Hi Justin. I too have been experiencing this. One other thing we have in common is that I also attended SMF... I will say there was a point in my party days where I got very sick and went from doctor to doctor. From my research and my symptoms I had a doctor believe me and tell me it was candida and yeast problem. I did a treatment that I cannot recall right now, but I have the paperwork, if I can find it. I felt normal after a few months of heavy treatment with antibiotics. At one point my body started rejecting the antibiotics and I started getting allergic reactions from them. I also turned vegan and at the time organic. Not too long ago I was injured and had to leave my active job and found myself a nice office job. This is when I start noticing that people around me are scratching their throats, sniffling noses, sneezing, coughing, the scariest to me of them all are the red eyes. People will actually get red eyes. I was convinced there was mold in the building, but after searching this I may have found my answer. I also do believe it may be getting worse. There has to be a solution to this madness. I don't want to lose my job since I'm doing very well, but I'm starting to feel that people are noticing it's me and that might start to change. I no longer want to be interact coworkers and they want me to be a trainer. My anxiety has almost taken over. I also just got into a brand new car that I don't want to lose so I'm looking so job options where I can work a bit more on the alone side so I don't have to affect others. It's pushing me to want to become my own boss and start my own company!
Also take bentonite Clay is well. I take that on an empty stomach every morning !! Everything you use has to be organic. Whenever you buy soap, only simple ingredients need to be in the soup. When you eat, Whole Foods only which sucks but it will help I promise. I limit my alcohol intake to one or two shots a month of vodka just to feel buzzed before I go out . I really do go out because of the reactions that I get. A lot of people do say that I smell or the point and say oh my god that’s him omg he stinks !! And I literally is in bearable because I am very handsome. I don’t have trouble finding anybody to hook up with online however I have trouble hooking up with them again. It just sucks but in all honesty he we will overcome this!
PATM still here unfortunately. I currently am following a candida diet. I will say taking a B complex has reduced my reactions drastically. I also am taking milk thistle , desiccated beef liver pills, parasite cleanse, and mastic gum. I only added the mastic gum because I have extreme halitosis, and that is a correlation with having H pylori. Not saying that I’m positive for H pylori, but I am treating for that just in case I am. I also have been increasing my fiber intake as well. I I am reducing the amount of protein that I take in my body because it seems that whenever I eat a lot of protein rich meals or even use my protein isolate powder’s, My P ATM is worsened . If you have anymore questions please leave them here and I will answer as soon as I can
Hey justincase how are your symptoms currently? I literally went threw all of your posts. Have you been able to reduce your symptoms?
URGENT !!!!!!!!!
Everyone, I have figured it out!! I know exactly what is going on in our bodies. Alot pf you app have been saying that you sweat alot, there is an ammonia smell coming from you, etc. Speaking from my own experiences, I asked my closest friends if they smell anything on me after I go for a run. They say like a bleach smell but it's more like an AMMONIA smell.
Guys, our livers are messed up. My hypothesis: I started working out and increased my protein intake BY ALOT . I would notice a couple of reactions from people and thought nothing of the matter. At a music festival, the only thing I ate for those teo days were protein bars...snd then boom. The PATM started. My liver was failing due to the amount of protein I was taking. Your liver is responsible for digesting proteins; however, if it's not functioning properly or effectively (poor nutrition, environmental exposures, colognes, etc) it will produce AMMONIA IN OUR BODIES and into our BLOODSTREAM. Guys, this is exactly why most of you ate patm free because you did the cleanses and toook amino acids. Amino acids are used to help the liver and kidneys fucntion properly!! That's why when people took Dessicated Beef Liver pills, black seed oil, and oxy powder, they were PATM FREE!! I currently am experiencing lessened symptoms. I'm following a protein free diet as well as a dugar free diet. I've been using laxatives, oxy powder,and running everyday. My brain fog is almost gone!! My PATM reactions are finally dying down. Research this!! I'm 100000000000% sure this is what is causing all of our issues. Also , I could have a candida overgrowth as well. I am currently taking candida cleanse from Purely Hollistic, am picking up more SB probiotics, and sticking to a more vegan diet.
Additionally, im going to copy and paste what this article said about while bacteria and the colon are playing a role in this right here:
DETOXIFYING AMMONIA
Ammonia toxicityIn part 2 of AMMONIA TOXICITY we are going to find out what we can do to remove ammonia from our body, both by supporting the organs involved in processing and disposing of it, and by taking supplements with an affinity for removing ammonia.
