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Need to figure out who is the father and or Ravgen gave me false results
So my last LMP was August 19 ( usually my periods last for only 2-3 days and cycle 30 days ) then I’ve been with my boyfriend from 08/21-09/03 and we didn’t use protection however I did a stupid mistake and was with my ex on 09/06 and used protection I dong recall it flip or brake . Then I start taking tests and had negatives on 09/12 I had slight nausea and sore breasts but didn’t test on 09/15 I felt weird and decided to take a test it was positive around 7 pm . 09/18 I went to my OB he confirmed me being pregnant and did an internal ultrasound couldn’t see anything just thick endometrium no cyst no sac so he had me to come back 10/02 ( which was 6 w 2 d after my last LMP with conception of 09/02 ) when he did another internal scan he seen sac , yolk sac and a baby 0.56 mm with heartbeat of around 80 and machine put me on 6w2d ( edd 05/26 ) where I should have been without entering my LMP but doc said heartbeat is very low and come again 10/09 so I did that time I’ve got measured 1.29 and 1.44 cm with normal heart rate and 7w4d which was 2 days further ( so my edd came to 05/24 ) . After all I couldn’t stop thinking and had my bf do prenatal test with me with RAVGEN he did Cheek swab and I did blood draw at my doc office a week later I’ve got a call from Ravgen that my bf is excluded so I asked them to rerun test or add my ex they said they rerun my bf dna again so after 4 days I’ve got call and was told that now my bf leans towards match and was asked to get another blood draw from the lab they send me ( because they said that apperently there was not enough fetal dna in my blood so need to do it again and possibly because my doc nurses where doing blood draw for paternity test for the first time they did add incorrectly some special thing to my blood that Ravgen sent to them but no need to test another guy ) so I did another blood draw after that I’ve got a call confirming my bf is the father and they sent me a certificate of the analysis but there is no signature nor SNPS where child and him are matching . Just words stating he can’t be excluded because of probability higher than 99.0% and if I want to confirm definitive results has to be done after birth so now i don’t know or Can I trust that ?
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You could, but since the result shows the dad is 99% the father, I don't know why you would. Maybe after the birth, to prove paternity legally.
My test siad that the alleged father CANNOT be excluded as the biological father of the fetus carried by the pregnant mother the probability that the alleged father is the biological father of the fetus 99.0%
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And, so that sounds consistent. Are you confused about what "cannot be excluded" means? Excluded means eliminated from the list of possible fathers. Saying a guy "cannot be excluded as the father" means, that nobody could use this evidence to eliminate him from the role of father, because it shows 99% that he is the father.
Yes I test with Ravgen and my test came back that I father I test cannot be excluded as the biological father of the fetus carried by the pregnant mother the probability that the allele alleged father is the biological father of the fetus is 99.0%
I used ravgen for my pregnancy and they were 100% correct . My daughter is here and I’m happy I didn’t abort her. I called them weekly freaking out for 9 months but they were always so nice . Jon who is the lab director was fantastic at answering all my questions. I’m so happy a test like this exist or my child would not be here . Feel free anyone worried to message me anytime and ask questions . I know what the stress was like
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Did your test results 99.0% that he is the biological father of the fetus carried by the pregnant mother the probability that the alleged father CANNOT be excluded as biological father
Joj, I thought in your other post that you were asking if one guy gets a 99% chance of being the dad, does this mean person B has 1% chance to be the dad. But here, it looks like you are asking if a 99% chance of being the dad means a 99% chance the (same) guy can't be excluded. If so, yes. 99% in a DNA test (as long as it's from a good lab) means certain. If you have had a test done by a top quality lab like Ravgen or the DDC, and it said someone is 99% sure to be the dad, take that as a guarantee.
