PATM cure ?

[Justincase_25]

Hello to all of you.  I'm Justin,  25, I live in Orlando.  I will say, PATM reactions in this city are no fun at all.  My first reaction was at a huge concert called "Sunset Music Festival " .... which is a HUGE RAVE with a lot of people. I didn't know what was going on and why my friends started sneezing, coughing,  clearing their throats, etc.  It was weird because everyone else in the crowds were as well, and when I got closer to them, the reactions were inbearable.  

A week went by, and I noticed it at work.  Same reactions.  I typed 8nto Google,  "why are people allergic to me" and here I am.  I'm currently doing alot of research. ..

I work at a hospital, and I'm really good friends with a microbiologist,  chemist, and hematologist.  They have checked all of my lab work and said I was anemic .  Additionally,  my white cell count and everything else was normal (since I'm 25 and active)!  They even laughed at my cholesterol being so low at 135 LOL !!  I even tested my stool for parasites, and nothing came back positive.  I took the advice and started treating for candida.  

I purchased the following products (encouraged by hopeful12345): brown rice powder by Jarrow Formulas, althea probiotic he mentioned by the same comapny, and Oxy powder, and Candida Cleanse from Purely Holistic  

Additionally,  I recently added L Glutamine,  quercetin,  digestive enzymes, milk thistle, molybdenum, fish oil pills, and vitamin c 1000.

I've been taking all of these for a short period of time.  Just letting you all know my progress.  The reactions are not improving .  That's okay because I know this is a never ending battle, and I will stay strong of course.  It just ***** that the reactions are alone l, and my friends think I'm crazy when I tell them, "I'm like rogue from X Men.  Stat away , I have the plague! "  I'm just trying to laugh and joke about it because staying positive is KEY :)

If you all took anything or recommend anything in your success, please feel free to contact me .  Inflammation seems to be a huge problem for me.  I dont know how to decrease it because I follow the Candida Diet.  Drink a gallon or more of water a day as well.  I've been doing Epson salt baths, running for an hour, and dry saunas everyday .  

Let me know what you all suggest !  Also, I use the heck out of coconut oil! !!!  Almost busted my buttime in the shower the other night AHAHA

Have a good day everyone, and please keep your head up high :)

[Justincase_25]

UPDATE !

Hey to you all and Happy Holidays from Orlando, the city of dreams!

I will say, this PATM thing is getting on my last nerve.  It seems to be getting worse and not better.  I have run out of Candida Cleanse by Purely Holistic and Oxy Powder.  As soon as I get paid, those will be on my things to  buy first list.  My diet is currently horrible:  Lots of pastas, stuffing, mashed potatoes, mac and cheese, ham, turkey.  HORRIBLE HORRIBLE FOODS.

I started the candida diet back two days ago, and I feel okay.  Nothing different.  I do have strep throat....went to the doctor on Monday, and she told me to take antibiotics.  I'm taking amoxicillin, but I am scared.  Should I continue it or no?  My throat still has not improved, so I'm drinking aloe vera organic juice from Vitamin Shoppe and lots of water, green tea, and lemon juice.  Anyone else have chronic sinusitis?  My PCP diagnosed me with that 3 years ago...must be tied to all of this.

Has anyone ever been tested for celiac disease?   Our symptoms are similar to people with that disease excluding the patm part.  Patm reactions; I believe that is the candida albicans reeking havoc in our bloodstream.  

Additionally, I got strep throat after drinking Patron on a wild night out.....I shouldn't have done it... but I am 25 and stupid ahaha !   I have noticed that when I do drink alcohol, not even a lot, I get sick instead of a hangover.  I either get a sinus infection or strep throat.  This is my third time this year with strep throat and it is no fun.

No more alcohol for me.  No more pot smoking.  No more eating horrible.  Anybody have any other cleanses that they would recommend with the Oxy Powder?  Anything to add or recommend, please comment below.  

Thanks and Happy Holidays everyone!

Justincase_25

[PATMsufferer]

If you've already started taking the amoxicillin, I would follow through with it. Not taking the entire course of a prescribed antibiotic treatment is one of the best ways to breed "superbugs".

If you can incorporate a high quality probiotic (preferably liquid or powder) into your diet now, that might stave off the potential for negatively upsetting your intestinal flora (it might even improve your intestinal flora if the amoxicillin eliminates some of the bad bacteria and you immediately repopulate your intestines with beneficial bacteria).  

[PATMsufferer]

I don't know if lactulose is available over the counter in the US, but some studies have shown that lactulose (which is both a laxative as well as a good pre-biotic) in combination with antiobiotics (Rifaximin in particular) results in better outcomes for retaining beneficial bacteria than just taking antibiotics alone (Google "Use of lactulose for creating of the new class of antibiotics" or "Antibiotics for the Treatment of Hepatic Encephalopathy").

The laxative effect of lactulose makes sure that the bad bacteria get out of your system as fast as possible, and the pre-biotic effect helps to re-establish the beneficial bacteria that you're hopefully supplementing during your antibiotics.

