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19 free from Oxcodone, but.....
My anxiety is off the charts the last two days. Have been trying to taper down on the clonazapam. Only started using it 3 days into detox. Was taking 2....2-1/2. Tapered to 1-1/2 over the last week. Now down to I can't even leave the house. Went to the Dollar Store with my daughter to get some things for her and the my grandaughter. I couldn't hack it. Had to get out....I was almost yelling at her to get the DAMN STUFF so we could leave. Just wanted to get back here to my house. Is this post detox or from tapering the Klonapin...?
.I mean what the @#$%?! Days 7 thru 15 I was really feeling good. Now I'm a wreck. Smoking like a chimney....and REALLY wanting something to take the edge off. almost panic attack level. a drink would be nice but I quit that crap 2 years ago. No desire to go back. I swear it's good I got no access to opiates right now because I would use. Not even gonna lie. I might be an a$$hole but I'm an honest one.....SMH...Discouraged, and that's putting it kindly.
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.I mean what the @#$%?! Days 7 thru 15 I was really feeling good. Now I'm a wreck. Smoking like a chimney....and REALLY wanting something to take the edge off. almost panic attack level. a drink would be nice but I quit that crap 2 years ago. No desire to go back. I swear it's good I got no access to opiates right now because I would use. Not even gonna lie. I might be an a$$hole but I'm an honest one.....SMH...Discouraged, and that's putting it kindly.
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anxiety could be a combo of both.....i had it really bad for about a week or two starting day 23-24 clean....then it would lessen each day after that...i did breathing exercises.....slow breathing and would focus on one thing, like a picture or anything to get my mind of how i felt. Just remember....it's a "feeling" and feelings pass....hope you feel better soon!
Hi WOW GOOD JOB you and I seem to have the same clean days... I read your post alot. I am sure you read mine here and there. OH Yes clonazepam is a bad one to get off of. If you are tapering it should be a bit better. I went c/t I had no choice. Just PM someone here not to long ago who helped me understand what I was going threw had ALOT to do with the benzo not leaving out the methedone. I am clean 151or 152 I get lost.
and I will never go there. Heck I did not even think about a benzo withdraw just thought it was methedone WRONG...I still laugh when I see that picture. check out my moose and what he says. I did have to take the clonidine BP for 2 weeks only do to what you are saying. I only took it at night. I get this RelaxaMag from wellness resourses that seems to help with that and sleep. You have read alot about other things we all use....
God Bless You and keep on truckin forward and do not look back!!!!!
vickie
and I will never go there. Heck I did not even think about a benzo withdraw just thought it was methedone WRONG...I still laugh when I see that picture. check out my moose and what he says. I did have to take the clonidine BP for 2 weeks only do to what you are saying. I only took it at night. I get this RelaxaMag from wellness resourses that seems to help with that and sleep. You have read alot about other things we all use....
God Bless You and keep on truckin forward and do not look back!!!!!
vickie
PS IT WAS 15 I THOUGHT IT LOOK LIKE 151 days I am blinder then a bat any more and still bat wing crasy in a good way.
vickie
vickie
Thanks yeah I'm doing the pursed lip deep breathing right now. If you've read my early posts i have overbreathing so panic comes really quickly. My life has fallen apart since Nov and I'm not sure I can put it back together. Jesus I was a happy, fun loving, hard working guy with a great job one day....next day I am a mess. Woke up one mornng and Idk wth happed? So sick of it. Rope....end of!
I got the Clonadine for the CT.....does that help with anxiety? Maybe as I am lowering the Klonapin I should try taking a small amount of that. My BP has got to be like 190 over some @#$%!
Thanks for the tip. I still have quite a few of the clonadine left. We don't get snow here in this part of Wyoming much....maybe a foot a year. But we do get 30 below. We have a few moose up in the Bighorns. When I go camping I avoid them like the black death....
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The way you are feeling right now is only temporary so hang in there. I know it is miserable but it will get better.
