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More research connecting gluten to thryoid disease
This article is from Mary Shomon, thyroid patient advocate.
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/latestresearch/a/celiac.htm
Many of you know my antibody attacks quit after I quit gluten. Though I know the GF diet isn't for everyone, keep in mind that gluten be the source of your thyroid disease.
:) Tamra
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/latestresearch/a/celiac.htm
Many of you know my antibody attacks quit after I quit gluten. Though I know the GF diet isn't for everyone, keep in mind that gluten be the source of your thyroid disease.
:) Tamra
Hashimoto's typically involves a slow but steady destruction of the gland that eventually results in the thyroid's inability to produce sufficient thyroid hormone -- the condition known as hypothyroidism.
Along the way, however, there can be periods where the thyroid sputters back to life, even causing temporary hyperthyroidism, then a return to hypothyroidism.
This cycling back and forth between hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism is characteristic of Hashimoto's disease.
So, for example, periods of anxiety/insomnia/diarrhea/weight loss may be followed by periods of depression/fatigue/constipation/weight gain.
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo.htm
Along the way, however, there can be periods where the thyroid sputters back to life, even causing temporary hyperthyroidism, then a return to hypothyroidism.
This cycling back and forth between hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism is characteristic of Hashimoto's disease.
So, for example, periods of anxiety/insomnia/diarrhea/weight loss may be followed by periods of depression/fatigue/constipation/weight gain.
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/hashivshypo.htm
Notice in my last posting I said ...PHASE.
Because thats all it is ...a phase of normal levels while having Hashimoto antibodies.
Because thats all it is ...a phase of normal levels while having Hashimoto antibodies.
I do not have Hashi's but do have Graves and my dosage of T4 med has also been decreased in the past but that had nothing whatsoever to do with gluten free as I am not gluten free.
I did notice that the less I ate, the less T4 med I needed and I have no thyroid.
It had nothing to do with the Graves antibodies ....just the fact that I was MORE active at work and eating LESS...hence the need for a decrease in meds.
But Yes I do agree with Goolarras postings in the fact that G/F has been rammed down our throats non stop for the past few months with no scientific back up to prove that it is beneficial to EVERYONE.
Personally myself...I have no issues with the gut,intestines or gluten so will continue taking gluten.
There are too many quacks out there who tell you a heap of garbage.
If it works for some...then great but it is NOT for everyone.
But it is also worthwhile remembering that MANY Hashi persons will go through a 'normal' thyroid function level 'phase' even though they have Hashi antibodies.
And that IS a scientific fact.
I did notice that the less I ate, the less T4 med I needed and I have no thyroid.
It had nothing to do with the Graves antibodies ....just the fact that I was MORE active at work and eating LESS...hence the need for a decrease in meds.
But Yes I do agree with Goolarras postings in the fact that G/F has been rammed down our throats non stop for the past few months with no scientific back up to prove that it is beneficial to EVERYONE.
Personally myself...I have no issues with the gut,intestines or gluten so will continue taking gluten.
There are too many quacks out there who tell you a heap of garbage.
If it works for some...then great but it is NOT for everyone.
But it is also worthwhile remembering that MANY Hashi persons will go through a 'normal' thyroid function level 'phase' even though they have Hashi antibodies.
And that IS a scientific fact.
Tamra, you are an intelligent woman, so I'm sure you're not missing the point, rather evading it.
Yes, "new" and "different" ideas have been adopted in thyroid treatment throughout the years. However, these were based on science, not someone's holey theory.
You just said your antibodies have not changed...how can you still insist your antibody "attacks" have stopped? You're taking less hormone due to better absorption...more is getting into your bloodstream without being immediately eliminated. A moot point, isn't it?
The point is that your success can be shared, but it has to be done on a much more individual basis. You have abused it, and it has gotten out of perspective. I believe the forum is starting to suffer from it. Many, many of us have had just as much success to wellness, and we changed little to nothing in our diets. What works for you, might not work for someone else.
However, apparently you are right, NOTHING any of us can say will influence you in the slightest. I'm right; the world's wrong??? I'm getting quite tired of talking to the wall personally. I usually pretty much know when I've been flipped off.
Yes, "new" and "different" ideas have been adopted in thyroid treatment throughout the years. However, these were based on science, not someone's holey theory.
You just said your antibodies have not changed...how can you still insist your antibody "attacks" have stopped? You're taking less hormone due to better absorption...more is getting into your bloodstream without being immediately eliminated. A moot point, isn't it?
The point is that your success can be shared, but it has to be done on a much more individual basis. You have abused it, and it has gotten out of perspective. I believe the forum is starting to suffer from it. Many, many of us have had just as much success to wellness, and we changed little to nothing in our diets. What works for you, might not work for someone else.
However, apparently you are right, NOTHING any of us can say will influence you in the slightest. I'm right; the world's wrong??? I'm getting quite tired of talking to the wall personally. I usually pretty much know when I've been flipped off.
No, I'm not missing the point here. Any idea that doesn't fit into your nice little box is considered absurd and not worth sharing. It's very discouraging for new thyroid patients who come here looking for a way out of their misery and all other options have failed.
