Hi Goldilocksla welcome to the forum. Congratulations for jumping from 12mg of suboxone and for all your clean time!!! You must have so wanted off to have endured what you have. I'll just add there are some members here with a lot of clean time under their belt who jumped at a high dose of suboxone or methadone. One who comes to mind, Moyte I believe jumped from suboxone.
Well your symptoms will keep improving as Im sure they have compared to the first 1-2wks into your withdrawal.
Have you been taking anything for your withdrawl symptoms? Just let us know and if there is something you haven't tried then someone will have a suggestion.
Also what support do you have? Are you attending any support group such as NA/AA, therapist?
Thank you for posting and reaching out. We would love to support you. Your story will inspire many.
Edit- I mispelt the members name I believe CT from a substantial dose of subs.. Moyte.
Ok... So have you been using the kratom since you ceased taking the subs? If so then you are replacing then replacing the subs with what your body will register as an opiate...which is why if you don't take the kratom you feel your back to those full on withdrawals.
Is there something that has caused you to stop taking subs at the dose you were at instead of tapering? Because you are withdrawing from a high dose. But if that's what you want to do and you are 30+ days in then go for it. The concern is you don't want to replace kratom for subs. So at some stage you are going to need to reduce taking the kratom. I'll leave it at that. Because we are not allowed to give medical advice on the forum.
Were you dosing at a clinic, or getting the subs another way.
The vitamins etc you have been taking are ideal. Have you heard of the Thomas Recipe? There may be some other stuff there that might be helpful.
When you mention drs... Have you told them you are wanting off subs? Because they may be able to prescribe clonidine if they think it is ok for you to take. It helps with restless legs, racing heart etc. it is a BP medication used to treat opiate withdrawls. You may have heard of it.
Its great you work from home. We will support you on your journey. Just keep posting so we know how you're going and we will support you.
Suboxone w/d is VERY different from opiate w/d. I jumped on Jan 1st, 2015 from 24mg per day for 7 years.....b/c I wasn't willing to take it a day longer and it would've taken 3 years to ween down.
All of the w/d you're experiencing are normal and will continue and gradually get better. It was about 6/7 weeks before I really started going out in public again and really it was my husband FORCING me to get out of the house and take a ride. Sit in the sun......listen to music.....watch alot of comedy....honestly, all these things help and are easy to do. Not to be too gross....but my insides were tapioca for months. It was probably 3 months before that started subsiding a bit. What also helped me was getting into recovery. In the beginning, every meeting I went to made me feel physically better. In the beginning...that was the only reason I was going because I was getting physical relief.
As was already stated above, you must dump the kratrom. I'm not sure where your located b/c it's illegal in my state as of Dec 31st, 2016. You really are replacing one for another and I'm sure if your experience with sub w/d was like mine....YOU NEVER WANT TO HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN!
Good luck to you......
Hi Goldilocksla thinking of you? How are you going?
Hi Goldilocksla, first and foremost, I would not reccommend
Oops accidentally hit send! Ok...
First and foremost I would not reccommend taking any doseage of loperamide above what is reccommended. I know there are many posts out there on taking the this to withdraw from opiates, but as a nurse it is waaaaay too risky. If one was to take loperamide not for its intended purpose and in higher doses then prescribed the person runs a great risk of constipation leading to bowel obstruction which is a medical emergency and will require medical intervention and highly likely surgery. It's not worth it.
There's no way of swapping one drug for another and not having withdrawl symptoms.
The best method is for the person to taper. But not all people can taper because they cannot control how much they take. It may be possible to give the meds to someone else to give.
What we need to know to help you is, where were you getting the subutex from? If it was a clinic could they taper you? Because if you are taking a lot of kratom then maybe you haven't got too far in your detox. Eg if you stopped taking the kratom now how severe are your withdrawal symptoms, could you do it with trying to get a script from your dr for clonidine. It does help alot. Especially with restless legs and maybe help you get some sleep.
If you don't think you could CT from where youre at now, then we need to come up with a way for you to get through this that will be positive not potentially harmful.
What you need to accept is that you can't replace one drug with another.
You will just go around in circles.
Could you go to a facility and detox?
Where were you getting the subs from (sorry if you've mentioned any of my ?s)
Would you go to NA/AA meetings, or see a therapist?
Please stay with us. We really want to help you. We just need to know what's what etc and from there together we can build a strong foundation for your journey to recovery.
Take care SarahOz