We have seen that there are 3 organ systems in the body that produce and/or deal with ammonia: the liver, the kidneys and the intestines. Let’s look at each one separately and see what we can do to facilitate their ammonia detoxification functions.
THE LIVER: FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST AMMONIA
Removal of ammonia begins with the liver, therefore keeping the liver healthy and well functioning will clearly help to improve ammonia removal. Since a major medical indicator of liver failure is high levels of ammonia in the bloodstream, it follows that detoxifying the liver may well be the best way to remove ammonia from the body.
The liver normally receives some ammonia via the intestines, from the bacterial break-down of amino acids found in dietary protein. A healthy liver detoxifies that ammonia, by converting it into urea, which is then removed from the body by way of the urine. But, if the liver is malfunctioning, the ammonia remains unprocessed, and will enter the bloodstream.
To enhance the detoxification pathways, the liver uses sulfur compounds to produce the antioxidant glutathione. The amino acid L-cysteine is the most crucial sulfur compound needed by the liver to produce glutathione. The best way to get L-cysteine into the body, in supplemental form, is to use N-acetyl-cysteine. NAC is a powerful antioxidant and immune stimulant, and as well has been shown to support lung function, and to help remove heavy metals.
It should be noted that taking NAC is more efficient at raising glutathione levels than taking actual glutathione, in supplement form. Vitamin C is also a potent elevator of glutathione production, with 500mg being sufficient to create this response. Other supplements that can effectively raise glutathione levels include Milk Thistle Extract, Alpha Lipoic Acid, L-Glutamine and Whey protein. The highest food sources of sulfur compounds include members of the cruciferous vegetable family (broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, etc), as well as eggs, soy, legumes, garlic and onions.
THE ROLE OF THE KIDNEYS IN REMOVING AMMONIA
Symptomsof hyperammonemiaAfter the liver has detoxified the ammonia, by turning it into urea, the kidneys are the next step in filtration before it is removed via the urine.
Surprisingly, part of keeping the kidneys functioning well is keeping the blood sugar levels stable. If we have consistent high blood sugar levels, it causes the kidneys to filter too much blood and, by overworking them, we reduce their filtering capacity. High blood sugar levels can lead to reduced potassium levels in the blood, and if too much potassium is excreted it leads to alkaline urine. Urine that is too alkaline will reduce the amount of ammonia that is removed by the kidneys.
Three amino acids, L-Arginine, L-Citrulline and L-Ornithine, are necessary components of the urea cycle, and are therefore believed to work as protective agents against ammonia toxicity. They do this by stimulating urea formation, which aids the kidneys in performing their detoxification function. All three of these amino acids may be purchased in supplemental form. But, of the three, L-Ornithine is particularly helpful for removing ammonia from the brain, because the brain does not contain the ornithine-related enzyme necessary to render ammonia harmless by changing it into urea.
Commonly suggested is 500mg of L-Ornithine in the evening and 500mg of L-Arginine in the morning to aid in neutralizing ammonia in the liver, the body and in urine. A larger quantity of these 2 amino acids may be taken, but remember to take them on an empty stomach.
Eating celery or drinking celery juice daily will help kidney function, and also electrolyte balance. Celery also works to removes excess uric acid from the blood, a further aid to kidney function.
INTESTINAL HEALTH AND AMMONIA DETOXIFICATION
As mentioned above, small amounts of ammonia are produced as a byproduct of the normal digestion of proteins, and the body is prepared to handle this quantity. However, parasites, bad bacteria, and candida yeast overgrowth in the intestinal tract, can produce more ammonia than the body is equipped to deal with, leading to a compromised immune system.
Taking probiotics (friendly bacteria) maintains healthy bacterial flora, which in turn, reduces yeast overgrowth, and lowers the pH level of the large intestine, making it far more acidic. This is a place where being acidic is good. When the large intestine has a high level of acidity, the ammonia produced by intestinal bacteria remains in an ionized form. In this form, it is easily dissipated from the body, without entering into general circulation through the blood, and burdening the kidneys, liver and brain.
This is the approach we take guys. This is what's wrong with us. This is why we sweat profusely. This is why we smell of ammonia or fish or whatever it is! Let's heal TOGETHER!!