[grateful2011]

Justincase25

google : natural antibiotics for info

for me - if I had strep throat - I would not take antibiotics- I would take Manuka honey and garlic capsules

as you know - our food choices are critical in helping to remain patm free
God Bless you to be consistent more each and every day


VERY IMPORTANT SUPPLEMENT for you to
research and try :

Diatomaceous Earth food grade - got mine from
Amazon

This has been a winner for me - I take one tablespoon early morning at least two hours before breakfast

if you decide to check it out  -  I would do it without taking the other supplements- so you see
if it alone ( along with better food choices of course ) is making the difference in your improved health.

God Bless and keep us updated

[mindspace]

HI grateful2011.Why do you prefer bar soap?What do you think about coconut oil soap unscented but is liquid.Also wanna ask you about brown rice protein powder about warnings it says:This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm.What do you think?Is that bad?For men or women.

[Handcounting]

Hi Justin. I too have been experiencing this. One other thing we have in common is that I also attended SMF... I will say there was a point in my party days where I got very sick and went from doctor to doctor. From my research and my symptoms I had a doctor believe me and tell me it was candida and yeast problem. I did a treatment that I cannot recall right now, but I have the paperwork, if I can find it. I felt normal after a few months of heavy treatment with antibiotics. At one point my body started rejecting the antibiotics and I started getting allergic reactions from them. I also turned vegan and at the time organic. Not too long ago I was injured and had to leave my active job and found myself a nice office job. This is when I start noticing that people around me are scratching their throats, sniffling noses, sneezing, coughing, the scariest to me of them all are the red eyes. People will actually get  red eyes. I was convinced there was mold in the building, but after searching this I may have found my answer. I also do believe it may be getting worse. There has to be a solution to this madness. I don't want to lose my job since I'm doing very well, but I'm starting to feel that people are noticing it's me and that might start to change. I no longer want to be interact coworkers and they want me to be a trainer. My anxiety has almost taken over. I also just got into a brand new car that I don't want to lose so I'm looking so job options where I can work a bit more on the alone side so I don't have to affect others. It's pushing me to want to become my own boss and start my own company!

[Dj_Choppa]

HANDCOUNTING, I know how u feel.  I left my job to be my own boss.  This problem drives me to work as hard as i can to prevent having to return to work.

[Justincase_25]

Also take bentonite Clay is well. I take that on an empty stomach every morning !!   Everything you use has to be organic. Whenever you buy soap, only simple ingredients need to be in the soup.   When you eat, Whole Foods only which sucks but it will help I promise. I limit my alcohol intake to one or two shots a month of vodka just to feel buzzed before I go out .    I really do go out because of the reactions that I get. A lot of people do say that I smell or the point and say oh my god that’s him omg he stinks !!   And I literally is in bearable because I am very handsome.  I don’t have trouble finding anybody to hook up with online however I have trouble hooking up with them again. It just sucks but in all honesty he we will overcome this!

[hopeful12345]

Hey Justin, glad the B-complex has helped.  For the bad breath/body odor, I would recommend trying RAW Kombucha by Garden of Life.  It helped me reduce my body odor due to TMAU.  I take 3 capsules in the morning and 3 at night.

[mindspace]

HI hopeful12345.Sorry but I have to tell you that I had awfull smell gases when I was taking Raw Kombucha and I had yeast smell when I was taking Sacharromyces boulardii.So believe me bud It's all individual.I suggest to Justin to not take Raw Kombucha.In my case what helps with bad,breath,body odor is probiotic with low histamine and zinc 10mg and b12 rich foods except diary.(probiotic name is Lactare Daily).Maybe Raw Kombucha would help people with TMAU but I don't think I have it.

[hopeful12345]

Hi mindspace, sorry to hear you had an unpleasant experience with it.  I know when people first start taking kombucha they might experience some flatulence (pass some gas) because it is a digestive supplement, so it affects the gut biome.  However, for me the gas went away after a few days and it was fine afterwards.  Like you say, it's all individual, and different bodies have different reactions to different products.  Therefore, I think justincase should at least try kombucha for a week or so to see if it helps him.  You can't know how something will affect you if you don't try it out first.

[Justincase_25]

PATM  still here unfortunately. I currently am following a candida diet.   I will say taking a B complex has reduced my reactions drastically. I also am taking milk thistle ,  desiccated beef liver pills, parasite cleanse, and mastic gum. I only added the mastic gum because I have extreme halitosis, and that is a correlation with  having H  pylori.   Not saying that I’m positive for H pylori, but   I am treating for that just in case I am. I also have been increasing my fiber intake as well. I I am reducing the amount of protein that I take in my body because it seems that whenever I eat a lot of protein rich meals or even use my protein isolate powder’s, My P ATM is worsened .  If you have anymore questions please leave them here and I will answer as soon as I can

[mindspace]

Hi Justincase_25.Which brand B-complex you use?Bad breath is due to so many antibiotics you took.It's a similar story like mine.I cured my bad breath with probiotic which contains zinc 10mg.

