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Hives and Severe Joint Pain
My son 15, had hives last week. Severe hives moving from one part of his body to another. He was on a medication just prior to this called Solodyn (for acne). (We stopped the Solodyn about a week ago when the rash first appeared.) The doctors aren't sure if that is what triggered this. The hives a week later have slowed up but we are now having severe joint pain. The joint pain also moves daily from one area of his body to the other. One day it is on the right side affecting his hands and feet mostly, then the next day it is on the other side. Sparadically it become so severe he can't walk on that foot or write with that hand. He is on Clarinex and Allegra now due to the rash. It does help but occassionally that rash will reappear for a few hours then gone again. I am truly concerned about the joint pain, because it isn't minor, it is debilitating for him. Please let me know if there is something that we are overlooking. I have found individuals on the internet that have these same problems but no way to ask them what the cure was. Please help.
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I too have issues with joint pain. and hives. The sad thing is only 20-30% of people actually figure out what is the cause. Has your son had any surgerys lately? Mine started when I was about 14-15 years old, and I am now 29 and still having issues. I think we are finally figuring out why though.
Having had several tick bites this summer, I am sensitized to the issue of Lyme Disease. The variability of the symptoms (e.g., moving from one side of the body to the other) is characteristic of this diagnosis. Since deer ticks are so tiny, it is not always possible to know if a bite has occurred.
Do you live in a state (such as in the NE) where Lyme Disease is prevalent and/or has you son been in a wooded area?
I mention this possibility, since early treatment with an antibiotic is important to cure what can otherwise be a chronic disease.
Please keep in mind that I offer this suggestion within the context of my patient experience. Since you stated concern about not overlooking anything, I would suggest that you research the web-sites which deal with Lyme Disease to determine whether it would be worthwhile to include this.
I am so sorry that your son is having such a difficult time. I hope that he will feel much better soon.
Do you live in a state (such as in the NE) where Lyme Disease is prevalent and/or has you son been in a wooded area?
I mention this possibility, since early treatment with an antibiotic is important to cure what can otherwise be a chronic disease.
Please keep in mind that I offer this suggestion within the context of my patient experience. Since you stated concern about not overlooking anything, I would suggest that you research the web-sites which deal with Lyme Disease to determine whether it would be worthwhile to include this.
I am so sorry that your son is having such a difficult time. I hope that he will feel much better soon.
Thank you for your comments.
This all started with my son taking an antibodic for his acne. We have had test this week for about 8 different kinds of illnesses and the only one that showed anythng was his thyroid was low. The physician said this could be due to all the sickness he has had over the past 10-12 days. We recheck that in about 4-6 weeks to as a precaution. We started a steroid pack and he started to get better. But...now that he is coming to the smaller doseages of it his pain is returning in his left shoulder and arm. Laura what do you think you are going to find on yourself. This is so long for you to have to deal with this unanswered. Also Jeanne, one of the test was for lyme and it was negative, but alot of my research shows that lyme doesn't test postive at first. Thank you both for your comments.
This all started with my son taking an antibodic for his acne. We have had test this week for about 8 different kinds of illnesses and the only one that showed anythng was his thyroid was low. The physician said this could be due to all the sickness he has had over the past 10-12 days. We recheck that in about 4-6 weeks to as a precaution. We started a steroid pack and he started to get better. But...now that he is coming to the smaller doseages of it his pain is returning in his left shoulder and arm. Laura what do you think you are going to find on yourself. This is so long for you to have to deal with this unanswered. Also Jeanne, one of the test was for lyme and it was negative, but alot of my research shows that lyme doesn't test postive at first. Thank you both for your comments.
Please look into the Autoimmune and Rhumetology forums. I get Chronic Hives and was researching it when I came across a forum where Dr.s have linked hives to (other than food, drug or seasonal allergies) autoimmune disorders, liver problems, Rhumetoid Arthritis (chronic joint pain) among others. I don't want to scare you but it is just something to think about. We have a history of Rhumetoid Arthitris in my family and I was schocked to read that hives can be a underlying sympton of something other than allergies!!!! I am going to look more into it and do more research however, I thought that might be a good place for you to start if you aren't getting any answers and you want to continue to research and advocate for your son's health.