Oh the anxiety is painfully hard to deal with. But you have got this. You are a wonderful person. You have helped me and so many others on here. I get grumpy w my kids bc the anxiety but I make a concious effort not to take this out in them bc its my fault. But I know what you mean abt trying to rush them bc the anxiety is crippling. Hang in there. I am 18 days clean. We got this old or young weak or strong we got this!!!!
Im so sorry Jimmy. I know how you feel. The anxiety can drive you absolutely batsh!t crazy. Feels like your heart is going to pound right out of your chest and roll across the floor! And your nerves feel like they are plugged into an electrical outlet! It seems to hit around this time and then eases up. Its all part of the process. For me, the more I think about it, the worse it seems to be. I know, easier said than done. Moving around and deep breathing helped me. This too shall pass. The clonodine will work to reduce it, so go ahead and try it. The clonodine would make me super tired though. The benzos do help as well, but I always found that if I keep taking them(during wd) I would get rebound anxiety and minor wd symptoms when stopping them. They are good to use on occassion, but taken daily like anything else, your body gets dependant on them. My dr told me not to take them daily.
Jim, this is a s***storm roller coaster isn't it? Day 27 for me, and ups and downs this week...a few really bad days followed by a great one yesterday. I hate it, never knowing what you'll wake up to, but you've done so great this far. Have been reading your posts, and you've helped all of us with your honesty...hang in there and know that tomorrow can be a better day....you are soooo worth having the feel-good days! I am rooting for you...you have a ton of support here...just vent to us when you need to!
Anxiety wise, you've got a bit of a double whammy going on. Both the detox off the opiates, and the weaning down off the Klonopin will cause an increase in anxiety. Like sarah said, this is only temporary, it WILL get better, it will just take some time. I think trying the Clonodine is a good idea, I think it would at least take the edge off a bit.
ANYTHING you can do to get your mind off the way you're feeling would be a huge help. The more we sit and think about how our anxiety feels, the worse the sensation is.
I know you said that your anxiety/panic comes in the form of the breathing difficulties (which is actually a very common symptom). While the breathing excercises are commonly recommended (ie the pursed lip breathing)...I'm a firm believer that those kinds of exercises can actually intensify the symptoms, because it makes you focus more on your breathing. I think the LESS you focus on it, the better. That's just my opinion, everyone is different, and certainly, if you feel that works for you, then that's good...just some food for thought. It wouldn't hurt to TRY to skip the exercises for a day and see if you notice any difference.
Just keep reassuring yourself that FEAR is NOT FACT. The FACT is, your breathing is okay, you are not in danger, or anything of the sort...it is your perception thanks to that bast**d anxiety. Fear can cause us to feel such intense physical sensations, to the point where we would think we're having a heart attack. Those are JUST sensations, as awful and as scary as they are, they will not harm you.
Best to you...sure hope you get to feeling better soon. Feel free to post on the anxiety forum as well, if you need some extra support. Sometimes, even just reading the threads, realizing how many people feel the same way, can be so reassuring and comforting.
ANYTHING you can do to get your mind off the way you're feeling would be a huge help. The more we sit and think about how our anxiety feels, the worse the sensation is.
I know you said that your anxiety/panic comes in the form of the breathing difficulties (which is actually a very common symptom). While the breathing excercises are commonly recommended (ie the pursed lip breathing)...I'm a firm believer that those kinds of exercises can actually intensify the symptoms, because it makes you focus more on your breathing. I think the LESS you focus on it, the better. That's just my opinion, everyone is different, and certainly, if you feel that works for you, then that's good...just some food for thought. It wouldn't hurt to TRY to skip the exercises for a day and see if you notice any difference.
Just keep reassuring yourself that FEAR is NOT FACT. The FACT is, your breathing is okay, you are not in danger, or anything of the sort...it is your perception thanks to that bast**d anxiety. Fear can cause us to feel such intense physical sensations, to the point where we would think we're having a heart attack. Those are JUST sensations, as awful and as scary as they are, they will not harm you.
Best to you...sure hope you get to feeling better soon. Feel free to post on the anxiety forum as well, if you need some extra support. Sometimes, even just reading the threads, realizing how many people feel the same way, can be so reassuring and comforting.