[mindspace]

And  Justincase_25 is nice to be frequently here because we need some more information what helps.I think my theory about methylation and mutated DNA gene and b12 deficiency why b-complex helps to reduce patm symptoms.

[Jorn123]

Pelp me

[LittleCrab]

How about your patm?

[thankers]

Hey justincase how are your symptoms currently? I literally went threw all of your posts. Have you been able to reduce your symptoms?

[Justincase_25]

URGENT !!!!!!!!!

Everyone, I have figured it out!! I know exactly what is going on in our bodies.  Alot pf you app have been saying that you sweat alot, there is an ammonia smell coming from you, etc.  Speaking from my own experiences, I asked my closest friends if they smell anything on me after I go for a run.  They say like a bleach smell but it's more like an AMMONIA smell.  

Guys, our livers are messed up.  My hypothesis:  I started working out and increased my protein intake BY ALOT .  I would notice a couple of reactions from people and thought nothing of the matter.  At a music festival, the only thing I ate for those teo days were protein bars...snd then boom.  The PATM started.  My liver was failing due to the amount of protein I was taking.  Your liver is responsible for digesting proteins; however, if it's not functioning properly or effectively (poor nutrition, environmental exposures, colognes, etc) it will produce AMMONIA IN OUR BODIES and into our BLOODSTREAM.  Guys, this is exactly why most of you ate patm free because you did the cleanses and toook amino acids.  Amino acids are used to help the liver and kidneys fucntion properly!!  That's why when people took Dessicated Beef Liver pills, black seed oil, and oxy powder, they were PATM FREE!!  I currently am experiencing lessened symptoms.  I'm following a protein free diet as well as a dugar free diet.  I've been using laxatives, oxy powder,and running everyday.  My brain fog is almost gone!!  My PATM reactions are finally dying down.  Research this!!  I'm 100000000000% sure this is what is causing all of our issues.  Also , I could have a candida overgrowth as well.  I am currently taking candida cleanse from Purely Hollistic, am picking up more SB probiotics, and sticking to a more vegan diet.

Additionally, im going to copy and paste what this article said about while bacteria and the colon are playing a role in this right here:

DETOXIFYING AMMONIA

Ammonia toxicityIn part 2 of AMMONIA TOXICITY we are going to find out what we can do to remove ammonia from our body, both by supporting the organs involved in processing and disposing of it, and by taking supplements with an affinity for removing ammonia.

We have seen that there are 3 organ systems in the body that produce and/or deal with ammonia: the liver, the kidneys and the intestines. Let’s look at each one separately and see what we can do to facilitate their ammonia detoxification functions.

THE LIVER: FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST AMMONIA

Removal of ammonia begins with the liver, therefore keeping the liver healthy and well functioning will clearly help to improve ammonia removal. Since a major medical indicator of liver failure is high levels of ammonia in the bloodstream, it follows that detoxifying the liver may well be the best way to remove ammonia from the body.

The liver normally receives some ammonia via the intestines, from the bacterial break-down of amino acids found in dietary protein. A healthy liver detoxifies that ammonia, by converting it into urea, which is then removed from the body by way of the urine. But, if the liver is malfunctioning, the ammonia remains unprocessed, and will enter the bloodstream.

To enhance the detoxification pathways, the liver uses sulfur compounds to produce the antioxidant glutathione. The amino acid L-cysteine is the most crucial sulfur compound needed by the liver to produce glutathione. The best way to get L-cysteine into the body, in supplemental form, is to use N-acetyl-cysteine. NAC is a powerful antioxidant and immune stimulant, and as well has been shown to support lung function, and to help remove heavy metals.

It should be noted that taking NAC is more efficient at raising glutathione levels than taking actual glutathione, in supplement form. Vitamin C is also a potent elevator of glutathione production, with 500mg being sufficient to create this response. Other supplements that can effectively raise glutathione levels include Milk Thistle Extract, Alpha Lipoic Acid, L-Glutamine and Whey protein. The highest food sources of sulfur compounds include members of the cruciferous vegetable family (broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, etc), as well as eggs, soy, legumes, garlic and onions.

THE ROLE OF THE KIDNEYS IN REMOVING AMMONIA

Symptomsof hyperammonemiaAfter the liver has detoxified the ammonia, by turning it into urea, the kidneys are the next step in filtration before it is removed via the urine.

Surprisingly, part of keeping the kidneys functioning well is keeping the blood sugar levels stable. If we have consistent high blood sugar levels, it causes the kidneys to filter too much blood and, by overworking them, we reduce their filtering capacity. High blood sugar levels can lead to reduced potassium levels in the blood, and if too much potassium is excreted it leads to alkaline urine. Urine that is too alkaline will reduce the amount of ammonia that is removed by the kidneys.

