Continuation of 'Penis hard when flaccid' thread...

[frenchiman]

Hey guys. I've been suffering from a similar problem as most of you. Most days penis is smaller and hard when flaccid, lowered sex drive, can't get full erections in this state like I used to, rarely get morning wood, when erect penis it's so stiff that you cannot bend it left and right slightly, and so on. In my case however all this goes away after I don't masturbate or have sex for about 5 days. Then upon ejaculation the 'hard flaccid penis' comes back to haunt me.

For me this started 6 months ago after one night when I had done ecstacy. I've found at least 3 other people on the internet with the exact same problem that started after a night on ecstasy. I've done countless research online and went through every forum with people who report 'hard flaccid penis'. A lot of us share the same symptoms which leads me to believe that the problem derives from one source, be it poor circulation, nerve damage, or imbalanced hormones, but yet nobody has made the connection.  

I too suffer from a back injury as some others, but I definitely ruled out the theory that this is caused by spine problems. My back pains come and go, but the penis problem is uncorrelated. In my particular case I am convinced that this was brought by ecstacy becasue others have reported the exact same symptoms and timing. This could mean that E either messed up my serotonin levels, or messed up my circulation somehow. Heat does help 'soften' up my flaccid penis somewhat as others have mentioned. Also there is a possbility that I, as well as many of you, have some form of prostatitis. We need to go get that checked out. If that is the case than the good news is that it is treatable.

So I've narrowed it down to three possibilities for my case:
- Prostatitis
- Unbalanced circulation or hormone levels caused by the MDMA
- some weird STD (I've had unprotected sex numerous times, but this option is very unlikely as it started the morning after I have done mdma).

I am going to get checked out next week and I will post my findings.
In the case that this is due to some circulation problems amongst most of us, from my research I recommend you all to start taking Omega-3 fish oils and L'arginine ethyl ester (helps increase and improve blood flow) on a daily basis. Further look into Ginko Biloba, but I'm unsure about the effectiveness of this. Also wrap a hot towel around your penis once a day.
If this is due to hormonal imbalances, such as serotonin levels in my case, then the key is a balanced diet, a multi-vitamin, sunshine, physical exercise and give your penis a lot of rest. Perhaps try to go for weeks without sex if possible.

I have just started applying all of this for myself. I'm going to a doctor next week and will post my results. Whoever has valid imput or knows a thing or two around medicine and neuroscience please share! We are going to get through this with doctors or without!


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[scot007]

I've tried many supplements, nothing helped. Only the Alpha Blockers worked, of which there are several types, Tamsulosin (Flomax), Doxazosin, Terazosin and others.

I'm not in a relationships right now, but I do also dread having to strip off in front of a woman, when I do find one. I guess I'll have to take the alpha blockers or Viagra beforehand.

Doctors don't have a clue about this. I have asked several Urologists, and they just say it's normal !

[frenchiman]

Yea clearly its normal...

Hey scot, what happens when these alpha blockers wear off?

And you said: "This is only speculation by I also wonder if by taking the alpha blockers the receptors  could up regulate, effectively making them more sensitive to noradrenaline, so if you stopped taking the meds, the problem could get worse for a while". Did anyone on any thread mention what happeend when they stopped taking them?

I don't know much about alpha blockers, but I'm desperate to try anything..

[scot007]

You can buy alpha blockers for peanuts on the net. I'm able to get them on prescription because I have a slight prostate problem. But I have bought them before on the net.

I don't use the alpha blockers all the time, I like the idea of using them when I need them. I was on them recently for a week and then 3 days ago I came off. Yesterday I was really small and tight all day long, more so than normal. I havent tested it often enough. But there might be short term extra shrinkage which will only last a day or two, then hopefully you will return to your normal state, which for me is usually half way between hanging and small and tight. But the hang I get from the pills is usually good, and you can feel your penis is warmer too with all the blood flow. If you know you have a chance with a woman take one the day before or in the morning, and avoid that embarrasing situation. May help with erections too.

There is another type of alpha blocker called Phentolamine. Google it. Not sure whether this can be bought on the net. I think it is quicker to act but has a shorter half life in the blood.

Some companies in south amercia have produced a pill for ED using this substance. Called Vasomax.

[scot007]

Think they may even have changed the name of Vasomax to Vigamed. I think it's quite expensive. Would be better to just get some generic Phentolamine of possible. I have never tried it.

[scot007]

It might be interesting for people suffering from this to take their resting pulse rate.Taken when at rest, a normal adult's pulse can be anywhere from 60 to 100 beats per minute. Mine ranges between 80 & 100. I just took it and it was 100. Right at the top of the range. Does this give any indication of adrenalin levels I wonder ??

It's also interesting that drugs like coke and Amphetamines make your penis smaller.

Been doing a little research on alpha blockers, got this info

Doxazosin - half life 22hours - peak plasma 2-3 hours
Terazosin - half life 12 hours - peak plasma 1 hour
Tamsulosin - half life 10 hours - peak plasma 5 hours
Alfuzosin - half life 10 hours - peak plasma 8 hours
Prazosin - half life 3 hours - peak plasma 3 hours

I'm no expert but this would seem to suggest that Terazosin is the fastest acting reaching peak levels in the blood after only 1 hour. And Doxazosin stays in the body longest. I have taken prolonged release Tamsulosin which does complicate the picture a bit, but one of those lasts 36 hours for me and takes several hours to notice any effect. Might try some Terazosin, if it works within the hour could be useful.

[frenchiman]

Thanks so much for the info.

I will probably try Tamsulosin or Terazosin after experimenting with a few supplements first. I just noticed though, that all these are targeted towards people with prostate problems. I am pretty sure I don't have prostate problems so you think it would be as safe and effective anyway?

My resting heart rate is around 60, but I do a lot of sports.
I've done Amphetamines a lot of times. Yes, while you're on them, your penis becomes significantly smaller and stiff. For most people this goes away a day or two after though, for me it's still the issue.
When I exercise heavy, my member also becomes smaller. I am guessing it is either because blood is taken up by the muscles or again there is a decrease in some hormone. Too bad I don't know physiology that well.

I don't really want to jump into alpha blockers right away, since they come with their side effects as well, and I don't really need to feel dizzy while working out. But hey if they work then so be it. You're right it is a great temporary solution if you want to get laid that night. But still not a cure :(

Lets say hypothetically we do figure out 100% that the problem with most of us lies in the hormones adrenalin and noradrenalin (or perheps any other hormone). What could doctors possibly do to cure this permanently? Invent some sort of pill that works like alpha blockers but with little side effects? Possibly. We should probably pursue towards that.

Also question for anyone that knows. When the penis starts to 'hang' again and comes back to normal, that is the parasympathetic nervous system at work, correct? It is telling the blood vessels in the penis to relax and dilate. I am guessing the hormones adrenalin and noradrenalin come into contact with the sympathetic/parasympathetic system as well. The parasympathetic nerves tell the body to release noradrenaline to 'relax' the penis. Is this correct? So would that mean that the noradrenaline is responsible for the restricting/dilating blood vessels, or is it the parasympathetic nerves directly?
I am trying to figure out whether the issue of poor blood flow and hormones are interconnected or not.