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Overweight (high BMI) and Treating...
I'm 1 month post treatment with SOC.
What is so wrong about people with a high BMI being encouraged to try treatment? If it doesn't work by 4 or 12 weeks they can just stop the way any other treater can stop. Why can't we be encouraged too? The reason I'm putting this out there is because I don't feel that there is a whole lot of support for the individuals who have a high BMI and are thinking of treating. In fact I've seen them discouraged!
What is so wrong about people with a high BMI being encouraged to try treatment? If it doesn't work by 4 or 12 weeks they can just stop the way any other treater can stop. Why can't we be encouraged too? The reason I'm putting this out there is because I don't feel that there is a whole lot of support for the individuals who have a high BMI and are thinking of treating. In fact I've seen them discouraged!
you are correct in that there are a few healthy overweight people, but consider this, no matter who you are, no matter what your genetics, the greater the volume of body the greater the volume of blood needed to pump through it and the harder and faster every heart must pump. It is univerally accepted now that higher heart rates equal lower life spans so eve if choleserol and blood pressure etc are fine, it's only a matter of time before joints, hearts, etc etc etc break down. Those are just a few well known and well established medical facts.
My point in all this is each person needs to evaluate what the issues are. We all come to the table(pardon the pun) of ill health with a variety of issues. Some are genetic, some are emotional, some are the result of the disease or some other exposure.
Weight of course, causes rather emotional reposnses from people, how well I know.
I'm trying to remove the meotion from such conversations and stick to the facts so that people can get healthier if that is their desire.
Since discovering that my IGF was 30-45.......(normal was 150-190 for my age)
I have corrected for the deficiency with Humatrope. Since then I have been able to lose weight like a normal person when I apply myself. What a revelation!!
Since half the people with HCV have some sort of endrocrine deficiency you think they'd all be clamoring to know more about this connection.
Especially when you consider that either hypo or hyper thyroid can harm the heart, low HGH can accerate liver death, high BMI or IR can effect treatment outcome.etc etc etc
Why some folks don't want to explore these concepts rationally vs. emotionally only God knows...but I figure if a person asks a question..............
they should be able to benefit from all points of view.
mb
My point in all this is each person needs to evaluate what the issues are. We all come to the table(pardon the pun) of ill health with a variety of issues. Some are genetic, some are emotional, some are the result of the disease or some other exposure.
Weight of course, causes rather emotional reposnses from people, how well I know.
I'm trying to remove the meotion from such conversations and stick to the facts so that people can get healthier if that is their desire.
Since discovering that my IGF was 30-45.......(normal was 150-190 for my age)
I have corrected for the deficiency with Humatrope. Since then I have been able to lose weight like a normal person when I apply myself. What a revelation!!
Since half the people with HCV have some sort of endrocrine deficiency you think they'd all be clamoring to know more about this connection.
Especially when you consider that either hypo or hyper thyroid can harm the heart, low HGH can accerate liver death, high BMI or IR can effect treatment outcome.etc etc etc
Why some folks don't want to explore these concepts rationally vs. emotionally only God knows...but I figure if a person asks a question..............
they should be able to benefit from all points of view.
mb
Can I say this to encourage anyone with a few extra pounds on board (High BMI) I really don't like seeing any discrimination, like I said in another thread I started Tx at 253 pounds but 33 weeks later I'm 170 pounds & I'm going to do my absolute best to never regain that excess weight because everything feels better now... Good luck to you all ....
"You may want to read my thread in here on HGH, or search pubmed for connections between hcv, endocrine dysfunction and high BMI."
I don't mean to sound disrespectful or "yes, but" your comments, but I have done PLENTY of reading and research in that area and have also read numerous threads here. Trust me when I tell you I'm not lacking of knowledge in this area. I'm not a medical expert, but far from being uneducated in this area. That being said, I understand where you're coming from in that everyone, esp someone w/high bmi, should be checked out for such conditions. Without a doubt that is an excellent recommendation. I was primarily referring to an implied assumption from some people that people w/high bmi are unhealthy, which isn't accurate. My objections, often, have to do with the language that's being used when it implies an absolute fact in which there is no room to disagree. And I also wasn't referring to eating disorders. But by all means, I stress this again, people w/high bmi should certainly have a thorough medical workup for the issues you mentioned. That is a really good point that you made.