I hear you for sure! I'm only 5 days but my anxiety is pretty out of control. I'm not sure what to do about it, but am glad I am not using. I called my dr and let him know but havent heard back. keep posting, and let me know if you find anything that works!
YES nursegirl. WE do put our bodys threw alot of STRESS when we go threw our detox Don,t we??. I like what is said. I always remember all the years I used is only short time to get better. Someone once told me in the beginning take the pain, anxiety, ect ect. and remember it before you pick up that substance to use again. They say the second time around for w/d are even worse??? Everyone always told me too BREATH...
God be with us all!!!!
vickie
God be with us all!!!!
vickie
I wanted to post a clarification, so there's no confusion.
Jimi, I would never suggest you stop your pursed lip breathing all together...I'm not sure how frequently you do that, if it's only when the panic has climixed, or if you immediately employ that technique when you start feeling anxiety elevate.
My suggestion was more for the cases when you're starting to feel that anxiety getting worse. If you are doing to pursed lip breathing right away, my suggestion is to perhaps try some distraction instead for a while, versus jumping into that right away.
Understand that there are lots of different theories behind techniques for anxiety treatment. There is validity to all of them, and a lot of times it ends up being what works best for that person. I just know that indeed, something like controlled breathing causes a person to concentrate and focus on the breathing itself, which for some people, can exacerbate anxiety.
I know that many times on the anxiety forum, we've made similar suggestions (in similar circumstances)...and a lot of the people who tried some changes in their technique, relying a little less on the breathing techniques, noticed some improvements in their anxiety. The biggest report was that the anxiety didn't continue to worsen as much as it had been...and also, people reported that their breathing symptoms were less troublesome after a few weeks of making some adjustments to their coping mechanisms.
Anyway...just wanted to clarify. I didn't want anyone thinking I meant for Jimi to completely change what he's been doing! It was just a recommendation. :0)
Jimi, I would never suggest you stop your pursed lip breathing all together...I'm not sure how frequently you do that, if it's only when the panic has climixed, or if you immediately employ that technique when you start feeling anxiety elevate.
My suggestion was more for the cases when you're starting to feel that anxiety getting worse. If you are doing to pursed lip breathing right away, my suggestion is to perhaps try some distraction instead for a while, versus jumping into that right away.
Understand that there are lots of different theories behind techniques for anxiety treatment. There is validity to all of them, and a lot of times it ends up being what works best for that person. I just know that indeed, something like controlled breathing causes a person to concentrate and focus on the breathing itself, which for some people, can exacerbate anxiety.
I know that many times on the anxiety forum, we've made similar suggestions (in similar circumstances)...and a lot of the people who tried some changes in their technique, relying a little less on the breathing techniques, noticed some improvements in their anxiety. The biggest report was that the anxiety didn't continue to worsen as much as it had been...and also, people reported that their breathing symptoms were less troublesome after a few weeks of making some adjustments to their coping mechanisms.
Anyway...just wanted to clarify. I didn't want anyone thinking I meant for Jimi to completely change what he's been doing! It was just a recommendation. :0)
Thanks to all for the support and suggestions. I am going to try the Clondadine and taper off the Klonalin. I have only been using it daily for 2 1/2 weeks. Wish I would have never touched the crap.
nursegirl - I only use the breathing technique during panic episodes and to learn to breath properly. I need to retrain my breathing....to breathe thru my nose and use my diaphragm. Somewhere along the line I became a chest and mouth breather (I do have allergies) Let me explain my breathing problem. It's a cyclical thing and maladaptive behavior. Sleep resets my breathing so in the a.m. I am fine. I can get that deep sigh. But then I start thinking about it and I need another.....and another....and I'll continue this till suddenly I can't. Then I'll try to yawn...if that doesn't work I begin to feel breathless and panic, which of course exacerbates it. I try harder....my chest feel like there is a belt strapped around it.
