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who should we tell about our addiction, and who are we accountable to.
i saw this question below, asking do we or should we tell
our husbands and wives about our useing.
should we tell our children, and freinds.
i myself have told my wife everything then agian she is a recoverind addict for 18 years and has a better understanding then most wives.
my children know i am a recovering addict, but i do not go into detail with them.
It has been my experence that we need to be accountable to someone.accountabilty is a big issue, involving honesty.
most of us have lived this secret life hideing pills spending ungodly amounts of money and sometimes even to the point
of destroying our money situation.
being honest is very important but i think we have to have caution in this area, there are lot of people who think
once and addict always an addict.
one thing i found , once we have found someone we can trust we need to let them know when we relapse.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
our husbands and wives about our useing.
should we tell our children, and freinds.
i myself have told my wife everything then agian she is a recoverind addict for 18 years and has a better understanding then most wives.
my children know i am a recovering addict, but i do not go into detail with them.
It has been my experence that we need to be accountable to someone.accountabilty is a big issue, involving honesty.
most of us have lived this secret life hideing pills spending ungodly amounts of money and sometimes even to the point
of destroying our money situation.
being honest is very important but i think we have to have caution in this area, there are lot of people who think
once and addict always an addict.
one thing i found , once we have found someone we can trust we need to let them know when we relapse.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that if you have someone you really trust, that you need a partner during the worst of it. And you have to be totally honest. Don't hold back any pills, and tell all sources, so that they can cut off all future access of pills to you. We are telling my main physician that I no longer need pain pills, and I'm telling my surgeon that my knee is feeling a lot better, so I don't need anymore opiates. Maybe vioxx, or at the most Ultram. But, in any case, i feel that part of the addiction is the numbing of feelings to those closest to you, and when you let them in on what's been going on, they'll understand and want the real you back. Good luck to you!
From what I've heard, Ultram can be very dangerous - especially to opiate addicts....so be careful ok?
Thank you - I just found that out by reading further down this forum. I will get some benadryl and valerian and advil. Today!
Ultram IS very addictive. When I was in Detox, there was a women having severe withdrawals when she was told that Ultram was NON-ADDICTIVE..so, try not to resort to that. My Doc put me on Vioxx and it works..doesn't give you a high and cannot be used for more than 5 days at a time. I don't know why you can't take it for more than 5 days at a time..I just know that is what the DOc said and the information leaflet said..also the Pharmacist told me the same.
Can anyone tell me where or how chezz is doing? Bmac, and all the others who helped me, i just want to say thanks. It is now day 39 for me. Fortunately i was able to get over a large addiction to oxy, perc, soma, hydro. It was all in part due to the support i received here from all of you. Forever i will remember those who helped. You know who you are. I only wish we could of all met face to face.
THANKS TO ALL
Jeff
THANKS TO ALL
Jeff
Hi Tara;
Would you mind posting your email addy again? I know it was souldancers or something. I have some things I would like to ask you.
Thank you!
Leah
Would you mind posting your email addy again? I know it was souldancers or something. I have some things I would like to ask you.
Thank you!
Leah
I am in contact with him, but have not talked for a few days. He is doing well. Waiting on surgery to try alternatives first. He's very hopeful. Take care!
Suzie
Suzie
Thanks, if you could let him know that i am looking for him that would be great.
Jeff
Jeff
Hippie
Loose lips sink ships
(FDR)
Mariposa...Eres espanol?
Ultram gets a bad rap from addicts and I agree that the addict should avoid using them if possible. The fact remain that repeated follow up studies indicate that ultram has a very low addiction profile. More than 97% of those reporting addiction to ultram are former addicts. I think when taken as directed this is a very safe medication. The last thing we need is another drug schedualed by the FDA. Doctors not politicans should decide who gets what drug.
Peace
Loose lips sink ships
(FDR)
Mariposa...Eres espanol?
Ultram gets a bad rap from addicts and I agree that the addict should avoid using them if possible. The fact remain that repeated follow up studies indicate that ultram has a very low addiction profile. More than 97% of those reporting addiction to ultram are former addicts. I think when taken as directed this is a very safe medication. The last thing we need is another drug schedualed by the FDA. Doctors not politicans should decide who gets what drug.
