What does "kicking" mean? (heroin)

[sadmom999]

Quick question, my daughter texted me and said she relapsed and has been "kicking" for the last 3 days, what does that mean?  Using?  Or withdrawing?  She's calling me in a few minutes...  Thanks.

[sadmom999]

Debbie, I knew you know the story, but wanted to make sure everyone else did :-)

[akitagurl12]

As hard as it is, I agree that not giving her any money right now is a good thing.  It may help her hit her own personal bottom and wake up that things have to change.  Drug addicts, (Myself included) can be very good at maniupulating those closest to us because we are desperate.  She won't starve.  There are food pantries around.  She doesn't have to sleep outside,  There are shelters and friend's houses.  And even without insurance or money, if she walks into a hospital ER in the middle of withdrawal, I believe that have to take her in so she will at the very least get a couple of days in a hospital to detox.  And I think there is alot of free help out there, but she needs to really want it for real.  Sending prayers your way.  I know how hard this is for you and her.  

[atthebeach]

I knew it was hers. I said when she asked you for money she hadn't known that you knew she had money the day before if she had pawned her computer.

[sadmom999]

I don't think I made myself clear, it was her own laptop she pawned.  We had asked her boyfriend to mail it to us so that wouldn't happen but she got to it before we could.

[atthebeach]

Jane, I guess she didn't know you knew about the computer. I also wondered myself about the money from that?
Still praying and believing. Don't loose hope....
Let go and let GOD
Hugs
Debbie

[sadmom999]

I'm pretty sure she was just lying and trying to get money out of us.  She said she's trying to figure out a way to stay in a hotel for a week while she finishes detoxing because she can't take the stress of being around her boyfriend right now.  Then I asked her does she still have the laptop she ransacked her apartment for 2 days ago (her boyfriend had hidden it) and she never wrote me back again.  It really doesn't make sense that she pawned an almost new apple laptop 2 days ago but she's been detoxing for 3 days. Glad I didn't get my hopes up too far.  That's one lesson I've learned, just because you want to believe something doesn't make it true. Thanks everyone for the advice,  hopefully we can use it later, if/when she decides to really quit.

Jane

[littlebit667]

small steps, small steps!  I know you are hoping and praying she makes it this time.  At least she is trying and that is wonderful.  Keep talking to her!!  

[sadmom999]

Debbie,

She hasn't said yet.  She is supposed to be calling me to talk but hasn't yet.  I will let you know.  Hopefully this is for real.

[atthebeach]

hey my friend,
this is great news. with no money from you, unless she starts stealing detox is her only option. did she let you know where she is detoxing at?

[sadmom999]

Yep, that's the issue.  We have no way of controlling what she does with our help or knowing where it goes.  Thank you so much for the advice.  You and others here have been sooo unselfish and helpful.  You are saving lives... MedHelp is the best!!!  

[ricart70]

Oh   yea that is a problem.  If you got her a gift card she could easily sell it.Sorry about all of the trouble  and anguish you are experiencing.

[sadmom999]

I wish we lived closer to her, she's all the way across the country from us.  I don't know how to give her food without giving her cash.  Ugh.

[ricart70]

It is a slippery slope on helping someone and helping them to keep using.I know as I have been on both ends of the  deal. If you could help only in food and items or bills and not give any cash ,I guess that would be the best.Sorry you are having to go through this but those narconon or alanon meetings could give you some ideas and make you not feel so isolated in all of this

[sadmom999]

She has no money and we don't want to give her any because we do not want to enable her, but she needs to live.  We really don't know what to do.  We haven't been to meetings but I keep wanting to, just never made it yet.

  

[ricart70]

She is probably still detoxing from the methadone as it takes a few months to get back to normal from it because of the very long half life of the methadone.Her being young will help all of this tremendously .3 days is good and things should be getting better soon slowly but surely.Just try and support her and hope she stays clean.That is all you can really do.Have you ever attended any narconon mettings.

[sadmom999]

She really needs inpatient rehab since she got kicked out of one and then stopped going to intensive outpatient... How do we get to telling her this?  Now or wait till the withdrawal is done?  I think now but don't want to add stress if she's moving in the right direction...  advice?

[sadmom999]

Thanks for the info.  She detoxed originally a few weeks ago, coming off 80 mg. of methadone, using heroin on top of it.  I really hope this time it is less torture.  She spent a week in the hospital detox so drugged, so she wouldn't seizure, her voice sounded like Mickey Mouse.  About how long does w/d take with a relapse if its "only" heroin and not methadone?  "Only" sounds like I think it isn't bad, believe me I know it is...

Jane

[Addicted2long]

She's not using.and.going.through hell. I am ex heroin addict she will be very sick for a few days. The wd off heroin is something nasty just be there for her and motivate her to keep going don't make her feel guilty or shell give in and keep using. Push her towards getting clean and tell her it won't last much longer and to take one minute at a time. Good luck

[sadmom999]

Thanks.  It does help a lot.

Jane

[ricart70]

that means she has quit and is in withdrawal.Hope this helps