Much love and God Bless!
Born Free
Much love and God Bless!
Born Free
I have autoimmune disease, but this boy doesn't have the length of time of hives. He just had them for a week. Chronic Hives is usually Hives that last more then a six week period, and he only had them a week. Also auto immune disorders don't usually happen in males. They can, but not as often as females. My great grandmother had auto immune disease and lived to 94, so having it isn't a death sentence. My grandma also has it and she still walks 6 miles a day at age 80. My mother has it and shes almost 60, then there is me.
I have been to so many docs in the past 13 years that I couldn't count them anymore. All docs ever want to do is band-aid the problem by using high doses of allegra. If I were you I would do some more checking into the allergy side of things. Heres the thing that I learned. About two weeks ago I had all the skin allergy tests performed including foods. All foods came back fine. Well another doc had me do some blood work and stool sample and send it to the rocky mountain labs to get tested. It turned out that I have low allergys to many many foods. This is why they won't show up on skin allergy test. Heres the thing I took those foods out and my angioedema went away for the first time in 13 years for two weeks. Then one day I decided to test it and I ate a bunch of stuff that I had low allergy to and sure enough I had 7 knots that night. I get my angioedma at night so what is happening is say I eat sandwich with bread, then at dinner I eat a roll and something with sugar in it, then I have eatten too much and caused my low allergy to build up, and that is why my angioedma happens at night. Another thing to realize is only 20% of people will find out what causes hives. This is partly because docs just don't know much about it yet. Here is my low allergy's.
glutin, yeast, cane sugar, alfafa, string beans, turkey, soy, and a couple of others that I can't remember right now. I would so recommend getting this done. Your hospitals can draw the blood for you and you send it off yourself to the lab. You have to get the kit that includes the tubes for the blood. In all for my testing kits for stool and blood it was 251.00. Well worth the price. Also there is another lab that tests for spices, additives. What I have found is you can't say it's not an allergy because you could be allergic to additive or MSG. I believe that you need to look further into getting my indepth allergy tests done. I also have auto immune that came back as positive with blood tests, and my liver test was a little higher then normal. My IGG level was 122.
One other thing to remember is you could even have an allergy to chemicals or carpets. I would do some more checking before you let a doc tell you that you have to live with them.
Heck I even had a doc that wanted to put me on cemo for my positive auto immune disease because he said something about the chronic hives. Good thing I didn't do it. Go find yourself a doc that deals with natural stuff and you will get some more answers. I am a personal believer in these types of docs because my father has had lyukemia for three years now and has never been on cemo or anything. His levels don't change, and are actually a little better. This is due to the fact that he takes lots of vitamins and eats fruits and veggies like blackberrys, blueberries, tomaotes, and others.
Just remember docs are just now starting to find SOME answers to hives and angioedema, and you need to find a doc that knows about it.
I have been to so many docs in the past 13 years that I couldn't count them anymore. All docs ever want to do is band-aid the problem by using high doses of allegra. If I were you I would do some more checking into the allergy side of things. Heres the thing that I learned. About two weeks ago I had all the skin allergy tests performed including foods. All foods came back fine. Well another doc had me do some blood work and stool sample and send it to the rocky mountain labs to get tested. It turned out that I have low allergys to many many foods. This is why they won't show up on skin allergy test. Heres the thing I took those foods out and my angioedema went away for the first time in 13 years for two weeks. Then one day I decided to test it and I ate a bunch of stuff that I had low allergy to and sure enough I had 7 knots that night. I get my angioedma at night so what is happening is say I eat sandwich with bread, then at dinner I eat a roll and something with sugar in it, then I have eatten too much and caused my low allergy to build up, and that is why my angioedma happens at night. Another thing to realize is only 20% of people will find out what causes hives. This is partly because docs just don't know much about it yet. Here is my low allergy's.
glutin, yeast, cane sugar, alfafa, string beans, turkey, soy, and a couple of others that I can't remember right now. I would so recommend getting this done. Your hospitals can draw the blood for you and you send it off yourself to the lab. You have to get the kit that includes the tubes for the blood. In all for my testing kits for stool and blood it was 251.00. Well worth the price. Also there is another lab that tests for spices, additives. What I have found is you can't say it's not an allergy because you could be allergic to additive or MSG. I believe that you need to look further into getting my indepth allergy tests done. I also have auto immune that came back as positive with blood tests, and my liver test was a little higher then normal. My IGG level was 122.
