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1216523 tn?1285110208

you guys never lie to me - tell me about steroids, trazadone, and a square white pill with b p on one side and 10 on the other

Hi guys,
Long time. We are in Trouble!  I told you all a while ago about my hub on the oxycontins last summer (and long before I'm sure). Well, I feel that we are worse off now. He doesn't take those - I dont' think - believe me, I don't kid myself about it. But now, here is what I am seeing:
1.  taking trazadone (over doing it - doc gave him them - he is taking 3 times what the doc said.
2.  shooting steroids into his ???? leg, arm, wherever he can manage
3.  the WORST behavior I have ever seen from him (chasing a cat around with a toy gun - shooting it - with a freakin child's TOY GUN.
4.  Fooling around with the boys - shooting them - again - with the stupid TOY GUN - it actually hurt one of the kids - he got a welt on his belly.  OMG! I was off my rocker. Of course I told him about it b/c I do freak when it comes to hurting the kids, and he said, "shut up before I do it to you".  WHO IS THIS MAN???
5.  I found a pill - small white, square, has b p on one side and 10 on the other.
6.  Taking Clonazepam (again, doc gave 1 mg tabs to take one at night - 5 days ago -there are 5 left)
7. Being mean to the kids - mouth mean -
8.  Talking really bad to me (I had to leave him with the kids, in the grocery store b/c I couldn 't let him treat me verbally abusive like that in front of the boys - or ever) My mom had to pick us up - and, (and this kills me) I had to lie as to why.  (I know - I didn't HAVE to lie - I chose to)

I have no idea what is going on again - he is going to the gym 2x a day - at 5 a.m. and at 3.  He is going to work again (didn't even do that for a few weeks) and now his sleeping thing is about 6 p.m. - 1 or 2 a.m - then, he is up - all lights on - tv's on - radios on - and yes, we are all trying to sleep.
He has become the most selfish, nasty, scary person I have ever known and I have known my husband for most of my adult life.

I am going to have to leave the house and take the kids to my mothers. Heck - how do I even handle that???

PLEASE HELP - what do I do?  What is that pill? I tried to look it up and can't find it specifically. It is really tiny - square. I gather they are related to steroids.

Thank you. I hope you all are well. Please tell me how you are doing.

Kat
P.S. Oh, and I didn't tell you that he is still taking all kinds of stuff that the doc also gave him - like his blood pressure stuff, acid reflux stuff, ?????? can't even think anymore. How can this same doctor keep giving him all this crap?  My husband has that guy so snowed that he is going for a sleep disorder clinic Sat night!!  OMG!
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1331115 tn?1536362140
I just read your posts and I am seriously afraid for you. You stated that he was abusing  oxys but stopped. Are you sure he stopped the oxys? Given the fact he is also abusing roids the oxys will only exastubate the rage from roids. I know when I was on oxys I would be very irratable and nasty, albeit not to the exent your husband is. Then again I wasn't mixing them with steriods. This sounds like a very dangerous situation for you and your kids. You should take jaybays advise and make "A bugout plan". Once you are gone tell him if he doesn't get help you are gone forever. I will pray that God guides you to safety and to help your husband realize what he is doing. In addition, on the weapon application it asks if you have ever taken ANY illegal drugs including steriods and if you have you are denied, they also asks for references to verify his character. If you find out who he has used for a reference let them know and they can let the police know he has and he will be denied---Peace & Love---quitin
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1310633 tn?1430224091
Listen to Jaybay... she knows what she's talking about.

I'm going to have to bandwagon and say what everyone else is saying... a) bugout-plan, b) roid-rage, c) addictive-behavior, d) out to destroy his life & whoever is around him.

I know you love him, or you wouldn't be on here, but unfortunately, when it comes to addicts, your love simply isn't enough sometimes. You're going to have to "Shock & Awe" him, and to do that, you are going to have to bail and not have contact with him until he makes some changes/steps in the right direction.

Keep posting my friend. My thoughts are with you and your children.

LMNO
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82861 tn?1333453911
Even if you don't enact it now, you need to make a Bugout Plan.

1.  Stash as much cash as you can and have it somewhere immediately accessible, preferably divided in more than one location.  You'll need more than you think, so get plenty.

2.  Keep an emergency bag packed.  Just one change of clothes & minimal personal items for you and the kids.

3.  If you can get the cat out - great.

4.  Have a supply of food and water already located somewhere in your Bugout Vehicle.  IF you have to leave town, you don't want to be stuck without water and nowhere to stop.  Stash some money in that bag as well.

