Cold turkey, tapering, methadone, suboxone

[worried878]

Just curios....after reading as of late..the past few months to be exact...i see more and more people resorting to suboxone/subutex to get clean...wondering?...how many had success with CT?  tapering down and then quitting their DOC?   SUB and now off of sub?  methadone and now off of methadone?  real stories from those who have made the 30 day clean mark from all narcotics and how u got clean...how u felt and advice u would pass on?  the toughest time/like the first week/first day etc?  what u would do different if u had to do it all over again...?  

[dominosarah]

Thank you for explaining my questions.      sara

[worried878]

LOL....caps are hard on the eyes i guess...but it is good u take time at work to post...i cant because someone is always noising around when i am on the computer and others use my computer...detoxing and hoding down a job can be a challenge..a real big challenge..keep moving forward

[lovemypillhead]

PS: IM NOT "YELLING" WITH CAPS ON EVEN THO THAT IS ODD WHOMEVER DECIDED THAT IS WHAT IT MEANT.

IM AT WORK AND HAVE TO USE CAPS IN MY WORK SCREEN...IT IS TOO HARD TO TURN IT OFF THEN ON THEN OFF THEN ON......

I PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS TYPE WITH CAPS!

[lovemypillhead]

I AM IN NO WAY SAYING TO GET DRUGS OFF THE STREET   --  OR RATHER SUBOXONE....BUT, THEY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET SUB ANY OTHER WAY FOR SOME PEOPLE......

WHERE I LIVE, THE CHEAPEST I FOUND IT WAS $500 AND THE MOST EXPENSIVE WAS $1,500............NOT INLCUDING DRUG TEST AND THE PILLS...WHICH ARE EXPENSIVE..............NOW, IF U HAVE INSURANCE THEN NEVERMIND...ITS COOL.  BUT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE EITHER UNEMPLOYED OR INDEPENDENT SUBCONTRACTORS AND DO NOT HAVE HEALTH CARE.....

THE ARGUEMENT, OF COURSE, IS WELL--IF U HAVE THE MONEY FOR YOUR DOC LIKE OXYS THEN U *COULD* SAVE THAT MONEY AND USE IT FOR TREATMENT....AND IN A PERFECT WORLD WITH NO DITHDRAWL, THAT IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.....IN MY BOYFRIENDS CASE, IT IS SAD BECAUSE HE DOESNT WORK SO HE CAN STAY HOME AND TAKE CARE OF OUR BABY..........THEREFORE, NO INSURANCE.................HE WANTS OFF PILLS IN THE WORST WAY AND WOULD DO ANYTHING TO GET HELP.....BUT WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY.  NOT TO MENTION, WHEN WE DO AND HE IS IN WD, HE ISNT LIKE"  AWE, WELL YEAH THIS IS HORRIBLE AND ***** AND I CANT STOP THROWING UP AND IM HOT AND COLD NAD MY BODY HURTS AND I JUST WANNA DIE AND OH, MY CONTACT JUST CALLED ME WITH A BUNCH OF OXY'S  BUT U KNOW....IM GONNA HOLD OUT FOR SUB FOR ANOTHER 8 WEEKS SO WE CAN SAVE UP THE MONEY......"   IF HE HAD THAT TYPE OF WILLPOWER AND DISCIPLINE, I DO NOT THINK ADDICTION WOULD HAVE EVER COME ABOUT.

IN THE MEANTIME, THERE IS THE SUB ASSISTANCE PROGRAM....OK, COOL.  UM, NO.  BECAUSE THE DOC CAN ONLY HAVE A WHOPPING 2 PATIENTS PER YR ON IT...........OR 3 IF HE TREATS MORE THAN 60 PEOPLE............SO BEST CASE, 3 PEOPLE................SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO FIND A DOCTOR WHO HAS AN OPENING IN MY COUNTY AND CITY WHERE I LIVE.  PLEASE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AND WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG.

I AM NOT NOT NOT NOT SAYING THAT ALL DRUG ADDICTS ARE POOR WITH NO HEALTH INSURANCE............OF COURSE NOT.  SO NOBODY SEND ME A HATE MESSAGE TRYING TO PUT ME IN MY PLACE OR "REPORT" ME.......BUT, STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, MEN AND WOMEN, WHO ARE ADDICTED TO DRUGS DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.....AS MANY OF U KNOW, U LOOSE ALOT WITH AN ADDICITON---ONE OF THOSE THINGS BEING A JOB.......SO, AROUND HERE THERE ARE NO OPENINGS FOR SUCH HELP.

SO---MY BOYFRIEND HAS 3 OPTIONS................

***********WE COULD GET MARRIED SO HE HAS INSURANCE************

***********HE CAN BUY SUBOXONE OFF THE STREET TO TRY AND HELP HIM*******

**********HE CAN BUY SOME OXY'S UNTIL ONE OF THE ABOVE 2 OPTIONS BECOMES POSSIBLE****************

I KNOW THAT SOUNDS TERRIBLE BUT IT IS THE FACTS.

AND AGAIN THE SAD THING IS HE'D LOVE TO BE DRUG FREE. WOULD LOVE IT. MY BOYFRIEND WILL NEVER TAPER.  HE WILL NEVER DO COLD TURKEY.  HE HAS TRIED BOTH MANY TIMES WITH NO LUCK.

SO I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO CONTINUE THEIR ADDICTIVE WAYS.......SO THEY DONT GET SICK.

[liscamdave]

I also agree with kim and sara. You really should not endure a sub treatment without a dr.s supervision. And I don't think anyone was bashing anyone. As most of you said, there is no right/wrong way to get off opiates. If there were, we would all be following that protocol. Everyone is different and everyone's method to kick their habits is different. What worked for me may not work for you and vice versa. So tell someone what they should do is wrong. We can only speak from our own experiences. I don't think sub is pushed upon anyone. I think it is suggested as a possibility. I learned of sub about a year before I came here, and surprise surprise..I was getting it off the street. And when I first tried to stop, the w.d was fierce. And I had no clue why. It needs to be taken properly.  

[avisg]

I whole heartily agree with both Sarah and Kim.I don't have an issue with people using sub as a tool towards recovery. I wish sub doctor would make recovery care mandatory to continue on the sub .
Changing addictive behaviors are so important .

Kim I totally agree buy sub off the street is addictive behavior not only that then you are not getting any support when it comes to dosages and you don't have anyone to turn to if there is an issue.I really did not see anything on the thread that was bashing sub.