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Hi, Denise, OK, let's sort this out -- when you said above, "I also called DDC and was told they should have given me first results as inconclusive not EXCLUSION," you were actually not saying that Ravgen did give you an exclusion? Hm. It would help a lot in trying to figure things out if you stick with what happened, not things as you filtered them later during your pregnancy through the lens of worry and anxiety. (It probably wasn't such a hot idea to call DDC and tell them Ravgen gave you an exclusion when they only gave you an inconclusive, either, but oh, well, they probably get all kinds of calls.)
Anyway, this is obviously an anxious issue for you, but at least you did do one thing totally right, which is, you did not hide from your boyfriend that you felt there was a need to test. You're way ahead of some of the women on the site in this regard. You cannot believe the grief they put themselves under through their intense need to hide their actions.
So, let's see what we have. (Some of this is from above, I'm just collecting it in one place.)
- You and your ex used protection, and
you don't recall it slipping or breaking
- You got your positive pregnancy test on the 15th -- 9 days would be very early to show a pregnancy from September 6, especially since you didn't use concentrated first-morning urine. (To me, this is enough to prove you were already pregnant before the 6th.)
- Your first test from Ravgen didn't say your boyfriend was excluded, it just didn't have enough DNA
- They re-ran blood from that draw and said, well, maybe
- They ran a test with a later blood draw from you and said, pretty much absolutely yes. (99% is yes)
I'd say you have nothing to worry about from the sex with Mr. Ex. Please try to stop brooding over this. All the medical evidence points to your boyfriend. If you cannot stop, you could test with Mr. Ex, but as you say, you don't want to spend any more money on it. When women write to me that they have reached that point, it usually means that in their heart, they know the test was right and the evidence was correct, they just still feel stressed, and it settles on a false question of who the dad is.
If you can't get past feeling anxious, it's probably just the whole guilty-conscience thing from having sex with the wrong guy. That can be harder to overcome than figuring out numbers on a calendar, so sometimes the mind lets the anxiety float to the calendar and the numbers, so it doesn't have to think about more difficult questions or shame or guilt. If this is really, really bugging you, see a therapist or counselor, and talk about what happened and why you wound up with Mr. Ex that time. Answering some of those issues will help you a lot more than going around saying to yourself that you can't trust medical tests. No amount of medical data will answer issues of guilt or shame, that one, you gotta do for you.
Incidentally, you've got a good boyfriend. Anyone who has a pregnant girlfriend and stands by her after being told there is a need for a paternity test is a good man. Do your best to make him the happiest daddy in the world from now on out. That will help heal your heart too.
(((HUGS)))
Annie
Anyway, this is obviously an anxious issue for you, but at least you did do one thing totally right, which is, you did not hide from your boyfriend that you felt there was a need to test. You're way ahead of some of the women on the site in this regard. You cannot believe the grief they put themselves under through their intense need to hide their actions.
So, let's see what we have. (Some of this is from above, I'm just collecting it in one place.)
- You and your ex used protection, and
you don't recall it slipping or breaking
- You got your positive pregnancy test on the 15th -- 9 days would be very early to show a pregnancy from September 6, especially since you didn't use concentrated first-morning urine. (To me, this is enough to prove you were already pregnant before the 6th.)
- Your first test from Ravgen didn't say your boyfriend was excluded, it just didn't have enough DNA
- They re-ran blood from that draw and said, well, maybe
- They ran a test with a later blood draw from you and said, pretty much absolutely yes. (99% is yes)
I'd say you have nothing to worry about from the sex with Mr. Ex. Please try to stop brooding over this. All the medical evidence points to your boyfriend. If you cannot stop, you could test with Mr. Ex, but as you say, you don't want to spend any more money on it. When women write to me that they have reached that point, it usually means that in their heart, they know the test was right and the evidence was correct, they just still feel stressed, and it settles on a false question of who the dad is.
If you can't get past feeling anxious, it's probably just the whole guilty-conscience thing from having sex with the wrong guy. That can be harder to overcome than figuring out numbers on a calendar, so sometimes the mind lets the anxiety float to the calendar and the numbers, so it doesn't have to think about more difficult questions or shame or guilt. If this is really, really bugging you, see a therapist or counselor, and talk about what happened and why you wound up with Mr. Ex that time. Answering some of those issues will help you a lot more than going around saying to yourself that you can't trust medical tests. No amount of medical data will answer issues of guilt or shame, that one, you gotta do for you.