5.  If you have a laptop computer, make sure all of your joint financial information is on it.  If the time comes, grab it, the kids and the personal bag and bug out.

Look at this as you would an evacuation from any natural disaster like a hurricane.  You have to protect your Health and your Wealth.  That means a little pre-planning.  You pray against the day you ever need to put that plan into action, but at least the tools you need are there if the time comes.
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1047946 tn?1332608029
Androgel is a gel you apply topically for men who suffer from low testosterone levels. I was prescribed this once right after I stopped taking my pain meds due to my level being a bit low. Luckily for me after about a week my levels went back to normal so it was just do to withdrawals.
If he is shooting steroids his testosterone level is already through through the roof. I've read your posts off and on since you have been posting. His behavior has went from bad to just complete insanity! He is still living his life like he wants to live it because he feels he still has everything he wants. He has his wife, his kiddos, his house, etc. There has to be some sort of disruption in his life in order for him to realize he has a problem and it's affecting the people around him. It may not seem like it but you are enabling in a way because nothing has changed for him to want to get help. I'm not saying it's your fault at all because it's not. Something just has to be done and done fast. I know you said it would be almost impossible to get him to leave so it looks like you have to be the one to go. You also said you don't think your older boys will leave. They are old enough to understand the situation. Explain to them that you are not running off for good. You are just trying to make their dad realize he has a problem. Tell them it would be just a short term solution for a long term fix. Being that they are in their low 20's you could probably even get them on here to read some of the posts so they can get a better grip on the situation. They are adults and I'm sure responsible and want their old dad back.
You said your parents live less than a mile away. That may be a problem but if you have to get a restraining order, get one. If you explain to a judge what has been going on I can't see why he wouldn't issue one. Him shooting the kids with a toy gun may not seem like much but what's next? You did say it left a mark though so he knew he was hurting them. It may be worth checking into having a judge getting him committed. I'm not sure the steps that need to be taken but maybe someone else here can help in that area. I know I've read before that if someone may harm themself or someone else they can be committed. Something need to be done fast because eventually some if not all of these symptoms may not be reversible. The sooner he gets help the better.
As for calling his doctor, it may be worth a shot. With the hippa laws in place you may not be able to get much out of it. At the very least you will be able to make his doctor aware of the situation.
If I were you I would call your parents and talk to them about possibly staying with them for awhile. Start getting some bags packed so you can have them ready to go. Once you get a chance, head to your parents. There's probably a good chance he will show up at your parents house pounding on the door. Make sure the doors are locked. If he does show up and starts going ballistic, call the cops. That would be an easy way to get a restraining order. After that talk to him on the phone and tell him you want him off all substances before you and your kiddos will come back home. Tell him you will do all you can to help him get the help he needs but until he does get the help you will not be moving back home.
You have to stick to your guns here. Be strong and don't give in no matter how much he begs at first. He will try and guilt you into coming home saying he will stop them all asap. Don't be so quick to move back. He will say what you want to hear. Saying and doing are completely different. Tell him you have to see results first.
I know you have been going through so much but hang in there. You and your family can't continue to live life like nothing is going on. It's time to make something happen. Until his daily routine changes nothing else will.
Best of luck to you.

Brian
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617347 tn?1331293081
wow, Kate, i am so sorry.. he seems he is on a mission to destroy his life and everything he cared for..

I exchanged some posts with him when he wrote here and i am so sorry that things have gone this way.

the pink pills could be ecstacy plus all the testosterone stuff  ( pregnyl, omifin ) bad future if he doesn't ask for help and stop messing around .
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Kat~  Pregnyl is a drug used to stimulate ovulation in women.  

Really,who cares what it is exactly. The problem is he's taking it and you see the side effects of that!!

Call your family doctor,his family,your family,and reach out for help with him.  This is serious stuff!

Keep in touch~
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1216523 tn?1285110208
Hi everyone,

I found a few new things hidden this a.m. One - looks like an injectable - Pregnyl (he wrote three letters on tape on it - like HC something. Then, pills that say Omifen, and some little tiny pink stars that don't seem to have anything on them.  What is that stuff? More of the same?