I hope you all find this useful! I will continue to post my results a little later in September!
Have a great day everyone :) REMAIN STRONG ! Stay hopeful and grateful!
God Bless you @justincase25 !
Whatever course of "actions" you decide to choose to become patm free
they must be consistent - 365 days each year , 24-7 !!!
Being patm free is a lifestyle , not a diet !!!!
I can agree with the stress. I have a stressful job...(RN for level 1 trauma) Moreover, stress is everyday for me. When a patient codes on me or comes in as a stroke alert, my reactions are WORSE! It definitively coincides with the bad bacteria in our bodies. I'm going to buy some garlic capsules soon.. going on vacation soon...Miami is 3 hours away so I'm blessed LOL! As far as keeping a positive attitude, I haven't lost any friends. My roomates on the other hand have been hiding in their room as soon as I come home. I can't blame them; however, they told me that they don't feel sick around me. "It's all in my head" but they throw up, sneeze, can't stop coughing and giving me the worst looks ever. I workout everyday...but when I do, I get super aroused...so I have sex more. Obviously safe sex, but it's a need for me instead of a want.
Getting more oxy powder because I bave noticed an improvement in my IBS related symptoms. I have yet to try a liver cleanse...that would be my next guess. I will get the liver cleanse from global healing center. Have a good one mindspace!
Hello to everyone again!
I have to say....living with this horrible disease is terrible. From what I've witnessed during this horrible time in our lives, I've come to a couple of theories...
1. People are allergic. Their stomachs hurt within 100 feet of us, they have IBS related symptoms like us, and their eyes hurt. Additionally, they cough and also get strep throat from us. I've had multiple people tell me that they have developed ulceractive colitis, and they do not know why. Theu are extremely dizzy around me and are short of breath. I have noticed when I'm on the phone with someone, they start developing the same symptoms as if they were directly next to me!! People look either directly at my stomach with a disgisted look....or, they look at my butt with a disgusted look. My butt is nice because i squat..so its very odd...
2. I have gotten strep 7 TIMES THIS YEAR ! 7 TIMES!!!! Lol ....when prescribed antibiotics (arithromycin, augmentin) my reactions were WORSE. Futhermore, I started to feel better. My stomach would stop its IBS symptoms and I'd be okay.
3. Eating. When I eat PROCESSED SUGAR in ANY FORM, I immediatley develop strep throat. Additionally, my body gets inflammed and I feel lethargic for the rest of the day. If I eat fruit, I'm okay. If i eat chips, im okay. If I eat a Reeses, I'm DONE LOL !
From all of this gathered, I've done it all. I've dieted for months, lost a lot of weight, but I haven't noticed any relief in symptoms. I've tried everything....saccromyces, oxy powder, garlic, turmeric, restore, etc..you name, I took it. NO RELIEF.
Has anyone been STD tested yet? I've only been HIV tested...but there is this new super gonorrhea going around. It is resistant to alot of antibiotics so I'm a bit worried. Additonally, I'm young and very good looking. I live in Orlando...so everyone is always hooking up...including myself. I'm surprised i still can have sex with the reactions still taking place LOL ! Just wondering if i might be on to something here....
Have a great weekend everyone ! Stay hopeful and grateful ...do NOT give up
Hi,
I am also suffering with patm and its been two years. No medicine will work. You can do first thing is drink at least 4 glass of water as u wake up in the morning. And do pranayama , kapalbhatti for 30 mins and anulom vilom for 30 mins. This vill surely help you and with in a week u vill see the changes. And less reactions.
Agree with you bro,being optimistic is the key,laugh about it joke about it ,Ignore it and keep your mind occupied iwth something else,it will slowly fade away slowly.Most of the cure is in your mind!
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/People-Allergic-to-Me-PATM/How-I-Fight-PATM-/show/2947494#post_14085612
Hi Justincase_25.Happy Hollidays and greetings to Orlando.I have a friend living in Orlando.She is my best friend and she works as a nurse in a hospital there like you maybe and she is my inspiration of life.So unfortunately I'm very far from Orlando but I hope someday I'll go there to visit her.Looks like I have problems similar to yours.So we should never take antibiotic anymore because that increases PATM reactions and damages the intestinal flora.That is a huge factor I think about our situation.At the moment I am only using oxy powder and saccharomyces boulardii but I wanna purchase brown rice protein also but something I read about this makes me worry.I hope that grateful2011 will answer me.I like that that you're so positive so stay that way and keep us updated.Happy hollidays to all!