Peace
Addiction to Sex or Masturbation Can Make You A LOSER!
Come on... Masturbate once a week or even once a day should not harm you in anyway. There are people out there that masturbate excessively such as three to five times a day. They don't know that kind of frequency would harm. So after couple years later. Their penis got limp. And they have to seek help from experts from HerboLove.com website. It's so pathetic. If one can just control the urge or be inform about the consequences of "EXCESSIVE" masturbations can do to them.
I have stupid friends that got so horny that they masterbate daily. Before they reach 30, they have impotence and premature ejaculation altogether. Their girlfriends left them because they are Losers on BED.
Men! Just don't over-masturbate!
God Bless you!
Come on... Masturbate once a week or even once a day should not harm you in anyway. There are people out there that masturbate excessively such as three to five times a day. They don't know that kind of frequency would harm. So after couple years later. Their penis got limp. And they have to seek help from experts from HerboLove.com website. It's so pathetic. If one can just control the urge or be inform about the consequences of "EXCESSIVE" masturbations can do to them.
I have stupid friends that got so horny that they masterbate daily. Before they reach 30, they have impotence and premature ejaculation altogether. Their girlfriends left them because they are Losers on BED.
Men! Just don't over-masturbate!
God Bless you!
That's a funny topic??? I would rather masterbate than take drugs! My best friend ( a guy) who is 6ft4 and absolutely georgeous has a hard time in bed cause he masterbates all the time..he's in love with his hand..he says women have to REALLY work it to get him to ejacualation. My best friend dated him for a year and said he only ejacualted ONCE..I thought it was her????
jasone could i ask where that post cane from.
the problem is not the act but what you think about,
like thinksing about someone famley member or something in that vain, . i must say i find the whole post quiet imature.
so could you let me know how it fits into this fourm and it point.
the problem is not the act but what you think about,
like thinksing about someone famley member or something in that vain, . i must say i find the whole post quiet imature.
so could you let me know how it fits into this fourm and it point.
I've been lurking for about a month. I am an opiate addict, try to mind my own business...but the comment about "excessive" masturbation leading to impotence forces me to post.
I don't know about your friends Jason but the idea that masturbation leads to impotence is extremely hard (no pun intended) for me to believe. I suspect that someone is pulling your leg.
I don't know about your friends Jason but the idea that masturbation leads to impotence is extremely hard (no pun intended) for me to believe. I suspect that someone is pulling your leg.
what is that refering to .
i missed the point.
must of went over my dull brain.
so could you clue me in.
hippy
i missed the point.
must of went over my dull brain.
so could you clue me in.
hippy
I don't know who this Jason is, I'm not offended if he's one of us that wants share a little humor, or wisdom, whatever you call it. However, in the future warn us about the content of the message and perhaps lead into something like this. The way this is posted makes me think this is not the real Jason, or that this is some unknow prankster. Forgive me if this is a friend.
OKAY., Now I'm stressed. When I went to the Detox, I had asked FIRST before being admitted, how much does it cost for 5 days..they told me $3000.00 cash. But, my insurance decided to go ahead and give approval for ONE day. I just got the bill..$9500.00!! This is freaking me out! That's as much as a Hysterectomy!! Also, while I was there they told me that my Urine test came back positive for Cocaine and Meth's..I have NEVER done any of that...so they re-did my test after I cried for about an hour..they charged me for the second lab test!! It came back neg for that stuff by the way. Also, there are charges on there for meds I DID NOT recieve!!! Anybody have advice on this? I am beside myself with so much anger! I called the billing dept, but they are gone for the day already...When I went through detox for the first time in Jan of this year, it was $5,000.00 but there is a new doc there now...should this be such a discrepency?? HELP
i have known people involved in running rehabs and detox's and some of them are crooks. you might want to check into the better bizzness bureau.
ther e is a rehab for teen the bridge , in my area and they charge 250.000.ooo a year. i found this out when i was speaking there and chairing an h and i .monthly meeting for na, and some of the kids there like our speakes from na so much that they decided to leave and just go to na. the rehab proceded to kick us out of the place and canceled any further na meetings.
tey lost 15 kids to us that month and lost millions of dollars
they would have gotten from the goverment and ins. companys.