Thanks,
Kat

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1216523 tn?1285110208
Hi everyone,
Just got up. My husband just left to go to the gym so I feel a little calmer this morning.  Thanks for all the info. So, even if he stops this craziness at some point, he is still going to have big problems for a while - that sounds volatile. Too much for my boys. My older boys are so turned off by him right now as he has been really on their backs for nothing. Of course I intervene and then he is on me and the boys feel bad (and basically try to protect me....it goes on and on). My hub is a little better with the younger ones - not much - but, he can see how young they are - 2 in elementary school and we have a baby (3).  
Ok, I am going to look up some stuff. Should I call his doctor - who - by the way - gives him some ridiculous cream - Androgel???? So- he rubs this crap on himself everyday in addition to all the injectables and pills. Man, he has that doctor snowed! I figure he might not talk to me b/c of confidentiality and all but - I suppose I could tell him what is going on. Oh man - my husband will freak if I do that. His biggest THING - so to speak - in relationships is loyalty - however, I think he is being disloyal to me right now - with all this crap - so - it is def the deal breaker - as someone said earlier.

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Kat~  I just read your post. You've got a huge problem on your hands.

Do this: look up effects of steroid abuse.  High amounts of steroids affect the thyroid gland. This in turn causes a chain of reactions,both physically and mentally leading to a condition called Myxedema Madness.   He sure sounds like a candidate...

Do some research and get yourself and the children safe.  If this is the case,there is no amount of reasoning with him.  It would be best if he got to an ER where they can do some simple tests to diagnose him.

Trust me, if he does ONE more thing to make you or the children feel threatened,you need to call 911.  It's sounding like he's a time bomb and you're right to be concerned.

Keep posting~
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Steroids are basically just injecting testosterone. Testosterone is made naturally in men, its what makes males aggressive and basically all the "man" traits you can think of. Since he's injecting more than what his body needs. His aggressive nature is "amped" up significantly.

The problem with it is: when injecting testosterone your body don't make it on it's own anymore. It doesn't have to. So when you stop, your muscle and strength is dramatically reduced, and fast. All this results in severe depression once stopping.

But yea all that testosterone is making him extremely aggressive.
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I am also in MA. I don't believe that he would have any real knowledge of how he is acting or treating you. I do not believe that its your true husband treating you this way but is the drugs doing crazy things in his brain. Has he ever talked to you about getting a gun? Well as a resident and gun owner in MA I can tell you that there is a waiting period of I believe 7 or 10 days to get your permit. Also they will do a heavy background check on him and if he has anything on his record he will be denied. Major traffic violations, assault or battery, and a few others are automatic dq for getting a permit. I strongly urge you to get the kids out of the house so either way they do not have to see their father in such a bad state. I will prayer for you and I hope that you are able to get him straight agian so you can have your family back. If you need anything please tell us.
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1216523 tn?1285110208
Hi - thanks. Please keep talking to me. I need it. Hub is sleeping. I think I am going to put the kids to bed and call my inlaws. They are actually travelling in CA. (I am in MA - someone asked - Lucky2Bealive - I think) so, heck, they probably are not going to be much help. But, they are back Thursday. I wonder if I should wait or ????  get out of here for a bit and talk to them then. I coiuld go to a hotel - get cash to pay I guess or he will come find me. He will also come to work, school.  ugghhhhh
Actually, maybe all this is just me finding problems with every thought I have. I just want the guy to get clean. That's all. But, I know, he doesn't want to. Or maybe that isn't the right thing to say - he may want to but can't right now/????  too much talk I know. I need to keep my boys safe.  For all of you who know me/us - we have older boys too - 24 and 20 - they won't want to leave. Can't control them I guess. But, I will get the other boys out of here. Maybe if we are gone - he will see things for being as serious as they are.
Shi-???!!  How did this happen????  

Ok, going to put the kids to bed. Actually, they should be in bed already - but, I hear some craziness upstairs so I'm thinking video games.  
Please - keep telling me stuff. It helps me keep my head on straight.
I mean, I cannot believe the crap I have allowed to happen in my house in the past 4 months!  I am horrified with myself but I know - that doesn't matter. I have to keep me and them safe. I will.

Be back in an hour or so.

Thank you - thank you - thank you.

One more thing - do people who take/abuse steroids not realize that they are acting way out of control?  I mean, I know, don't we all know when we are overreacting about something or other?