UPDATE !
Hey to you all and Happy Holidays from Orlando, the city of dreams!
I will say, this PATM thing is getting on my last nerve. It seems to be getting worse and not better. I have run out of Candida Cleanse by Purely Holistic and Oxy Powder. As soon as I get paid, those will be on my things to buy first list. My diet is currently horrible: Lots of pastas, stuffing, mashed potatoes, mac and cheese, ham, turkey. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE FOODS.
I started the candida diet back two days ago, and I feel okay. Nothing different. I do have strep throat....went to the doctor on Monday, and she told me to take antibiotics. I'm taking amoxicillin, but I am scared. Should I continue it or no? My throat still has not improved, so I'm drinking aloe vera organic juice from Vitamin Shoppe and lots of water, green tea, and lemon juice. Anyone else have chronic sinusitis? My PCP diagnosed me with that 3 years ago...must be tied to all of this.
Has anyone ever been tested for celiac disease? Our symptoms are similar to people with that disease excluding the patm part. Patm reactions; I believe that is the candida albicans reeking havoc in our bloodstream.
Additionally, I got strep throat after drinking Patron on a wild night out.....I shouldn't have done it... but I am 25 and stupid ahaha ! I have noticed that when I do drink alcohol, not even a lot, I get sick instead of a hangover. I either get a sinus infection or strep throat. This is my third time this year with strep throat and it is no fun.
No more alcohol for me. No more pot smoking. No more eating horrible. Anybody have any other cleanses that they would recommend with the Oxy Powder? Anything to add or recommend, please comment below.
Thanks and Happy Holidays everyone!
Justincase_25
Hey justincase_25, I usually take probiotics on an empty stomach (usually first thing in the morning) so that they face no competition from food. I never took them at the same time as antifungals (usually took them at least 3-4 hours apart) because they kill good bacteria as well as bad. I am not aware of any issue with taking probiotics as the same time as Oxy Powder, because Oxy Powder is really just magnesium and oxygen.
Hopeful12345, when do I take the probiotics? I feEl like every time I do the Oxy powder, it gets rid of the little good critters. Not sure how true that is. I just need your advice again! I just bought some more brown rice powder. I did buy some max amino caps from the vitamin store which had the same 20 amino acids in it. No improvements yet, but I'm staying HOPEFUL!! :)
To withdrawnupnorth, stay positive. Don't give up ! You got this. I understand the hard struggle that this is. It literally is a horrible battle, but you will come up on top. Follow the leaky gut diet if the candida diet isn't working. I'm really going crazy because I miss bread, chips, pasta, ALL CARBS LOL ! Just stay with it. We got this!
Have a good weekend everyone!
Hello to everyone!
I just wanted to keep you all updated that I am still going through this battle. I read up on neurotransmitter imbalances and I'm not sure if that is the cause of the symptoms. I believe leaky gut is the ROOT of it all. Hopeful12345 hit it right on the money. We have to heal our guts everyone!
As much as I LOVE alcohol and marijuana, I have to stop it. I will say that the reactions have not ruined my life. Some people find out that it is me, especially at work and bars/clubs/restaurants. All I have to say is keep your head STRONG. Understand that this is a long battle and we will overcome this horrible fight!
If any of you are feeling down or suicidal, PLEASE reach out to me. I have felt feelings of doom lately as well as dark thoughts. I understand and I am here for you all.
Best of luck to you all!
Justin Case
What you had been gone was my experience too up to now.. I am just staying strong for my family.. I was started to have PATM 4-5 yrs ago.. and i have kidney stone.. but i think it's nothing to do with my situation. My siblings and my family tells me that it's all in my mind,,even though some of them get cough, sneeze and even get fever. I believe that we all have PATM have STRONG MIND that only us can solve the problem. We have to learn how to do it in our own. But i cannot do this w/ my own if i have work and family in me. I just need a big brake/ leave and have long vacation that can teach myself how to manage my own mind. Good diet, meditation, exercise and prayer most of all. Good luck to us! I love you guys.