It's like I am ADDICTED to that full, satisfying breath. I get one and I MUST have another! I sigh and yawn all day long. And it all stated one morning on the way to work when I couldn't yawn. Before that I was an avg stressed out, but otherwise normal, happy guy with a great family and an awesome job. I rarely even thought about my breathing. Now I'm a wreck. Trying to sell of stuff like my horse and my firebird (my prized possession btw) to keep paying the bills.
My greatest hope was that this was all related to the pain pills....and would disappear after I got clean. I was dead wrong. A good workout on the treadmill will make me feel better but it comes and goes. One moment it is effortless....the next it is impossible. So frustrating. I am almost at the end of that proverbial rope. I see no end and no way of fixing it. And I dwell on it almost every waking minute.. Does any of this make sense? Anyway, thanks as always for the help.
Getting a full breath....my new addiction....god I'm hopeless.
Jimi
nursegirl - I only use the breathing technique during panic episodes and to learn to breath properly. I need to retrain my breathing....to breathe thru my nose and use my diaphragm. Somewhere along the line I became a chest and mouth breather (I do have allergies) Let me explain my breathing problem. It's a cyclical thing and maladaptive behavior. Sleep resets my breathing so in the a.m. I am fine. I can get that deep sigh. But then I start thinking about it and I need another.....and another....and I'll continue this till suddenly I can't. Then I'll try to yawn...if that doesn't work I begin to feel breathless and panic, which of course exacerbates it. I try harder....my chest feel like there is a belt strapped around it.
It's like I am ADDICTED to that full, satisfying breath. I get one and I MUST have another! I sigh and yawn all day long. And it all stated one morning on the way to work when I couldn't yawn. Before that I was an avg stressed out, but otherwise normal, happy guy with a great family and an awesome job. I rarely even thought about my breathing. Now I'm a wreck. Trying to sell of stuff like my horse and my firebird (my prized possession btw) to keep paying the bills.
My greatest hope was that this was all related to the pain pills....and would disappear after I got clean. I was dead wrong. A good workout on the treadmill will make me feel better but it comes and goes. One moment it is effortless....the next it is impossible. So frustrating. I am almost at the end of that proverbial rope. I see no end and no way of fixing it. And I dwell on it almost every waking minute.. Does any of this make sense? Anyway, thanks as always for the help.
Getting a full breath....my new addiction....god I'm hopeless.
Jimi
I always like what nursegirl says sounds like we both are or was in the same profession. I started to sing out loud. I was able to be around my music friends and went camping and sang and sang. My anxitety came down from the moon ended up on the earth so I would not be in a house.This was in oct when I was heading into 40 days. I sooo feel for you what a drag....... I came home and gave this to the moose!!!Just kidding..
Hey thinks for the check I was not sure what all the stars and check were about until I got a couple of pm. I think it is funnie but cute.
God Bless you hand in.
PS I would talk to DR not sure if its a good idea to take the clonidine (bp) while you are still on the clonazepam (benzo) I only took it for those 2 weeks at night because it made me to dopey during the day.
vickie
Hey thinks for the check I was not sure what all the stars and check were about until I got a couple of pm. I think it is funnie but cute.
God Bless you hand in.
PS I would talk to DR not sure if its a good idea to take the clonidine (bp) while you are still on the clonazepam (benzo) I only took it for those 2 weeks at night because it made me to dopey during the day.
vickie
I'm familiar with HVS...I too have panic disorder, but luckily that's ONE thing I didn't get. I got some other, not so great things out of the deal though. Yippee!
I feel for you...it stinks! Have you ever tried CBT?
It's good that you're not using the breathing techniques until the panic really starts to get bad. That was what I was trying to say...that it's basically conditioning...and the more a person focuses on a symptom that is caused by anxiety, sometimes, the worse it gets. There are docs and therapists who are firm believers in the necessity of retraining the breathing, and others who think that's detrimental. Depends on the severity of the HVS too. You are FAR from alone...more than 50% of people with panic disorder experiences HVS to some degree. I'd say it's one of THE most commonly discussed symptom in the anxiety forum.