that 21 years ago and 12 of those 15 kids are all still clean and going to meetings they are all from the phila area. i know all of them, and have been to most of there weddings. over the years. 2 died of od's and one died clean in a drive by taking a wedding invtation to his father in south philly.
ther e is a rehab for teen the bridge , in my area and they charge 250.000.ooo a year. i found this out when i was speaking there and chairing an h and i .monthly meeting for na, and some of the kids there like our speakes from na so much that they decided to leave and just go to na. the rehab proceded to kick us out of the place and canceled any further na meetings.
tey lost 15 kids to us that month and lost millions of dollars
they would have gotten from the goverment and ins. companys.
that 21 years ago and 12 of those 15 kids are all still clean and going to meetings they are all from the phila area. i know all of them, and have been to most of there weddings. over the years. 2 died of od's and one died clean in a drive by taking a wedding invtation to his father in south philly.
You and Body Mechanic are usually the ONLY ones who respond to me...maybe it's my name? Thanks for the info..I am not gonna let them get away for this..especially because of thier attitudes there when they didn't believe me that I din't ever do Cocaine or Meth's...the counselor looked at me straight in the face and said "tests don't lie".....when my second lab only 1hr later came back clean, I got NO apologies just then saying they lab must have made a mistake..I will definately look into the Better Business Bureau. You know, we go to these places for help and they use our vunderability against us. WHy would they say $3000.00 cash but charge an insurance company triple?? That is ridiculous! I KNOW my ins company will not pay that much. It took the nurse 8 hrs just to get an approval for 24 hrs.
Anyway, thanks so much for always listening and answering my posts. I wish everyone else here would do the same. I try to help as much as I can, and I know there are alot of good people here who help, but sometimes only the same FEW listen and answer
Anyway, thanks so much for always listening and answering my posts. I wish everyone else here would do the same. I try to help as much as I can, and I know there are alot of good people here who help, but sometimes only the same FEW listen and answer
This is a little off the thread here, but I just had an experience that I think is a lesson for us all. This morning, I had the maintenance guy in my apartment to fix my stove. I came home this evening, and thought I smelled gas. I went over to check the burners and next thing I know I had 3 foot flames coming up the wall behind the stove. Luckily, I've always kept a fire extinguisher next to the stove, so I was able to knock the fire right down. I was worried it could flare back up and the extinguisher was emtpty, so I ended up with the Fire Dept here who shut all the gas down.
The point is, if I was still using and had been "high", there would have been NO WAY I would have reacted as quickly. So think about all the close calls we avoided when we were using, and how easily we could have hurt or killed ourselves, our families, our loved ones. For me it is a lesson that clean and sober is the only way to survive, and that "escaping" reality can only lead away from this world, and you CAN take others with you, so you're not just putting yourself at risk, but those around you as well.
Anyway, thanks for listening, and I hope you got my point. Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I thought it was a good lesson for us all. Now I need to clean this place up.
Sundown
The point is, if I was still using and had been "high", there would have been NO WAY I would have reacted as quickly. So think about all the close calls we avoided when we were using, and how easily we could have hurt or killed ourselves, our families, our loved ones. For me it is a lesson that clean and sober is the only way to survive, and that "escaping" reality can only lead away from this world, and you CAN take others with you, so you're not just putting yourself at risk, but those around you as well.
Anyway, thanks for listening, and I hope you got my point. Sorry if I rambled a bit, but I thought it was a good lesson for us all. Now I need to clean this place up.
Sundown
no problem, i will always bw there to answer any question.
if i do not it means i am out for a while , but i read the post twice a day morning and night.
peace and good luck.
ps. it is always good to get a recomendation from someone
when dealing with these places.
the only one s i would trust is the christian rehabs.
tho i have never been to detox or rehab in my 30 years of
involvement with doing drugs and not doing drugs.
i can not stand to be confined. by the way a lot of the people who work at the rehabs and detoxs are aa members and na members who can't get a real job.
and i love na, but there are a lot of a holes there to .
for some of them it is a ego trip and thwy forget where they come from. to me they are prostuting there questionable recovery.
i think recovery should be givn freely as it was given to them
if i do not it means i am out for a while , but i read the post twice a day morning and night.
peace and good luck.
ps. it is always good to get a recomendation from someone
when dealing with these places.