I'm not cured at all. I'm so glad everyone is joining this discussion ! To all of us, please stay strong and positive !! I am currently at the doctors office where I will undergo the "cosyntropin stimulation " test. If you aren't familiar with it, google has been a great help LOL ! In brief summary, this test only finds out if I have Addisons Disease or Cushings. .... (endocrine adrenal glands not fuctioning properly)
I found out that 100% of my symptoms are adrenal related. I BARELY get any sleep, and I am always tired yet "wired" everyday. If the endocrinologist says that I'm "healthy and 25 y/o" blah blah blah AGAIN, I will do the cortisol test.
People don't understand that we come here because we NEED ANSWERS ! It ***** that people think that it's all in our head and we make this stuff up. I have told a few people, but they think it's all in my head.
Last thing...I have noticed that when I'm stress free, my back doesn't hurt . If I don't talk excessively in a room, there are some slight reactions. When I relax and use stress relief products from bath and body works, it seems to help my PATM reactions a little. Just some food for thought :) I have also noticed my cats reactions toward me and it hurts my soul .
Hi guys? is there anybody that can say he/she is completly cured. or are you guys just feeling better?
I've been dealing with this for about a year. I don't make too many people cough but I have symptoms of itchy eyes, nose, mouth area, ear, nape of neck, vaginal/rectal (sorry tmi). Before all of this started I was having a bit of abdominal discomfort ( sharp pains here and there)- but my ultrasound showed everything was fine. My labwork also shows that all as well. I can make people allergic to me from across a store or while driving I notice people having symptoms in their cars or even waiting at the crosswalk! Just the past few months I've noticed my pets getting itchy around me but once they settle down and go to bed they are fine. Same with my spouse. I wish there was a cure. My doctor said I was completely healthy so I'm debating whether or not to go in and ask for some diflucan (antifungal). Also, I read that some of us do not detox properly so it's either something releasing through our skin and while we breathe that makes us have patm. I read chlorella is good for detoxing metal as well as cilantro. ... And I also did that candida cleanse pill purely holistic and taking two a day for three days gave me horrible geez symptoms and since I was home alone I stopped taking them for precaution.
Everything was fine health wise but during a trip to Las Vegas last year I noticed the patm and then noticed it when I got back home and saw my family. People will get itchy and look at the area for a flea or what not or say that they don't know why their eyes are bothering them.
I've been doing a lot of research, and I've come up with a hypothesis. I'm going to see an endocrinologist, hopefully with the next week, to check my adrenal glands. I have a lot of the symptoms , especially since I'm an RN LOL !! THAT COULD BE THE ROOT OF IT ALL !! Dealing with tramatic situations for 12-14 hrs a day can transgress to adrenal fatigue. I did check my TSH levels, and they were normal. They might have gotten worse since I've lost my friends to the Orlando tragedy. Additionally, I had to treat the many of the victims, which at that point overworked my adrenals. Keeping you all updated !!!
Additionally, I'm using antibacterial soaps, no deodorant, or shampoos at all.
Hey hopeful12345.
I am only eating these products:
Breakfast : 3 Cage free eggs served with a salad made of organic lettuce, organic tomatoes, and organic avocado. Or , I just eat eggs and avocado.
Lunch: Either Grass free steak or no antibiotics ever, organic chicken with either organic brocoli, califlower, asparagus, kale, spinach, a little tomatoe, or more avocado. It all depends on my mood.
Dinner is the same as lunch to be honest. I haven't changed anything at all (because I already eat like this) , however, the grass fed and organic chicken is new to my diet. I usually season with pink himalayan salt, pepper, oregano, tyme, and thats all. Tons of water bottles in my house, but it could be the bpa in them ? Not sure if it's that since I go to the sauna everyday at LA Fitness, and I of course see the horrible faces people make when I'm in the sauna.
I haven't touched coffee, tea, alcohol, sugar, wheat, white, or any kind of grain for 3 weeks now.
Just staying hopeful and patient as I figure out what's going on. Also tried the dessicated beef liver pills, and that didn't work or seem to reduce PATM reactions at all.
Heading to the sauna now ! I'm about to run out of the Candida Cleanse from Purely Holistic. Do you think I should purchase more , or should I wait it out to see if I need to rid my body of toxins ?!
Have a great weekend hoepful12345!! Thanks for responding; it makes me feel like I'm not alone in this war LOL !