I don't mean to sound disrespectful or "yes, but" your comments, but I have done PLENTY of reading and research in that area and have also read numerous threads here. Trust me when I tell you I'm not lacking of knowledge in this area. I'm not a medical expert, but far from being uneducated in this area. That being said, I understand where you're coming from in that everyone, esp someone w/high bmi, should be checked out for such conditions. Without a doubt that is an excellent recommendation. I was primarily referring to an implied assumption from some people that people w/high bmi are unhealthy, which isn't accurate. My objections, often, have to do with the language that's being used when it implies an absolute fact in which there is no room to disagree. And I also wasn't referring to eating disorders. But by all means, I stress this again, people w/high bmi should certainly have a thorough medical workup for the issues you mentioned. That is a really good point that you made.
Kathy
I never had a high BMI until I took Interferon the first time in 1994 and ended up with much less energy than I had prior to taking the treatment.
The people that are giving you a hard time, have never had a hard time with their weight. I didn't read all the comments, but it's been my experence that the strong pick on the weak only because they can, and if something were to go wrong with their treatment, making them take a turn for the worst, then were told that they couldn't take the treatment!!! You would never hear the end of their of their screeming.
I try to exercise and eat good food, but I can't seem to even budge off my weight, maybe some day the worm will turn for us.
Sandbur
I never had a high BMI until I took Interferon the first time in 1994 and ended up with much less energy than I had prior to taking the treatment.
The people that are giving you a hard time, have never had a hard time with their weight. I didn't read all the comments, but it's been my experence that the strong pick on the weak only because they can, and if something were to go wrong with their treatment, making them take a turn for the worst, then were told that they couldn't take the treatment!!! You would never hear the end of their of their screeming.
I try to exercise and eat good food, but I can't seem to even budge off my weight, maybe some day the worm will turn for us.
Sandbur
nobody's assuming what she has anything, only that she may. What I said was she may have a metabolic syndrome of some sort. Perhaps IR, perhaps thyroid, perhaps pituitary, to name but a few.
The assumption I do not make is that everyone with a high BMI has an eating disorder.
Often times it is chemistry not emotional or over eating that creates a high BMI.
How do I know this, because this is what I had. On 1200 calories weighing and measuring every drop of oil and morsel every day for a year I lost no weight due to these deficiencies. My doctor argued vociferously that I did not have these syndromes, but proper testing at our local teaching hospital proved I did have exactly what I had diagnosed myself as having.
Item: hcv people have a much higher rate of thyroid disease than the general public.
They also have far far more pituiatry dysfunction, they also have far more pre-diebetes AKA Insulin resistance.
The current research is showing that HCV itself is slowing the endocrine system to a crawl and hence creating metabolic syndromes.
All I am suggesting, is that she be checked for such things so that she does not have to endure years of starvation diets with little result. In order to lose the weight and give herself a better chance at treatment it would be advantageous to make sure the systems that effect whether calories are burned or stored are working as they should be.
You may want to read my thread in here on HGH, or search pubmed for connections between hcv, endocrine dysfunction and high BMI.
mb
The assumption I do not make is that everyone with a high BMI has an eating disorder.
Often times it is chemistry not emotional or over eating that creates a high BMI.
How do I know this, because this is what I had. On 1200 calories weighing and measuring every drop of oil and morsel every day for a year I lost no weight due to these deficiencies. My doctor argued vociferously that I did not have these syndromes, but proper testing at our local teaching hospital proved I did have exactly what I had diagnosed myself as having.
Item: hcv people have a much higher rate of thyroid disease than the general public.
They also have far far more pituiatry dysfunction, they also have far more pre-diebetes AKA Insulin resistance.
The current research is showing that HCV itself is slowing the endocrine system to a crawl and hence creating metabolic syndromes.
All I am suggesting, is that she be checked for such things so that she does not have to endure years of starvation diets with little result. In order to lose the weight and give herself a better chance at treatment it would be advantageous to make sure the systems that effect whether calories are burned or stored are working as they should be.
You may want to read my thread in here on HGH, or search pubmed for connections between hcv, endocrine dysfunction and high BMI.
mb
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