Three amino acids, L-Arginine, L-Citrulline and L-Ornithine, are necessary components of the urea cycle, and are therefore believed to work as protective agents against ammonia toxicity. They do this by stimulating urea formation, which aids the kidneys in performing their detoxification function. All three of these amino acids may be purchased in supplemental form. But, of the three, L-Ornithine is particularly helpful for removing ammonia from the brain, because the brain does not contain the ornithine-related enzyme necessary to render ammonia harmless by changing it into urea.

Commonly suggested is 500mg of L-Ornithine in the evening and 500mg of L-Arginine in the morning to aid in neutralizing ammonia in the liver, the body and in urine. A larger quantity of these 2 amino acids may be taken, but remember to take them on an empty stomach.

Eating celery or drinking celery juice daily will help kidney function, and also electrolyte balance. Celery also works to removes excess uric acid from the blood, a further aid to kidney function.

INTESTINAL HEALTH AND AMMONIA DETOXIFICATION

As mentioned above, small amounts of ammonia are produced as a byproduct of the normal digestion of proteins, and the body is prepared to handle this quantity. However, parasites, bad bacteria, and candida yeast overgrowth in the intestinal tract, can produce more ammonia than the body is equipped to deal with, leading to a compromised immune system.

Taking probiotics (friendly bacteria) maintains healthy bacterial flora, which in turn, reduces yeast overgrowth, and lowers the pH level of the large intestine, making it far more acidic. This is a place where being acidic is good. When the large intestine has a high level of acidity, the ammonia produced by intestinal bacteria remains in an ionized form. In this form, it is easily dissipated from the body, without entering into general circulation through the blood, and burdening the kidneys, liver and brain.

This is the approach we take guys.  This is what's wrong with us.  This is why we sweat profusely. This is why we smell of ammonia or fish or whatever it is!  Let's heal TOGETHER!!  

I hope you all find this useful!  I will continue to post my results a little later in September!

Have a great day everyone :) REMAIN STRONG !  Stay hopeful and grateful!

[Justincase_25]

Here is another beneficial read :

FAST FOOD MEATS

Those who eat fast-food burgers and cheap hamburger can unwittingly be consuming ammonia along with their “food”, due to the filler known as “pink slime.” “Pink slime” (called “lean finely textured beef” by the meat industry) is a processed beef product that was originally used in pet food and later approved for human consumption. In March 2012, ABC News claimed that 70 % of ground beef sold in U.S. supermarkets contained this additive.

Pink Slime is used as a filler, or to reduce the overall fat content of ground beef, and is produced by processing meat by-products such as cartilage, connective tissue and sinew. The recovered beef material is then processed, heated, and treated with gaseous ammonia to kill E. coli, salmonella, and other harmful bacteria. After coming in contact with water in the meat, the gaseous ammonia forms into ammonium hydroxide. When this “meat” is consumed the ammonia can enter the bloodstream elevating levels.

PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS OF AMMONIA TOXICITY

Since there is no current medical belief in slight ammonia toxicity, we can get a handle on what the symptoms might look like by seeing extreme examples of the ingestion of massive doses of ammonium chloride by humans and experimental animals.

Early physical symptoms of elevated blood ammonia include fatigue, muscle weakness, loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, pain in the back, sides or abdomen, or other symptoms of liver and kidney damage. Excessive levels of ammonia hinder the production of the energy molecule ATP, which leads to fatigue and eventually, flaccid muscle tone. As well, ammonia raises levels of nitrogen-based, damaging free radicals in the body.

Toxicity symptoms can also include breathing difficulties (especially with a burning sensation in the lungs), glucose intolerance, and increased urinary output of magnesium, calcium and phosphate.

TREATING HIGH AMMONIA LEVELS

A protein-restricted diet is the first step in treating high ammonia levels. This is usually combined with administration of fiber supplements and laxatives to increase bowel movements and flush ammonia out of the gut. Antibiotics may be prescribed to reduce the number of bacteria in the intestine and decrease the amount of ammonia produced in the bowel. If ammonia levels remain dangerously elevated, liver transplantation may be a consideration.

I'm going to take garlic instead of antibiotics.  I'll let you guys know everything soon!!

[grateful2011]

God Bless you @justincase25 !

Whatever course of "actions" you decide to choose to become patm free

they must be consistent - 365 days each year , 24-7 !!!

Being patm free is a lifestyle , not a diet !!!!

[mindspace]

Yes grateful2011.You're right.It's a lifestyle.I am so happy that I've made serious changes in my life.Also what is important-avoiding people with bad energy because I have such people around me.I know now that they don't
deserve me and my friendship.We all need good energy and vibrations.

