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Cold turkey, tapering, methadone, suboxone
Just curios....after reading as of late..the past few months to be exact...i see more and more people resorting to suboxone/subutex to get clean...wondering?...how many had success with CT? tapering down and then quitting their DOC? SUB and now off of sub? methadone and now off of methadone? real stories from those who have made the 30 day clean mark from all narcotics and how u got clean...how u felt and advice u would pass on? the toughest time/like the first week/first day etc? what u would do different if u had to do it all over again...?
One more thing...anyone that is judging Suboxone need to read what Flmagi and Allaboutmary write. There was a time when I wanted to judge someone for taking suboxone but it saves people that have gotten so deep within their addiction that they are in danger. You can't judge someone that has tried other options and has found help with Suboxone.
Yes, there are people that will abuse Suboxone and any other drug but there are people that it saves their lives.
It's not for someone that has never tried to stop the drugs and wants an easy way out, it's for someone that has tried and tried many times to stop the drugs. From what I understand you do have wd's from suboxone if and when you taper off of it. So there is not easy cure fo withdrawls.
When it comes to Methadone, I have not read many or any good stories but I'm sure there are some. You can't judge someone for trying to do the right thing the best way they can.
Yes, there are people that will abuse Suboxone and any other drug but there are people that it saves their lives.
It's not for someone that has never tried to stop the drugs and wants an easy way out, it's for someone that has tried and tried many times to stop the drugs. From what I understand you do have wd's from suboxone if and when you taper off of it. So there is not easy cure fo withdrawls.
When it comes to Methadone, I have not read many or any good stories but I'm sure there are some. You can't judge someone for trying to do the right thing the best way they can.
I went CT Feb. 2007 almost 2 years. It was hard for 5-6 months but didn't want to trade on drug (lortabs) for another (suboxone).
I took ambien every night during the first 6 months it was hard to come off of it but I only took the recommened dose 10mg. The first 9 months were pretty tough times.
The past few months I have been dealing with some personal issues and will use something to sleep on occasion but I never take more than the prescribed amount mostly half the dose and never every night.
I have been very lucky to not ever crave lortabs or relapse I don't know why when so many others struggle.
I was just sick of the crazy circle of getting and taking pills and had enough. I don't care to ever go back to that it was too stressful.
I took ambien every night during the first 6 months it was hard to come off of it but I only took the recommened dose 10mg. The first 9 months were pretty tough times.
The past few months I have been dealing with some personal issues and will use something to sleep on occasion but I never take more than the prescribed amount mostly half the dose and never every night.
I have been very lucky to not ever crave lortabs or relapse I don't know why when so many others struggle.
I was just sick of the crazy circle of getting and taking pills and had enough. I don't care to ever go back to that it was too stressful.
Congrats rick412 - I am dreaming of day 50! Started at 20mg July 29th went up to 65mg then Detoxed from 65mg to 1 mg - today is day 3 clean. I am feeling ok... just have terrible RLS = Clonidine has helped a ton for the anxiety. I have been taking vitamins which I think have helped alot & melatonin for sleep. I am going to get some valierian Root today...hope that it works better than melatonin. I work full time so I am scared to death that this is going to get worse before it gets better. The cold chills are my biggest complaint. Does anyone know how long that typically might last? I am keeping my faith & know that without God I would not be at day 3 clean - I would still be a slave to Methadone.
i come from 60 mgs of methadone down to 15 . i started coming down 5 mgs a week. then 3mgs. then 2mgs. when i got to 15 i felt like **** all the time so i walked off. i got a room for a week . locked the door and entered hell. first 3 days not 2 bad. days 4-12 suxed. then everyday got better. i'm at day 50 and i really feel good.i do go to meetings.and i am so glad i did it i have some control of my life again.i've been on every pill you can think of. and loved the dope. but nothing is as bad as done. the paws seems like it will never end. but for the most part it has.my family like's me better. lol . and i have more money. i really like helping other's
1st post in this forum - I just found this place.
I'm currently on suboxone (Canada) and taking 16mg a day (2 x 8mg pills). I went for my "procedure" on Sept. 17 2008. I was taking 800-960mg of oxycontin a day (10-12 80mg pills a day) - obviously i did not start on that dose - it all started 5 years ago when perc's got boring and my friend found this pink, 20mg oxycontin pill. then like many of you, after years of abuse, the amount i had to take to feel normal/good increased exponentially.
over the past 5 years i tried to quit (i) cold-turkey, (ii) taper method (tried taper numerous times), (iii) at a government funded rehab clinic (the donwood centre), (iv) AAROD (anastethia assisted rapid opiate detoxification) using a naltrexone implant (naltrexone pellet) and finally (v) the suboxone procedure. the last 2 methods, AAROD and suboxone were costly (AAROD around $6,000 and suboxone around $3,000 plus medication (suboxone) every week. but suboxone has worked miracles so far. i understand that i have to eventually get off suboxone and that is going to be a struggle in itself, but my life would not have continued had i stayed on oxy's.