Tapering off the Klonopin is definitely going to exacerbate that for a while, but it will get better again. If you haven't, see if you can find a therapist who specializes in CBT. I apologize if I mentioned that before...are you the one who said you live real far from any kind of therapist?
If so...there are a few great sites that explain the CBT techniques. Let me know if you're interested. Hang in there!!!
I feel for you...it stinks! Have you ever tried CBT?
It's good that you're not using the breathing techniques until the panic really starts to get bad. That was what I was trying to say...that it's basically conditioning...and the more a person focuses on a symptom that is caused by anxiety, sometimes, the worse it gets. There are docs and therapists who are firm believers in the necessity of retraining the breathing, and others who think that's detrimental. Depends on the severity of the HVS too. You are FAR from alone...more than 50% of people with panic disorder experiences HVS to some degree. I'd say it's one of THE most commonly discussed symptom in the anxiety forum.
Tapering off the Klonopin is definitely going to exacerbate that for a while, but it will get better again. If you haven't, see if you can find a therapist who specializes in CBT. I apologize if I mentioned that before...are you the one who said you live real far from any kind of therapist?
If so...there are a few great sites that explain the CBT techniques. Let me know if you're interested. Hang in there!!!
Yeah I'm not sure what that combo would do. But if I sleep...good enough for me.
thanks and god bless you also!
thanks and god bless you also!
Anxiaty *****. IMO I would stay away from any kind of benzo. They hide your anxiaty, and as soon as you get off them your anxiaty is still there. Also there is the mental stuff they do to you when your on or off them. Try other techniques like working out or walking. I drink a few beers and that helps some at night. But that could be a slippery slope for some also.
Yes I would be very interested. More than one person has mentioned to me. I have an appt next week for counseling (did I mention that? memory is shot lately) and I have no idea if they practice it here in Bighorn County. I tried to look some stuff up on it on youtube....but it always ended w/ a sales pitch. Like Butyeko. And that sounds like quackery to me..but what do I know.
But yeah if you have any info that could help out I would appreciate it greatly.
They are firing up the haul trucks in a few week at work and that's when my boss has a spot for me. was hoping he would let me go PT for awhile but the head office wasn't keen. So it's swim.....or sink, when the time comes.
Btw....I run/jog/walk about a mile and 1/2....4-5 times a week. (I would walk out of doors but 10 below is a bit nippy for that) So in your opinion, is this good for my condition? Or just gettin me out of breathe and making it worse. It seems to work out some of the stress. At first I am outta breath but after a hot bath I usually breath better. Any opinion on this?
Thanks so much!
But yeah if you have any info that could help out I would appreciate it greatly.
They are firing up the haul trucks in a few week at work and that's when my boss has a spot for me. was hoping he would let me go PT for awhile but the head office wasn't keen. So it's swim.....or sink, when the time comes.
Btw....I run/jog/walk about a mile and 1/2....4-5 times a week. (I would walk out of doors but 10 below is a bit nippy for that) So in your opinion, is this good for my condition? Or just gettin me out of breathe and making it worse. It seems to work out some of the stress. At first I am outta breath but after a hot bath I usually breath better. Any opinion on this?
Thanks so much!
Man running is good for everything. It keeps you active and wil help with anxiaty. It also keeps your energy high. That's awesome you are able to run only 19 days in. Having goals, such as weight loss and being healthy, is going to keep you sober too. Keep it up. No one said this was easy. It's just a little bump in the road to success in life.
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people get that confused out here.It is non-addictive does not get to the pleasure brain or mess with the chem/transmitter I call them. OH yes I live 50 miles from the canada border and I have LOTS of MOOSE in my yard every winter. They are so differnt looking. I have had alot of experience getting out of there way or when driving down my dirt road you have to wait until they move. If you beep they will charge. We have lots of other animals dear, elk, bear, ect it is Gods land up here if you can survie the snow. One yr we had 6-7 feet The satalite was under the snow. I might put a picture in my profile. Anyway keep posting you will get over it all as you know.
God Bless
vickie