Incidentally, you've got a good boyfriend. Anyone who has a pregnant girlfriend and stands by her after being told there is a need for a paternity test is a good man. Do your best to make him the happiest daddy in the world from now on out. That will help heal your heart too.
(((HUGS)))
Annie
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Just one more question: why would it be written on my results if I want a definitive confirmation of paternity I need to do cvs or after birth so any lab or any company that does prenatal paternity is not as accurate as cvs or post birth for establishing paternity? Then why anyone would do prenatal and throw money if they can’t guarantee the correct results.
I would guess that all labs doing paternity testing (including those that do the testing of samples from CVS, and labs that do DNA testing after the baby is born) probably have some kind of disclaimer written on their results. Their insurance companies and their lawyers would insist on it. Mistakes can happen in every kind of test for every kind of condition, even errors that aren't the lab's fault (such as an error in collection) can come back and bite them hard. I don't think such a piece of legal boilerplate is proof by itself that "any lab or any company that does prenatal paternity is not as accurate as cvs or post birth for establishing paternity." I am willing to agree with you that it is a very delicate test, to fish DNA out of the mother's bloodstream and match it to the parental DNA. It's certainly possible that labs doing this kind of work have more expensive errors-and-omissions insurance than ones that simply work with buccal swabs that are each from a different person. You ask "Then why would anyone do a prenatal DNA test?" I assume it is because at least there is a test, and for some women it beats crying and being frightened for nine months, and they can do their homework and see the company's results to know if they are dealing with a crummy Internet-advertising fake lab or one that has a good reputation.
They didn’t send me first results as an exclusion only told me over the phone that time I was about 12 weeks ( first when my bf and I tested I was 11 weeks ) so I just started browsing everything about pregnancy, pregnancy tests ( many women say they get positive at 6-8 dpo ) , implantation and hcg as well as about dna tests I really had hope my bf is the father so called Ravgen again and they said they will re run after they re run from first blood draw that they had and my bfs dna they said that out of 8 mismatches 4 were matching and the other 4 were leaning towards match but seems there is not enough fetal dna so I need another blood draw and after that blood draw they send me the results where he was not excluded, so after that I still google every day and trying to figure it out I barely enjoy my pregnancy because I thought I’ll get some reinsurance by doing DNA paternity test .
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And yes I’m sure of the dates I’ve been with my bf after my August periods I went to him to EU and stayed till 09/03 and the 09/06 I was already back to US and had huge fight with my bf to the point I told him we are done , early evening of the 09/06 I was so stupid being with my ex .
Don't worry, I wasn't questioning your dates. I was just using that as an example of the kind of thing that seems so sure that people don't re-check when telling their story. It's easy when anxious to get in a swirl of information and lose track of which part is what a third party really said and which part is only what oneself said later. The trick it to sort those out so they don't become part of the analysis. It sounds now like what you're saying is that Ravgen never did tell you that your boyfriend was excluded, but that when they called to say it was inconclusive you kind of thought that was what they were saying. Then they did the retest with the sample they had and came up with that not-completely-conclusive answer, and then later they did a retest with a later blood sample and came up with a 99% answer. With all your other info, I'd say you have no reason to worry. (ps - Don't believe women on the Internet who say they got a positive 6 to 8 days post ovulation, they are almost certainly mistaken about when ovulation really was, and besides, you were not using first-morning urine. You have to be further along to get a positive with dilute urine.)
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Hi, Denise,
It sounds like even without having done a DNA test, the evidence points to your boyfriend, which would suggest that Ravgen did not give you "false results."