i was told by my doctor that i should not do any oxy's at least 12 hours before the suboxone procedure - if you are on a very low dose than there is an out-patient suboxone program available, but if you're dose is anything above 160mg per day (2 x 80mg oxycontin), you have to do in-patient program. i will be honest and say the night in the clinic was the worse night of my life. i don't remember all of it, but the parts i do remember i want to forget about. my doctor says that it was due to the fact that i was on a high dose of oxy so there were going to be some problems, BUT im pretty sure he made a mistake and gave me the suboxone too early (you are suppose to take your INITIAL dose when withdrawl symptoms are clearly evident ie. tremors, very watery eyes, etc) and because i was dosed too early it FORCED my body to go into withdrawl which was absolute hell. noticing he made a mistake because i was going insane now (about 30min to 1 hour after being dosed), my doctor had the nurse inject me in the butt with 4 vials of valium (2 x 2 vials, 1 in each butt cheek) because of the fact that i was bouncing off the walls and literally ready to jump out the window because i DID NOT want to go through with the procedure. eventually the valium kicked in and finally put me out (but not before i went throught a period of around 20minutes of full-out hallucinations). i woke up a few hours later and did not feel any pain anymore - the valium had totally calmed me down and i'm guessing the suboxone was starting to do it's thing so everything changed for the better. and for the rest of the time in the clinic everything just got better.
i was released 36 hours after being admitted and was taken staight to a hotel by a friend. the 1st night in the hotel was tough because it was hard to sleep, yet i was very tired. but on the 2nd night i smoked a little bit of marijuana (about 0.3mg i'd guess) and that made me feel great and put me to bed.
i was intially on a dose of 20mg for suboxone (2.5 x 8mg tablets) but have now got it down to 16mg. it costs around $90 per week now (again, in Canada and without a drug plan) and i have to go 2 times a week to the pharmacy so they can "WITNESS" me taking my dose (and then they give me my "CARRY" which i use until i come back for my next witness).
suboxone has been great, in the fact that i don't crave opiates at all, let alone oxycontin. i am totally happy smoking marijuana (about a gram a day max) at night and being "drug-free" during the days. ***** BUT, AFTER THE AAROD PROGRAM I WAS CLEAN FOR 6 MONTHS WITHOUT A WORRY IN THE WORLD - THEN IT ALL CAME CRASHING DOWN IN A SPAN OF 2 HOURS ONE DAY AND I HOOKED ON OXYCONTIN AGAIN - SO I'M NOT SAYING I'M DONE AND IN THE CLEAR YET... i'm just commenting that so far i'm all good and everything seems A-OK. i'm in the process of finding a psychiatrist/psychologist to help me with the mental part of addiction - as most of you know, we usually put all our efforts into fighting the physical addiction, which helps us temporarily get off a drug - but if the mental addiction is not addressed, there is a good chance that a relapse will occur (and this is 100% true regarding my history of drug abuse).
sorry, i have to go now and will have to complete this later on.
I HOPE SOMEONE WILL BENEFIT FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND THAT IS THE REASON I AM POSTING TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THE HELL THAT COMES WITH A HEAVY OPIATE ADDICTION (OR EVEN A LOW OPIATE ADDICITON FOR THAT MATTER) - IT'S NOT FUN BUT I PROMISE YOU THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. I KNOW THAT'S A GAY LINE, BUT IT'S TRUE. I REMEMBER SEARCHING THE NET FOR ANSWERS/CLUES THE WEEK BEFORE I WAS GOING TO GO IN FOR THE SUBOXONE TREATMENT, AND I WOULD LAUGH AT THE PEOPLE WRITING STUFF LIKE "... LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL." BUT GUYS, IT'S TRUE. the road ahead is not easy, the choices are going to be difficult, but if you are surrounded by the right people and you find the right doctor(s), you will beat your addiction.