Just my thought -
Kat
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What I think you need to do is tell him to straighten up his act or your out of there. I'm young and was never married so I can't give the best of advice. But being a guy, I know that we tend to keep doing things if we know we can get away with it lol. You just can't let him get away with it anymore.
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Ok I just read further into your post about him getting a gun license. Contact the police asap and make sure they do not clear that application. Tell them to say he will need a drug test in order to get the license or something. That is really scary though and you need to take action and do it NOW. All of these are very bad signs and I am worried for you and the kids. If the application is on his desk he plans to take it soon so please do something. What state do you live in? And those white pills are nothing like speed. A steroid is a totally different type of drug that can cause extream rage in a person. I had many friends that used injectable steroids during college and were complete psychos. Please do something. -john
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Its not the white pills doing the talking its the injections (test, ethenate, sus, ??) what ever he is injection , i would say its not a rage its more of a mid life thing all though im younger i know alot about men and I know i get down in life do roids and then do weird things like wanna hang out with friends and go to bars (which aint me married 3 kids) it comes to a end only last a few weeks maybe a month but
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"Unfortunately, these are steroids. They are Stanozol 10 mg tabs. They are known as Winstrol. They are produced by Balco Pharm. This is the company that was involved in all of the Major League Baseball scandals. A warning to you is that pill forms of steriods are toxic to the liver. If he is taking more than 5-7 of these pills each day, he will do damage to his liver." found this online Good Luck
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1216523 tn?1285110208
Hi, thanks, Yah - you're right. I am scared all the time the past 2 weeks or so.  Scared of how to talk and scared of his reactions with me and the boys. He's not going to let me go or take the kids. I'm going to have to really really really do something - like cops and all that. Maybe I can talk to my in-laws to get him to get out of the house for a bit. I did ask him to leave - go stay at a hotel for a bit - something like that, he said, "no, you go".  He is so irrational - I don't know him. And, you're right. I saw an application for a gun licence on his bureau. ?????????????????? It's still on his bureau. I have a good mind to call the Chief of Police and tell him not to approve any applications he may recieve for all the above reasons. I feel it is a betrayal but, man, he is out of control right now.
Thanks. I needed a kick. Will think about what to do tonight and make a plan that I can stick to. I CAN get my kids out of here - that is easy. They likestaying with my parents - who are literally less than a mile away. (Ohhhhh - maybe that wouldn't be good either.?????????????  Heck - I've been married for so long - I don't know what to do. I will though. He is not going to hurt these children ever again.
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82861 tn?1333453911
Kat, I remember your other thread very well.  You are NOT going crazy.  Your husband is deep into roid rage and you know what you have to do.  Your husband has become a dangerous stranger.  You need to get yourself, your kids, and even your cat out of that house.  How much longer do you think it will be before that toy gun turns into a real weapon?  His actions have consequences.  Whether he (or you) knows it or not, the family unit is broken because of his oxy and steroid abuse.  This is not the man you married.  He has brought real evil into your marriage and home, and in my book that's a deal breaker.  Your first priority is to protect yourself and your children.  How much farther does he have to go before you get out?
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1216523 tn?1285110208
Hi, Hey, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I feel like I am pulling my hair out and walking on egg shells now.  I can't say anything to him anymore b/c of his outrageous reactions now. I mean, I can 't even ask him about ANYTHING without him freaking out and turning it on me. Like I asked him what was going on with him b/c right after he told me about the OC's last summer we did ok for a bit and he said that he would always tell me what's up and I wouldn't be judgemental. I thought that was going ok. I guess I was wrong - again. So, now if I ask him something he'll say, "what about you? You didn't feed the kids til 6 and they are supposed to eat at 5" or, "you didn't go get another gallon of milk...."  it just goes on and on. I cannot talk to this man.

Please tell me I am not nuts. His entire demeanor is just out of control. I don't know him and I am kind of scared of him.
Last Friday, he went to pick up the boys, about 20 minutes away. When he got home, he looked like he saw a ghost. I said, "what's up?" he said, "Kat, I just fell asleep going 75 mph on the highway with the boys. I went over the side thing (the things that make your tires make the noise - I dont' know what they are called) and started to go down the embankment - I was scared shi-"  I tried to stay calm - although I wanted to go ballistic. I said, "what did the boys say?"  He said, "they all had fallen asleep so they didn't even know.

No, he isn't lifting again, he never actually stopped. About 2 weeks ago, he didn't go for one week (in about 10 years) b/c???? just didn't seem into it. It's just?????? none of this makes sense to me. It seems to me that his every waking hour is on finding some type of substance not on his business which it used to be on".  He has a huge problem - let me change that to WE have a huge problem. Is that term "roid rage" real? He says I am nuts - but, I've been reading about it and, people, like yourself, who have used steroids, say that they def had changes in mood and attitude and the whole 9.  True?

He is turning 40 this year - maybe starting to feel old?  He is in very good shape - getting a bit of a gut - which I know he hates - so I am not surprised by those white pills. How do they work? Like a caffeine? speed? (do they even call it that anymore?)

Thanks,
Kat

I look forward to whatever you (and anyone else) can tell me.
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HI kat THE white pill in winstrol or winny v . Its a weak half life steriod injection orally . Mainly for weight lose. I am a ex steriod user if u have questions just ask . Is he just starting to lift -again???
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