The evidence, besides your DNA test, is:
- you and your ex used protection, and
- you don't recall it slipping or breaking (if that's what "dong recall it flip or brake" meant), and
- you got your positive pregnancy test on the 15th -- 9 days would be very early to show a pregnancy from September 6, especially since you didn't use concentrated first-morning urine.
But one ultrasound pointing to conception on September 2 followed by another pointing to August 31 made you feel unsure (even though the dates moved further to the conclusion that the father could only be your boyfriend). I assume it probably then didn't help your nerves to have to do the blood draw twice.
(I should probably check -- this is an unlikely possibility, but are you totally sure you were dealing with Ravgen? [Their website has a blue and green stripe across the top and a greyish background, and they are headquartered in Maryland.] I would never have thought of asking, but recently someone wrote to me Ravgen this and Ravgen that, and it turned out she was talking about a different lab. Anyway, let's assume nothing like this is happening here.)
Call Ravgen and discuss with them your concerns about "no signature nor SNPS where child and him are matching," and also be sure they know that you have a close time margin where the wrong guy might be the dad, and you really need to be as sure as possible. Did they offer you the post-natal test as part of the package? If you are super nervous, you could test with the other guy. However, in your shoes, I would go ahead and assume Ravgen got it right, and just test once the baby is born to put the whole question away forever.
It sounds like even without having done a DNA test, the evidence points to your boyfriend, which would suggest that Ravgen did not give you "false results."
The evidence, besides your DNA test, is:
- you and your ex used protection, and
- you don't recall it slipping or breaking (if that's what "dong recall it flip or brake" meant), and
- you got your positive pregnancy test on the 15th -- 9 days would be very early to show a pregnancy from September 6, especially since you didn't use concentrated first-morning urine.
But one ultrasound pointing to conception on September 2 followed by another pointing to August 31 made you feel unsure (even though the dates moved further to the conclusion that the father could only be your boyfriend). I assume it probably then didn't help your nerves to have to do the blood draw twice.
(I should probably check -- this is an unlikely possibility, but are you totally sure you were dealing with Ravgen? [Their website has a blue and green stripe across the top and a greyish background, and they are headquartered in Maryland.] I would never have thought of asking, but recently someone wrote to me Ravgen this and Ravgen that, and it turned out she was talking about a different lab. Anyway, let's assume nothing like this is happening here.)
Call Ravgen and discuss with them your concerns about "no signature nor SNPS where child and him are matching," and also be sure they know that you have a close time margin where the wrong guy might be the dad, and you really need to be as sure as possible. Did they offer you the post-natal test as part of the package? If you are super nervous, you could test with the other guy. However, in your shoes, I would go ahead and assume Ravgen got it right, and just test once the baby is born to put the whole question away forever.
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Hi Annie , I did call Ravgen multiple times ( and yes I’m sure it’s the right lab , they are in Columbia MD ) all what they say that first time it was not enough fetal dna in my blood so results came excluded ( I also called DDC and was told they should have given me first results as inconclusive not EXCLUSION ) so I asked Ravgen to test another guy and they said after my second blood draw no need because my bf is the father , I don’t have money to throw here and there for another dna paternity tests just why do u need dna test if they can’t give you a definitive answer , and no they didn’t offer postnatal test , now all trust in any lab is lost if the child not from my bf they ruined my life that’s why I went to find out who is the father so I would know what to do .
I'm curious about a couple of things. I assume you have the original message or paperwork from them and it really says "excluded" and not just "inconclusive," and you have checked this recently to know your memory is correct? The part I'm curious to know is, if it said "excluded," why did you call them and ask them to re-run the test? What made you sure enough to do that? It's more like the action someone would take if it said "inconclusive."
And please don't take this as me questioning your account. It's just that a lot of times in this community, after puzzling out a problem with various pieces described by the poster, she will go back and check her paperwork and say "Oh, incidentally, I had the date wrong, the sex was on the 17th" or whatever. And it can change the analysis. The part that is unusual about your story is that you called them after getting an "excluded" and gave them enough pushback about it that they ran the test again; what gave you the certainty to push back?
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