my friend, you will get people replying to your posts.