[Justincase_25]

I can agree with the stress.  I have a stressful job...(RN for level 1 trauma) Moreover,  stress is everyday for me.  When a patient codes on me or comes in as a stroke alert, my reactions are WORSE!  It definitively coincides with the bad bacteria in our bodies.   I'm going to buy some garlic capsules soon..  going on vacation soon...Miami is 3 hours away so I'm blessed LOL!  As far as keeping a positive attitude, I haven't lost any friends.  My roomates on the other hand have been hiding in their room as soon as I come home.  I can't blame them; however, they told me that they don't feel sick around me.  "It's all in my head" but they throw up, sneeze, can't stop coughing and giving me the worst looks ever.  I workout everyday...but when I do, I get super aroused...so I have sex more.  Obviously safe sex, but it's a need for me instead of a want.

Getting more oxy powder because I bave noticed an improvement in my IBS related symptoms.  I have yet to try a liver cleanse...that would be my next guess.  I will get the liver cleanse from global healing center.  Have a good one mindspace!

[Justincase_25]

Hello to everyone again!

I have to say....living with this horrible disease is terrible.  From what I've witnessed during this horrible time in our lives,  I've come to a couple of theories...

1.  People are allergic.  Their stomachs hurt within 100 feet of us, they have IBS related symptoms like us, and their eyes hurt.  Additionally,  they cough and also get strep throat from us.  I've had multiple people tell me that they have developed  ulceractive colitis, and they do not know why.  Theu are extremely dizzy around me and are short of breath.  I have noticed when I'm on the phone with someone,  they start developing the same symptoms as if they were directly next to me!!  People look either directly at my stomach with a disgisted look....or, they look at my butt with a disgusted look.  My butt is nice because i squat..so its very odd...

2.  I have gotten strep 7 TIMES THIS YEAR ! 7 TIMES!!!!  Lol ....when prescribed antibiotics (arithromycin, augmentin) my reactions were WORSE. Futhermore, I started to feel better.  My stomach would stop its IBS symptoms and I'd be okay.  

3. Eating.  When I eat PROCESSED SUGAR in ANY FORM, I immediatley develop strep throat.  Additionally, my body gets inflammed and I feel lethargic for the rest of the day.  If I eat fruit, I'm okay.  If i eat chips, im okay.  If I eat a Reeses, I'm DONE LOL !

From all of this gathered, I've done it all.  I've dieted for months, lost a lot of weight,  but I haven't noticed any relief in symptoms.  I've tried everything....saccromyces, oxy powder, garlic, turmeric, restore, etc..you name, I took it. NO RELIEF.  

Has anyone been STD tested yet?  I've only been HIV tested...but there is this new super gonorrhea going around.   It is resistant to alot of antibiotics so I'm a bit worried.  Additonally, I'm young and very good looking.  I live in Orlando...so everyone is always hooking up...including myself.   I'm surprised i still can have sex with the reactions still taking place LOL !  Just wondering if i might be on to something here....

Have a great weekend everyone !  Stay hopeful and grateful ...do NOT give up

[mindspace]

Hi Justin.Forget about antibiotics dude really.Do you know that traditional medicine can't cure chronic diseases?You have to think in a different way.
The last antibiotic and medicine I had taken was 9 months ago.Since then I reduced about 80% of the reactions.Due to round of antibiotics I have mycotoxins in my gut.And that's not the whole problem.What I think is that these mycotoxins feed on moisture and electromagnetic radiation.That is the hardest part.Forget about brown rice protein powder and saccharomyces boulardii-does not work for me.Oxy powder is ok.We have to make effective liver flushes and colon cleanses first.For the colon cleanse you know oxy powder is ok.Liver flush is with extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice.Read more about liver flush.It's important.You may need digestive enzymes when you have heavy meals.Also coenzyme q10 is ok.And because I have parasites-I saw it in my stool- I'm still on a antiparasite program wormwood+clove+walnut tincture which also helps.So we need probiotics,not antibiotics.Probiotic should be with more bifidobacteria and lactobacillus acidophilus and plantarum.Don't take probiotic with lactobacillus paracasei and bulgaricus which are high in histamine and that increase allergic reactions.It's important that you should take no more than 6 billion per capsule daily.It's because that probiotics with more billions per capsule are stress for our body.Reducing stress is important for our situation because stress feeds pathogens in the body-it's related to adrenal glands,cortisol etc especially if you're blood type A-because blood type A is unique.You have to reduce as much as possible electromagnetic exposure especially-laptop,smartphones,wi-fi,wireless etc.Don't sleep with laptop and smartphone on the bed.And there  are electromagnetic field protectors.Read about it.You know to avoid sugar and all diary also white flour.Stuck with whole wheat bread,brown rice,fruits are ok for me.Eat more organic foods.Avoid GMO as possible-it increases allergic reactions.I have great benefits of all these things.Don't be anxious.Keep calm.It's the toxins which makes you anxious and aggressive.Now I'm feeling much more energy and I'm very positive.I love all people who are  
around me.Good luck.

[Akindofpsoriasis]

Hi,
I am also suffering with patm and its been two years. No medicine will work. You can do first thing is drink at least 4 glass of water as u wake up in the morning. And do pranayama , kapalbhatti for 30 mins and anulom vilom for 30 mins. This vill surely help you and with in a week u vill see the changes. And less reactions.