I'm currently on suboxone (Canada) and taking 16mg a day (2 x 8mg pills). I went for my "procedure" on Sept. 17 2008. I was taking 800-960mg of oxycontin a day (10-12 80mg pills a day) - obviously i did not start on that dose - it all started 5 years ago when perc's got boring and my friend found this pink, 20mg oxycontin pill. then like many of you, after years of abuse, the amount i had to take to feel normal/good increased exponentially.
over the past 5 years i tried to quit (i) cold-turkey, (ii) taper method (tried taper numerous times), (iii) at a government funded rehab clinic (the donwood centre), (iv) AAROD (anastethia assisted rapid opiate detoxification) using a naltrexone implant (naltrexone pellet) and finally (v) the suboxone procedure. the last 2 methods, AAROD and suboxone were costly (AAROD around $6,000 and suboxone around $3,000 plus medication (suboxone) every week. but suboxone has worked miracles so far. i understand that i have to eventually get off suboxone and that is going to be a struggle in itself, but my life would not have continued had i stayed on oxy's.
i was told by my doctor that i should not do any oxy's at least 12 hours before the suboxone procedure - if you are on a very low dose than there is an out-patient suboxone program available, but if you're dose is anything above 160mg per day (2 x 80mg oxycontin), you have to do in-patient program. i will be honest and say the night in the clinic was the worse night of my life. i don't remember all of it, but the parts i do remember i want to forget about. my doctor says that it was due to the fact that i was on a high dose of oxy so there were going to be some problems, BUT im pretty sure he made a mistake and gave me the suboxone too early (you are suppose to take your INITIAL dose when withdrawl symptoms are clearly evident ie. tremors, very watery eyes, etc) and because i was dosed too early it FORCED my body to go into withdrawl which was absolute hell. noticing he made a mistake because i was going insane now (about 30min to 1 hour after being dosed), my doctor had the nurse inject me in the butt with 4 vials of valium (2 x 2 vials, 1 in each butt cheek) because of the fact that i was bouncing off the walls and literally ready to jump out the window because i DID NOT want to go through with the procedure. eventually the valium kicked in and finally put me out (but not before i went throught a period of around 20minutes of full-out hallucinations). i woke up a few hours later and did not feel any pain anymore - the valium had totally calmed me down and i'm guessing the suboxone was starting to do it's thing so everything changed for the better. and for the rest of the time in the clinic everything just got better.
i was released 36 hours after being admitted and was taken staight to a hotel by a friend. the 1st night in the hotel was tough because it was hard to sleep, yet i was very tired. but on the 2nd night i smoked a little bit of marijuana (about 0.3mg i'd guess) and that made me feel great and put me to bed.
i was intially on a dose of 20mg for suboxone (2.5 x 8mg tablets) but have now got it down to 16mg. it costs around $90 per week now (again, in Canada and without a drug plan) and i have to go 2 times a week to the pharmacy so they can "WITNESS" me taking my dose (and then they give me my "CARRY" which i use until i come back for my next witness).
suboxone has been great, in the fact that i don't crave opiates at all, let alone oxycontin. i am totally happy smoking marijuana (about a gram a day max) at night and being "drug-free" during the days. ***** BUT, AFTER THE AAROD PROGRAM I WAS CLEAN FOR 6 MONTHS WITHOUT A WORRY IN THE WORLD - THEN IT ALL CAME CRASHING DOWN IN A SPAN OF 2 HOURS ONE DAY AND I HOOKED ON OXYCONTIN AGAIN - SO I'M NOT SAYING I'M DONE AND IN THE CLEAR YET... i'm just commenting that so far i'm all good and everything seems A-OK. i'm in the process of finding a psychiatrist/psychologist to help me with the mental part of addiction - as most of you know, we usually put all our efforts into fighting the physical addiction, which helps us temporarily get off a drug - but if the mental addiction is not addressed, there is a good chance that a relapse will occur (and this is 100% true regarding my history of drug abuse).
sorry, i have to go now and will have to complete this later on.
I HOPE SOMEONE WILL BENEFIT FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND THAT IS THE REASON I AM POSTING TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THE HELL THAT COMES WITH A HEAVY OPIATE ADDICTION (OR EVEN A LOW OPIATE ADDICITON FOR THAT MATTER) - IT'S NOT FUN BUT I PROMISE YOU THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. I KNOW THAT'S A GAY LINE, BUT IT'S TRUE. I REMEMBER SEARCHING THE NET FOR ANSWERS/CLUES THE WEEK BEFORE I WAS GOING TO GO IN FOR THE SUBOXONE TREATMENT, AND I WOULD LAUGH AT THE PEOPLE WRITING STUFF LIKE "... LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL." BUT GUYS, IT'S TRUE. the road ahead is not easy, the choices are going to be difficult, but if you are surrounded by the right people and you find the right doctor(s), you will beat your addiction.
221 days clean used quick 8 day tapper of methadone and colonidine anti depressents and a sleep aid I started my tapper of meth with 30 mg droped 5 mg daily but statyed at 15 mg 2 days and 10 mg 2 days due to increase in vitals and S/S of W/D. 90 days out off the other meds the only thing I take now is naprosin (NSAID) for pain and do my exercises. I went to a Detox center at the VA to get help with all of this.
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