the only one s i would trust is the christian rehabs.
tho i have never been to detox or rehab in my 30 years of
involvement with doing drugs and not doing drugs.
i can not stand to be confined. by the way a lot of the people who work at the rehabs and detoxs are aa members and na members who can't get a real job.
and i love na, but there are a lot of a holes there to .
for some of them it is a ego trip and thwy forget where they come from. to me they are prostuting there questionable recovery.
i think recovery should be givn freely as it was given to them
Oh my gosh! Thank goodness you reacted so quickly! I would've froze. Thank goodness you are ok..much damage? WHen I was on Hydro's, I was in such a fog, slow moving, forgetful. SO, you're right about the reflexes! Good luck with the cleanup!
Hippee--thanks so much for always being there! To me, this is better than any AA meeting...I find that MEN always try to use my vunerability there...And it's not my imagination..a couple of people there said that there are some holes in AA..some men go there just to get women who are in treatment..pretending that they understand..blah blah blah..but I do know all AA meetings or PA meeting are not like that. Just some.
Hippee--thanks so much for always being there! To me, this is better than any AA meeting...I find that MEN always try to use my vunerability there...And it's not my imagination..a couple of people there said that there are some holes in AA..some men go there just to get women who are in treatment..pretending that they understand..blah blah blah..but I do know all AA meetings or PA meeting are not like that. Just some.
No offense to you men here...I know not everyone is like that..so I aplologize if I offended someone here.
Hippie
"Loose lips sink ships" is an expression you do not hear very much any more. At one time it was cliche. It was an expression used by President Rossevelt during the second world war. I meant that if you had any information about shipping keep quiet about it. ie my boyfriend being shipped to France this week on the Queen Anne. If the information got out then the German u-boats would know where it would be and shink it. It was sort of a flip remark. What I meant was to tell as few people as possible and be very discrete about who you tell.
Lizzie
Medical offices, hospital and especially detoxes do this all the time. It is called a double billing schedual and it is against the law. You can make a big deal about it by getting a written bill from the detox and then sending it to the insurance company. It will probably be a waste of time. In my opinion dextoxes are the biggest waste of money. They give you inadaquate medication, treat you rudely, bring you to an AA meeting and kick you out when your insurance runs out. There is nothing that they can do for you that you can't do for yourself. In my city there is a 7-10 outpatient, methadone or bupenorphine, your choice and that will cost you $200.00 cash. If you need support go to 3 12 step meetings a day and ask someone to help you. AA/NA people are usually very good about supporting those in very early sobriety. If there is no outpatient detox in your area, this site has many detox methods to fit almost any drug and budget. I have posted the Joseph recipe a few times. There is also the Thomas recipe. I see no reason why both cannot be used at the same time. Either way I suggest you **** these money sucking, insensitive assholes that run these detoxes and use the very knowlegable people on this forum to help you.
Peace
"Loose lips sink ships" is an expression you do not hear very much any more. At one time it was cliche. It was an expression used by President Rossevelt during the second world war. I meant that if you had any information about shipping keep quiet about it. ie my boyfriend being shipped to France this week on the Queen Anne. If the information got out then the German u-boats would know where it would be and shink it. It was sort of a flip remark. What I meant was to tell as few people as possible and be very discrete about who you tell.
Lizzie
Medical offices, hospital and especially detoxes do this all the time. It is called a double billing schedual and it is against the law. You can make a big deal about it by getting a written bill from the detox and then sending it to the insurance company. It will probably be a waste of time. In my opinion dextoxes are the biggest waste of money. They give you inadaquate medication, treat you rudely, bring you to an AA meeting and kick you out when your insurance runs out. There is nothing that they can do for you that you can't do for yourself. In my city there is a 7-10 outpatient, methadone or bupenorphine, your choice and that will cost you $200.00 cash. If you need support go to 3 12 step meetings a day and ask someone to help you. AA/NA people are usually very good about supporting those in very early sobriety. If there is no outpatient detox in your area, this site has many detox methods to fit almost any drug and budget. I have posted the Joseph recipe a few times. There is also the Thomas recipe. I see no reason why both cannot be used at the same time. Either way I suggest you **** these money sucking, insensitive assholes that run these detoxes and use the very knowlegable people on this forum to help you.
Peace
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