One other thing to remember is you could even have an allergy to chemicals or carpets. I would do some more checking before you let a doc tell you that you have to live with them.
Heck I even had a doc that wanted to put me on cemo for my positive auto immune disease because he said something about the chronic hives. Good thing I didn't do it. Go find yourself a doc that deals with natural stuff and you will get some more answers. I am a personal believer in these types of docs because my father has had lyukemia for three years now and has never been on cemo or anything. His levels don't change, and are actually a little better. This is due to the fact that he takes lots of vitamins and eats fruits and veggies like blackberrys, blueberries, tomaotes, and others.
Just remember docs are just now starting to find SOME answers to hives and angioedema, and you need to find a doc that knows about it.
I have had severe pain in my left arm - shoulder to wrist/thumb. i had it on my right arm about a week or less ago. i also have hives/welts and itching all over my body.
My daughter who is seven years old has very similiar symptoms to the ones you described for your son. She had a bladder infection and was just finishing an antibiotic when her rash showed up it quickly turned into severe joint pain and hives. The joint pain would migrate from one spot to another. One day she can not walk and bend her knees the next she seems to be fine. We are going to meet with a rhumetoid specialist tomorrow. I would like to know what outcomes you experienced with your son.
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i know this from 2008 but what did the specialist say. I had a bladder infection as well and theyre assuming its a reaction but I don't think so I haven't had the meds for over 4 days and im still dealing with it. any kind of idea of this would be helpful
I am battling this also mostly chronic Hives, this appeared about 6 weeks ago after I had taken anti biotics and had a Root canal, I have been tring to find out all I can I too have had no luck with Doctors , One gave me Hydroxyzine which is a relaxant but also used as an anti hisimine, 10 days in I got a severe right sided chest pain I thought I was having a all Bladder Attack, did some research and Hydroxyzine can cause Virus Infections,The hives change they have gone from huge raised wheals ,if you dare scratch even a little , they burn and come up like a nettle Rash. I Have also heard of a lot of people of all ages coming Down with the same thing, my conclusion now is it has to be a Virus or an enviromental agent, I see they are spraying that Toxic stuff everywhere for the Mosquitos, Malathyon I think its called I am going to see if there are any reactions to that.I have tried changing everything , creams Laundrty stuff,Shampoo, everything,Even considered having the root canal tooth removed.
Hey, I'm sorry to hear your son is going through what I'm going through. My rashes (due to solodyn) are coming and going, but the joint pain is absolutely unbelievable. In fact, right now I'm in my bed and am unable to walk. I can hardly roll myself over. This is significant. I'm 23, and in good shape. I'm totally disabled by this joint pain. How long does it last? Should I go to a hospital? IS there anything that works? I'm taking IBprofen.
Hi there! My son had the same symptoms at age 4. He had just finished an antibiotic, that should be off the market, called cefaclor. It mimics juvenile rhumetoid arthritis. His joints swelled, could not walk and came out with a rash that continued on an off for a year. I hope you daughter will be ok
I have had chronic hives for the past 7 months. As usual, the doc say that it is idiopathic and ramp up the antihistamines. I started having severe joint pain about two months ago and am scheduled to see Rheumatology. I decided to go see a holistic doctor and took all the blood work I had for the past 6 months. He found that my ratio for white blood cells was out of balance and said it indicated a bacterial infection in my digestive system. A small amount of apple cider vinegar each day has kept the hives away. He stated that my joint pain was due to the overuse of antihistamines. Bottom line, I would highly recommend going to a competent holistic doc in your area for a second opinion. This condition doesn't seem to be a concern of the traditional health system.