[patm_fighter]

Agree with you bro,being optimistic is the key,laugh about it joke about it ,Ignore it and keep your mind occupied iwth something else,it will slowly fade away slowly.Most of the cure is in your mind!

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/People-Allergic-to-Me-PATM/How-I-Fight-PATM-/show/2947494#post_14085612

[mindspace]

Hi Justincase_25.Happy Hollidays and greetings to Orlando.I have a friend living in Orlando.She is my best friend and she works as a nurse in a hospital there like you maybe and she is my inspiration of life.So unfortunately I'm very far from Orlando but I hope someday I'll go there to visit her.Looks like I have problems similar to yours.So we should never take antibiotic anymore because that increases PATM reactions and damages the intestinal flora.That is a huge factor I think about our situation.At the moment I am only using oxy powder and saccharomyces boulardii but I wanna purchase brown rice protein also but something I read about this makes me worry.I hope that grateful2011 will answer me.I like that that you're so positive so stay that way and keep us updated.Happy hollidays to all!

[grateful2011]

Hi mind space, Merry Christmas!

hopeful12345 is the originator of the suggested use of brown rice protein powder. I have used it since his suggestion with no problem, however I did not know about this "chemical" that you state is negative to our health ?

I am now using diatomaceous earth food grade
each morning and am totally satisfied with my results - I also take bentonite clay liquid a couple times a day.

So far I have not found the need to use the brown rice protein powder again.  I'm  monitoring my progress  through this change.

Do your research , youtube videos have been helpful to me.

Keep us updated on your progress and God Bless !

[grateful2011]

I prefer Dove unscented bar soap - compared to their liquid version !!! ( to me it appears that the unscented liquid - has a fragrance ????)

I have never tried unscented coconut oil soap bar or liquid - it sounds great though !
Do you use it ? What brand and can I get it on Amazon ?

[mindspace]

Hi grateful2011.Brand is NutriBiotic.Also another one-Madre Labs, Exfoliating Soap Bar, with Shea Butter, Marula & Tamanu, Unscented.What do you think?

[grateful2011]

Sounds good, I will have to buy one of those and check it out . Which one do you use ?

How long have you used it ?
Are you satisfied with it ?

[mindspace]

I'm at the beginning of all that hell that I have to go through.So that's why I ask you about which soap sounds good for you.I want to purchase soap and supplements today or tomorrow.For now I only use Oxy Powder and S. boulardii.In October I took antibiotic for gums and there was awfull smell from the guts.And I realized that I have to quit with antibiotics and med pills.

[hopeful12345]

Hey justincase_25, I usually take probiotics on an empty stomach (usually first thing in the morning) so that they face no competition from food.  I never took them at the same time as antifungals (usually took them at least 3-4 hours apart) because they kill good bacteria as well as bad.  I am not aware of any issue with taking probiotics as the same time as Oxy Powder, because Oxy Powder is really just magnesium and oxygen.

[Justincase_25]

Hopeful12345, when do I take the probiotics?   I feEl like every time I do the Oxy powder, it gets rid of the little good critters.  Not sure how true that is.  I just need your advice again!  I just bought some more brown rice powder.  I did buy some max amino caps from the vitamin store which had the same 20 amino acids in it.  No improvements yet, but I'm staying HOPEFUL!! :)


To withdrawnupnorth,  stay positive.   Don't give up !  You got this.  I understand the hard struggle that this is.  It literally is a horrible battle,  but you will come up on top.  Follow the leaky gut diet if the candida diet isn't working.   I'm really going crazy because I miss bread, chips,  pasta, ALL CARBS LOL !  Just stay with it.   We got this!

Have a good weekend everyone!

[withdrawnupnorth]

Im doing the candi.gone cleansing,
No oxy powder or brown rice protein powder I dont know if I shud buy it if its not working. I am going by leaky gut.  So hardvto keep track whats working for everyone. One person said hes cured with oxy powder n brown rice protein but cant get yhat here. Trying candigone n my headaches n sinus is finally gone. But still gettingvreactions at work..freaken depressed nothing working.

[Justincase_25]

Hello to everyone!

I just wanted to keep you all updated that I am still going through this battle.  I read up on neurotransmitter imbalances and I'm not sure if that is the cause of the symptoms.  I believe leaky gut is the ROOT of it all.  Hopeful12345 hit it right on the money.  We have to heal our guts everyone!  

As much as I LOVE alcohol and marijuana, I have to stop it.  I will say that the reactions have not ruined my life. Some people find out that it is me, especially at work and bars/clubs/restaurants.  All I have to say is keep your head STRONG.  Understand that this is a long battle and we will overcome this horrible fight!  

If any of  you are feeling down or suicidal, PLEASE reach out to me.  I have felt feelings of doom lately as well as dark thoughts.  I understand and I am here for you all.  

Best of luck to you all!

