Is it okay for me to induct suboxone now to avoid precipitated withdrawl?

[rozay23]

I have been doing about 25-35 bags of garbage H per day for about 2 weeks.Yesterday {14 hrs. after my last dose of H} about 11am I took 2mg of suboxone and about 15min. later I went into severe precipitated withdrawal. then I did about 10 bags and started to feel okay. I wanted to keep putting the sub into my system so a few hours later I took about 1.5mg of suboxone and went into it again around 3pm. than did more H. then around 11pm I did another 2 mg again with the same pre. w/d then did H once again to sleep.  Now today I wanted to not have a day like yesterday but did not want to over do it I did 5 bags at 7am, 4 bags around 11am, 1 bag at 2pm and 2 bags around 5pm. now what I am wondering is it safe to induct myself tomorrow morning once again?   I have done this in the past where I went into these withdrawals then did H to calm me down then the next day I was fine but I was doing better stuff but less bags usually. I am just scared , I have a baby boy that I love more than anything else and want to be a great father not only that I am going on family vacation tomorrow around 10 am. any suggestions?

[atthebeach]

Hi.  It would be good to hear back from you.  We care.

[weaver71]

When your skin looks and feels like a plucked turkey and the hair on your arms are standing on end, you pupils are really dialated, the sweats and shakes are taking over, when your nose is running and can't see very clearly, that is when you dose with subs. Read the COWS scale and follow it. Go to meetings and cut your sources. Open up to the family, give this all you have or it will take it anyway. I could have gone on family vacation a few hours after my sub induction. You can do this, but you will die if you don't get it right soon. That much H and subs together is lethal. Subs are much stronger than heroine, so you can't feel the OD coming. Seriously get help. Your sub doctor sounds like our local doctor. Wait as long as you can, withdrawals won't kill an otherwise healthy person. Once the subs work, you'll have time to form a strong recovery plan. Focus on the light at the end of the tunnel, post your symptoms before you induce. Let the wonderful people here help you. You can do this.

[atthebeach]

that's great. you were clean for 3 years. you can do it again.
you know you need to have that support system in place.
stay away from the people, places and things.
it is good that you don't have any h left.
what is the scribe that you have for subs?
did you attend meetings before, go to counseling, church? what did you do on a daily basis?
how are you feeling now?

[VICourageous]

Well if it was me I would say No. I did it for 12 years and it was the hardest detox I have ever experienced. I know some went from Methadone to Subs. I heard a lot of girls tell me that the detox from the H was more natural and a lot less intense. But I have no experience in the H area. Used it a few times way back when. Personally from what I have learned you would be better just going to the Subs if you can not stay clean right away. Hang tight they will flow in with there experiences too.I wish you the best that is for sure.

[vicki595]

It's a different drug but has the same problem of having to get off of THAT in the future.

Look...here you are...we'll support you as much as possible, you've got the Sub, and you only have to wait. No. It's not easy but it's worth it.

Did you check the COWS Scale?    You can do this...

[rozay23]

would I be better off trying methadone???

[rozay23]

I was cleanfor 3yrs be4 relapsing. now its been a back and forth thing now since October because I wasn't seeking a good support system like I am now.

[rozay23]

No,there is nothing left. that makes me even more nervous. the 1st time I did this and went into p/w/d/ I took a xanex w/ it and knocked myself out.The nrxt day I felt perfect. I just dnt get how it could change

[VICourageous]

Hi! I just wanted to let you know we do have some XH user on here too. But I wanted to tell you what I experience. I got my Methadone down to 30mgs and jump the boat with the Add that I snorted it with and a benzo to come down. Anyway by my 4th day I tried the Subs. I did it my own way and it was totally wrong. I did this for 4 days and what a joke.I DID NOT follow the Dr orders.I wanted to be off of Everything like Now!  It was bad enough with the 3 but now it made 4. No fun at all! I have learned a lot about the Subs on here and how it has helped many. So did your Dr put you on a maintenance program.Does he specialize in Subs?? Do you plan on going to any meetings? Support is a must if we want to stay clean.I sure wish you the best and Please stop mixing this you can be playing with fire. Methadone, Subs and Trams are very synthetic and they like to hang on for a long time. I sure wish you the Best!!
Bless

[atthebeach]

We understand you are scared, scared of your addiction and scared of living without your h. It is a 2 edged sword.
How long have you been able to stay clean for when you stopped?
Recovery is a marathon not a sprint, you have to work on your recovery on a daily basis.
How much of a script did the doctor write for you? He didn't give you any instructions before you induce?
We are glad you found us stay close. Many have walked before you and are living a life without drugs. It is very possible to do.
There is always hope....
You got to believe..
Debbie

[1sorryperson]

Wait till he!! breaks lose before you start the subs, then you will feel better.  
Do you still have H?
You must get rid of the supply and plan aftercare for as soon as the wd's let you get out.   You will need to spend real time addressing this disease.

[vicki595]

You have to wait... as you've found out.  You can do it and it needs to be at least 24 hours...you really CAN do it!  

[rozay23]

and yes I am wanting to stay clean for good and never look back.F heroin

[rozay23]

im just so scared. ive done this plenty of times with success just my habit got out of control. im so sad honestly. I am so happy that there are people like yous out there that are encouraging. I am getting from a doc. but he got paid wrote the script and sent me on my way. I hear stories all the time that people do it this way. I use to be able to wait max 8 hrs the dose but now its a whole nother ball game

[atthebeach]

hello and welcome. are you trying to get and stay clean?
the way you are going about it is very dangerous.
if you keep going at this rate you are going to overdose.
you can be free from the chains and bondage of addiction.
we can encourage you and support you in how to get and stay clean.

[nursegirl6572]

You're flirting with death here.  Sincerely.

Are you getting the sub from a clinic/doctor?  If not, getting sub off the street and attempting to do this yourself is only reinforcing addict behavior, not to mention, you don't have the supervision and guidance of a doctor.  

The TIME factor is not as important as the intensity of w/ds.  You must be in at least moderate w/ds to be safe to start sub induction.  That will totally depend on the person and the drug(s) they're using.  For some it may be 12 hours, for others it may be 48 or more, totally depends.  

You're going about this all wrong, continuing to dose yourself on sub is not going to help you, nor is then using huge amounts of heroin to undo the precipitated w/ds.

PLEASE seek out the help of a qualified professional sub clinic who can offer you a recovery program that will be supervised, and offer you counselling, and plans for aftercare.

You will not be able to accomplish getting stabilized on sub by tomorrow at 10am, so I'm not real sure what to tell you for your vacation.  Personally, I would say recovery and your life is more important.  If you agree, then skip the vacation and get yourself some help, urgently.

[1sorryperson]

Ric is right, wait at least 24 hours or more till full withdrawals.  Use the COWS scale.    Doesn't look like a good time for the vacation wether you are doing H or starting subs, a few days into subs would be much better.  There's many members here who have used subs, chat with them.  I was not willing to wait so didn't go sub route, but i was on pills, From your usage i think subs will be the best way, be patient and do talk with some here that have.  how did you aquire the subs?  If from a dr, you should be informed,  otherwise, please please communicate here with experienced sub users.

[vicki595]

What specifically are you trying to do here?

[ricart70]

you should wait at least 24 hours and look up the cows scale for opiate withdrawal.  Best wishes