I started breaking out in Hives in my early 30's now in my late 30's I have been to allergist, dermatologist, and finally rheumatologist. The steriod packs only helped for a short time and the hives would start coming back earlier and earlier. My eyes, lips, fingers and knees will swell sometimes and I have even gotten hives underneath my feet. Although I tested positive for the rheumadoid factor I do not have it. But my cousin has the same problems. This all seems to stem from some type of reaction to antibotics. And I can remember taking a round before this started. I will you good luck in your venture. The doctor I see wants to say I have hypocomplementemic urticarial vasculitis.I can go for months with none and then I will get stressed or not taking care of myself and they will come out.
I was wondering if you found out anything about your daughters hives and joint pain. My daughter is 8, she was on omnicef for strep throat back in January and developed hives and had severe joint pain for over a week. Yesterday, she started on azithromycin for another round of strep throat and started breaking out in hives again this morning. Her joints are now swelling. We'd love to get to the bottom of whatever's causing this. It doesn't seem possible that she would be allergic to both antibiotics.
I am interested in learning more about where you sent your labwork to. I have heard of this low allergy before and I believe that to be the case with me, since I clearly have many food sensitivities. The allergist is no help in this regard. I've had to try to discover them on my own. I'm clearly still missing something, though, since I'm still getting reactions. I've learned about some other labs, but they cost a lot more. Do you have a link to this lab you're talking about that I might check them out for myself?
Looking at the side-effects of Solodyn; joint pain is a side effect. I use Solodyn and take Celebrex for the pain. The Celebrex has helped a lot. Just a thought. I have used Celebrex on and off for 6 years and have no ill effects. It is way better than ibuprofen, Alleve and the like. It doesn't irritate my stomach and does not make you drowsy or anything. Obviously there is an underlying cause for your son's ailments, but immediate relief of symptoms while you are dealing with the underlying cause is a good thing. Also, Allegra gave me severe back pain. Just something else to consider. Good luck.
Jbenton, I am having the same symptoms right now as your son had. I spent 5 hrs. in the hospital emergency ward yesterday only to get "it could be an allergy" "and take anithistimine and Advil". I had these same symptoms about 15 years ago while I was taking penicillin. I have since then never taken any penicillin again and have had no problems like this until now. This time I haven't a clue on how it happened. I'm not taking any medications that I haven't been on for years. It started with a heat rash, itchy, then hives on my face and red bloches all over my body. The joints started hurting after that, first with the thumbs on both hands. I couldn't even turn on the tap. It then affected one knee and my left arm up into the shoulder. Last night at the hospital it started affecting my ankles and still hurt there. My skin feels tight - like when you get a sunburn and I get tingling in my hands like they are asleep. My toes hurt as well. As jbenton said - it travels around the body, when one part starts to feel better another starts to hurt. It is very debilitating. I'm in a lot of pain and feeling very uncomfortable. I'm having trouble walking and even typing hurts.
The hospital is referring me to another doctor. I have environmental allergies. I was digging in the dirt a couple of days ago and wondered if that had anything to do with it. I wish I could get an answer. The last time it took weeks to recover. I have hives periodically without the joint pain and use antihistimines to help that, but it is the joint pain that I'm troubles me.
Any suggestions? I have been reading the above, but it doesn't look like there are any answers. It looks like it is time to get allergy tested again.
The hospital is referring me to another doctor. I have environmental allergies. I was digging in the dirt a couple of days ago and wondered if that had anything to do with it. I wish I could get an answer. The last time it took weeks to recover. I have hives periodically without the joint pain and use antihistimines to help that, but it is the joint pain that I'm troubles me.
Any suggestions? I have been reading the above, but it doesn't look like there are any answers. It looks like it is time to get allergy tested again.