Justin Case

[hopeful12345]

Glad you are keeping a positive head, Justin!  We're all rooting for you!  Grateful2011 has had some success with the Brown Rice Protein Powder.  If you are still taking it but not seeing much change, I suggest you do the following:  

--Use a mug/glass
--Pour water in first
--Put two spoonfuls of the powder in (instead of one)
--Mix thoroughly
--Drink this once a day (each morning before breakfast)

I think it's best to put it in water because there's no other ingredients to distract from the product.  And two spoons create a thicker mix that is more potent for solving leaky gut.

Continued wishes for progress!

[withdrawnupnorth]

I tried the candida diet, supplements..I sick all thevtime. So sick of this

[grateful2011]

URGENT: Google - solving leaky gut Steven Wright

[withdrawnupnorth]

Anything working for you

[imee02]

What you had been gone was my experience too up to now.. I am just staying strong for my family.. I was started to have PATM 4-5 yrs ago.. and i have kidney stone.. but i think it's nothing to do with my situation. My siblings and my family tells me that it's all in my mind,,even though some of them get cough, sneeze and even get fever.  I believe that we all have PATM have STRONG MIND that only us can solve the problem. We have to learn how to do it in our own. But i cannot do this w/ my own if i have work and family in me. I just need a big brake/ leave and have long vacation that can teach myself how to manage my own mind. Good diet, meditation, exercise and prayer most of all. Good luck to us! I love you guys.  

[Justincase_25]

I'm not cured at all.  I'm so glad everyone is joining this discussion !   To all of us, please stay strong and positive !!  I am currently at the doctors office where I will undergo the "cosyntropin stimulation " test.  If you aren't familiar with it, google has been a great help LOL !  In brief summary, this test only finds out if I have Addisons Disease or Cushings. .... (endocrine adrenal glands not fuctioning properly)

I found out that 100% of my symptoms are adrenal related.  I BARELY get any sleep, and I am always tired yet "wired" everyday.   If the endocrinologist says that I'm "healthy and 25 y/o" blah blah blah AGAIN, I will do the cortisol test.  

People don't understand that we come here because we NEED ANSWERS !  It ***** that people think that it's all in our head and we make this stuff up.  I have told a few people,  but they think it's all in my head.  

Last thing...I have noticed that when I'm stress free, my back doesn't hurt .  If I don't talk excessively in a room, there are  some slight reactions.  When I relax and use stress relief products from bath and body works, it seems to help my PATM reactions a little.  Just some food for thought :)  I have also noticed my cats reactions toward me and it hurts my soul .

[withdrawnupnorth]

Im on lorapam n sleepib pills it is helping the stress but not the ppl around me. I feel like quitting work, my doctor cant find nothing. I get alotbof sinuses

[painkiller100]

Hi guys? is there anybody that can say he/she is completly cured. or are you guys just feeling better?

[socalsufferer]

I've been dealing with this for about a year. I don't make too many people cough but I have symptoms of itchy eyes, nose, mouth area, ear, nape of neck, vaginal/rectal (sorry tmi). Before all of this started I was having a bit of abdominal discomfort ( sharp pains here and there)- but my ultrasound showed everything was fine. My labwork also shows that all as well. I can make people allergic to me from across a store or while driving I notice people having symptoms in their cars or even waiting at the crosswalk! Just the past few months I've noticed my pets getting itchy around me but once they settle down and go to bed they are fine. Same with my spouse. I wish there was a cure. My doctor said I was completely healthy so I'm debating whether or not to go in and ask for some diflucan (antifungal). Also, I read that some of us do not detox properly so it's either something releasing through our skin and while we breathe that makes us have patm. I read chlorella is good for detoxing metal as well as cilantro. ... And I also did that candida cleanse pill purely holistic and taking two a day for three days gave me horrible geez symptoms and since I was home alone I stopped taking them for precaution.

Everything was fine health wise but during a trip to Las Vegas last year I noticed the patm and then noticed it when I got back home and saw my family. People will get itchy and look at the area for a flea or what not or say that they don't know why their eyes are bothering them.

[socalsufferer]

Herx** not geez

[unravel]

Las Vegas may be the one to blame! My symptoms also started shortly after returning from a trip to Las Vegas. The city must be so rich in electromagnetic radiations as to disrupt our normal metabolism.

[Justincase_25]

I've been doing a lot of research, and I've come up with a hypothesis.  I'm going to see an endocrinologist,  hopefully with the next week, to check my adrenal glands.  I have a lot of the symptoms , especially since I'm an RN LOL !!  THAT COULD BE THE ROOT OF IT ALL !!  Dealing with tramatic situations for 12-14 hrs a day can transgress to adrenal fatigue.  I did check my TSH levels,  and they were normal.   They might have gotten worse since I've lost my friends to the Orlando tragedy.   Additionally,  I had to treat the many of the victims,  which at that point overworked my adrenals.  Keeping you all updated !!!

[Lifeisgoodbut]

Sorry  for your  Loss justincase_25. Let us know what comes out of your endocrinologist  visit. Am also thinking  might be hormonal  issues too!