Many years ago, when the approach to treating thyroid disease was simply measuring and treating TSH with a synthetic T4 drug, those who screamed for T3 hormone and FT3 and reverse T3 tests were shunned by many high ranking doctors. Actually, that practice is still going on today by many otherwise esteemed endos. If these conventional thyroid treatments worked so well, we wouldn't need this forum.
Now, here I am, sharing my success, which, absolutely is thyroid related if my antibody attacks have STOPPED, and I'm taking MUCH less thyroid hormone and if MANY of my Hashi friends are seeing similar results with a change in diet. But my dietary changes are not to your liking, so I must be silenced. That is the point I'm getting.
I have a right to share my success story with other thyroid patients. I will not be bullied. I have already been to hell and back, so your insults mean little and do not dampen my mood. NOTHING you say will discourage me from sharing my journey to wellness.
I've got a busy week and may not make it to the forum, so someone else will have the last word, I'm sure.
Take care everyone...
:) Tamra
Many years ago, when the approach to treating thyroid disease was simply measuring and treating TSH with a synthetic T4 drug, those who screamed for T3 hormone and FT3 and reverse T3 tests were shunned by many high ranking doctors. Actually, that practice is still going on today by many otherwise esteemed endos. If these conventional thyroid treatments worked so well, we wouldn't need this forum.
Now, here I am, sharing my success, which, absolutely is thyroid related if my antibody attacks have STOPPED, and I'm taking MUCH less thyroid hormone and if MANY of my Hashi friends are seeing similar results with a change in diet. But my dietary changes are not to your liking, so I must be silenced. That is the point I'm getting.
I have a right to share my success story with other thyroid patients. I will not be bullied. I have already been to hell and back, so your insults mean little and do not dampen my mood. NOTHING you say will discourage me from sharing my journey to wellness.
I've got a busy week and may not make it to the forum, so someone else will have the last word, I'm sure.
Take care everyone...
:) Tamra
K's book has a huge bibliography. However, I don't think it's incumbent on us to go through it all to find the studies that actually support his theory...it's incumbent on YOU as the promoter of this theory to provide links to the original studies.
As I've said right along...if it makes you feel better, do it...but do not proclaim it to be cause or cure of Hashi's without studies to prove it. Your friends' antibodies may have gone down by the thousands, but are they down to zero? That's really all that's important. If they haven't gone to zero, then they will continue to destroy thyroid function, and they will eventually again require thyroid meds.
I totally agree: ".Maybe we don't all agree that gluten and leaky gut syndrome is somehow connected to thyroid disease, but I think we can all agree that if you remove something from your diet and you feel better, then it was a wise decision to remove it." Absolutely, but if you cannot positively link this to an improvement in your THYROID condition, then perhaps the amount of exposure it's received here is inappropriate to a THYROID forum.
"I'm sure there are many, many thyroid patients with similar stories, and I feel compelled to help them know that they might have the same results as me through dietary changes." This is the point, Tamra, there is no evidence that this approach helps thyroid patients who do not have other issues (gut, general health, poor diet, etc.). You have to relate this to THYROID patients.
I think you missed a post or two (or two hundred) when you were scrolling. Your "three most recent posts about my progress" were but the tip of the iceberg in all your posts over the last few months pushing the book and the gluten/Hashi's connection. I would invite any one interested to scroll a little more slowly through your posts. I'm sorry, but you took a very selective sampling of your posts. You and I both have the same disease, so we are naturally attracted to the same questions on the forum...I read a lot of your replies...there were literally hundreds promoting both K and g/f.
As I've said right along...if it makes you feel better, do it...but do not proclaim it to be cause or cure of Hashi's without studies to prove it. Your friends' antibodies may have gone down by the thousands, but are they down to zero? That's really all that's important. If they haven't gone to zero, then they will continue to destroy thyroid function, and they will eventually again require thyroid meds.
I totally agree: ".Maybe we don't all agree that gluten and leaky gut syndrome is somehow connected to thyroid disease, but I think we can all agree that if you remove something from your diet and you feel better, then it was a wise decision to remove it." Absolutely, but if you cannot positively link this to an improvement in your THYROID condition, then perhaps the amount of exposure it's received here is inappropriate to a THYROID forum.
"I'm sure there are many, many thyroid patients with similar stories, and I feel compelled to help them know that they might have the same results as me through dietary changes." This is the point, Tamra, there is no evidence that this approach helps thyroid patients who do not have other issues (gut, general health, poor diet, etc.). You have to relate this to THYROID patients.
I think you missed a post or two (or two hundred) when you were scrolling. Your "three most recent posts about my progress" were but the tip of the iceberg in all your posts over the last few months pushing the book and the gluten/Hashi's connection. I would invite any one interested to scroll a little more slowly through your posts. I'm sorry, but you took a very selective sampling of your posts. You and I both have the same disease, so we are naturally attracted to the same questions on the forum...I read a lot of your replies...there were literally hundreds promoting both K and g/f.
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