I was diagnosed with ITP (low platelet disorder) over a year ago. I've been on prednisone, low dose for over a year for treatment. About two weeks ago, I started having flu-like symptoms, and then severe hives. Now in addition to the hives, I'm having severe joint pain. It moves around, but today it's in my toes and right knee. I can hardly walk it's so painful. I've been to a hematologist & allergist, and they just say it's because of my ITP, and they increased my prednisone & put me on all sorts of allergy medicine. Nothing is working. I don't know what's causing the hives, but the joint pain is almost unbearable
My 8 year old son was recently diagnosed with peanut/nut/environmental allergies and started taking amoxocillan for a sinus infection for 10 days. The last day of the medicine he coincindently broke out with hives from what I thought could've been a cupcake that he ate (he's never broken out from food before). That same night, he started taking zyrtec. He took it for two nights and on the third day started complaing his wrists/ankles/feet hurt and his hands became clenched like claws. I took him to the E/R because he could hardly walk. The doctor there said it was an allergic reaction to the zyrtec. Gave him Benadryl and after an hour it looked like the swelling on his ankles went down, so they sent him home. The next day he appeared slightly better but by the late afternoon he could hardly walk again. This has gone on for 4 days of looking like he's getting better but then it comes back, especially the claw like hands. And now he has a low grade fever. His pediatrician says it was an allergic reaction to the antibiotic and sent him for bloodwork. Went to the allergist today and he said they were both wrong and its Parvo Virus Infection. I don't know who to believe. I a waiting for the blood work for some answers. Has anyone ever had this happen to their child also?
I'm a 30 year old male. I went out to eat with my wife on a Friday night and shared a bottle of wine and some fruit. Later that evening I started breaking out with hives. It was Tuesday and I couldn't stand it any longer. So, I went to a medical clinic. They gave me a steriod shot and gave me a Px of Prednisone (20mg) 2 a day for 5 days then 1 a day for 5 days. That very next day I started having servere joint pain as described above, I immediatly stopped taking prednisone. I was out of work for a week. I went to the ER around 0400hrs one morning. They put me on an IV with moraphine and Px with more Prednisone and Lortab.
I did a little research on Prednisone and it states that if you have had a history of malaria then your dosage should be reduced or you should be tested first. None of these things happened. I'm thinking law-suit. Do Docs know what they are doing anymore? I have an appt. tomorrow, we'll see.
I'm back at work still itching, joints hurt, no Lortab (just took the edge off) and wondering what the heck is wrong with me.
I did a little research on Prednisone and it states that if you have had a history of malaria then your dosage should be reduced or you should be tested first. None of these things happened. I'm thinking law-suit. Do Docs know what they are doing anymore? I have an appt. tomorrow, we'll see.
I'm back at work still itching, joints hurt, no Lortab (just took the edge off) and wondering what the heck is wrong with me.
Me again. I wrote last May that I had severe allergic reaction to something. Never figured out what it was, but I feel fine now. Went to allergist and had tests and she couldn't tell me either. I have allergies, but nothing that would cause the hives and pain I had. I figure there is something in my system that reacts to whatever?? Who knows. I'm currently on anti-biotics as I have strep throat so we will see what happens after this week. But as I said, seems to have gone away, took a couple of weeks to recover, but not as severe as the first time.
Last week we flew from Chicago to Aruba. After the first day my son had what we thought was sun poisoning with fever and rash. He spiked a 103 fever and then the next day felt great. Fever free he went down to the pool and enjoyed his day, but night he had a fever and more rash. By the 4th day of our trip my son had fever, HUGE hives (pink patches the size of my palm) on his upper legs, stomach, back and his knees and ankes were swollen and his was in so much pain that when I "made" him stand to show me he puked. He is 3 1/2 I have NEVER seen anything like this. We took him right to the emergency room where they called it an allergic reaction. The next morning he woke and after awhile could walk and seemed fine, then again that night everything flared up in his knees and ankles again and he couldn't walk, just a little rash this time. He has NO known allergies or other health problems.In the past he has complained in the morning or after activity that his legs hurt, he won't walk down the stairs on his own some mornings crying that he can't do it. We always just thought he was faking it. Doctors are trying to tell us it is viral, but it was all too strange. The weather change was dramatic and I have a slight form of arthritis from 3 knee surgeries and it acted up badly while in Aruba. Does anyone out there have a similar story where thier child ended up with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis?? My doctor doesn't sound convinced, but I am worried. She has agreed to do a blood work up on him within the next two weeks. THANKS in advance for any info you can provide me with!
1.jordygoose-- parvo virus usually does not have the joint pain and swelling
2. momo..i've seen viral reactions that act like jeuvenile arthritis. my 2 1/2 yr old experienced this for about 4 mos, it went away and never returned.
2. momo..i've seen viral reactions that act like jeuvenile arthritis. my 2 1/2 yr old experienced this for about 4 mos, it went away and never returned.
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