[Justincase_25]

Thanks you so much!  I really appreciate that.  It is hard everyday for me, but I'm learning to cope without them :/. I went to the endocrinologist on Friday, and he is going to try injecting me with hormones.  I unfortunately don't remember which one because my brain was very foggy the entire time with the Dr.  I start the injections tomorrow to rule out adrenal fatigue.....I have all of the symptoms.   I started taking Stress Care from Vitamin Shoppe.....I believe its working .  I am tired and wired all of the time, and my body CRASHES everyday at 3pm LOL !  Some of my reactions are getting better.  People do still cough really bad, sneeze, and hold their breath when I'm near them .  However, their voices don't go away like they used to LOL !  I think it's strange that PATM has control over the trachea...idk...weird to think,  but it ***** for now.  

I'm about to meditate in my room right now.. Using lavender oil to ease my stresses as well.  

Hopeful12345, I am ordering more brown rice powder tomorrow when I get paid.  I have some more Candida Cleanse as well.  

Thanks everyoneand always remember to stay positive!  

[hopeful12345]

Stay strong, and good luck!

[Lifeisgoodbut]

Thanks  for the  update. I  will also talk to my doc about hormones next Tuesday.

And also, I use activia yogurt  after eating and thinking it helps  with  my digestion and I use therabreath mouth wetting  lozenges and I think it helps  too. I have had times that ppl  don't react  at all and those times  are always  sweet!


Just like  you in the health  field,  I am also a nursing  student  and for the past few months, I have been struggling because  of patm and am really sad about it because  I was not able to enjoy my beautiful  program.

But I know we  will get through  this thing!

[Justincase_25]

To help with my patm induced IBS, I drank some kefir milk from "Greek Gods" .  I got it at our main grocery store here in Florida.   It was a SUCCESS when I combined it with the sacchromicches boulardi from Jarrow Formulas that Hopeful12345 suggested .  Try tat together and I believe you will have painful poops LOL !

[Justincase_25]

Additionally,  I'm using antibacterial soaps, no deodorant,  or shampoos at all.  

[withdrawnupnorth]

Does it work

[Justincase_25]

I haven't noticed an reduction in symptoms.   I will say that once I notice the reactions, I start to panic a little.  When I panic, the reactions INCREASE .  Strange notion, but that is what I've been experiencing.

[dontgiveuphope]

If Soap and shampoo helps to sweat like Epsom Salt then it will definitely help. Any products that sucks out sweat will always be an advantage because they remove accumulating toxins on sweat glands.

[Justincase_25]

Hey hopeful12345.  

I am only eating these products:

Breakfast : 3 Cage free eggs served with a salad made of organic lettuce, organic tomatoes, and organic avocado.  Or , I just eat eggs and avocado.

Lunch: Either Grass free steak or no antibiotics ever, organic chicken with either organic brocoli, califlower, asparagus,  kale, spinach, a little tomatoe, or more avocado.   It all depends on my mood.  

Dinner is the same as lunch to be honest.  I haven't changed anything at all (because I already eat like this) , however,  the grass fed and organic chicken is new to my diet. I usually season with pink himalayan salt, pepper, oregano, tyme, and thats all.  Tons of water bottles in my house, but it could be the bpa in them ? Not sure if it's that since I go to the sauna everyday at LA Fitness,  and I of course see the horrible faces people make when I'm in the sauna.  

I haven't touched coffee, tea, alcohol,  sugar, wheat,  white, or any kind of grain for 3 weeks now.  

Just staying hopeful and patient as I figure out what's going on.  Also tried the dessicated beef liver pills,  and that didn't work or seem to reduce PATM reactions at all.  

Heading to the sauna now !  I'm about to run out of the Candida Cleanse from Purely Holistic.  Do you think I should purchase more , or should I wait it out to see if I need to rid my body of toxins ?!

Have a great weekend hoepful12345!!  Thanks for responding; it makes me feel like I'm not alone in this war LOL !

[hopeful12345]

Hey Justin, your diet sounds good.

I would consider buying one more bottle of the Candida Cleanse; it's a good idea to have it back-to-back to keep the momentum going.

I'm curious.  Has there been any decrease at all in the reactions since you started taking the supplements?  Also, are you still taking the brown rice powder?

[Justincase_25]

Wasn't sure if you didn't see my other comment.  I have noticed a slight reduction in symptoms.   I don't know which one worked LOL idk if the quercetin,  brown rice powder, l glutamine,  or any of the other products I'm taking caused a reduction in PATM reactions.  

I will keep you posted on my cortisol levels and stuff.  I feel like I have adrenal fatigue.   That would make a lot more since,  however,  it would have to be a severe hormone inbalance since PATM LOL !

Have a great week hopeful12345 !

[withdrawnupnorth]

Is it working justin..your diet. Im getting stressed at work with people around me snifling, cough and saying their nosvitbitchy only when im around