5 year on of taking subs and now they are taking me.

[Guido17]

After a couple of months of reading these post I realize they aren't BS b/c there's a common denominator of all symptoms are mine. It took me several months to titrate from 16 mg to 1 1/2 mg per day. BTY telling all doctors what you doing isn't a good ideal. Use common sense and listen to the experienced bloggers here, they know. I'm asking for help on how to titrate further, b/c 1 1/2 mg isn't low enough to jump. I like the liquid method, seen doable. Basically looking for any advice, I'm scared. I'm  a 54 year old man and been through a lot in life that didn't affect me, but this right here is no joke, the mental alone will change your life forever if your aren't a strong person. Seek advice! P.S. Thomas recipe is in place.

[jifmoc]

I'm confused. Didn't everyone respond to you the same day you posted?

[Guido17]

Didn't understand how the post worked. Had a lot to say. Now I get it.

[jeraldP]

Hey, jifmoc, I get it. Please don't hold it against me. Posting is for a period of time and wait for the right people to answer ur questions. Thanks for guiding me, (your way of waking me up), after reading these post for a month or so, I want to say a lot b/c for the first time I'm able to talk without someone calling me a lie. Younger years when I sat down in those rooms everyone sumed you up. We are all addicts but people try to but you in a "user box". " He here b/c so and so. The truth is we are all there b/c we are sick in the head and if there was a cute pychiatrist would administer an antidope and we would all go home. So jifmoc, I'm sick, I don't know how this **** goes or where and when to post, I just got a lot to say since the age of fourteen.

[jeraldP]

FYI, I don't intent to post again until I've

[jeraldP]

Made some progress. I need to come forth with the fact that due. To my poor computer skills jeraldP and Guido17 are the same person, me. I'm sure you guys figured that out all ready. Maybe one day I can laugh at someone fumbling around on this post and by the grace of God my help them, just by telling them there not confused, just sick!

[jeraldP]

I owe you guys a lot. Being alone, just hearing your advice encourages me. Can't get smaller doses of meds, LOL, being a lab tech I'm using microscope, instruments, scapels, anything I can find to titrate physical doses trying to be precise. Hope medicine is distributed even,( doubt it). But I'm down to 2/3 of one gram a day.

[Guido17]

My point is, it's hard to find. A group that understand and accepts you. Bottom line.

[Guido17]

Thanks all of you guys, I truly have never had this before. I not on any soap box or looking for any special treatment, just talk to me like everyone talks to each other. I don't want to stick out, I just want to be told the truth, even if it hurts. Hell, I don't have any more in me.

[Guido17]

I noticed most of the post are several years old.  Is that why no one has responded. I know it hasn't been a while ,but addictive behavior makes five minutes seems like three day, plus we want what we want, when we want it. Sorry for such a rapid expectation. Not to throw stones, but the part of the country I'm from especially when you have issues you are literally sent to the back of the BUS if you know what I mean. In my younger years I processed through two treatment centers and your problem stays on the back burner until two or three day before its time for you to leave. Then when you don't fit the classic model of what they are use too they call you every lie in the book. It's not my fault I got high because it feels good and not b/c I resent someone in my family. Hell, I couldn't have asked for a better upbringing. Perfect parents, perfect silbings, and had all I wanted at me disposal including a new car at age fourteen. I didn't look at this as if I was better, the surcumstances warranted the events. My brother and I went to school a block from each other and my mother worked her *** off 40 miles away. I was always grown for my age so we got a Corolla and I transported my brother and myself home every evening. When you explain your upbringing to these backwood therapist, so-called, their personal feelings intervened and they want you to beat the floor and cry as if this is the root to your addiction. I didn't want to believe it until one day a client, two weeks ahead of my exspessed the same feelings that I picked up on. That confirm I was right. These counselors had personal issues. You got to look at deep South, back wood in the early eightiest. When they hear you are from a major city you are stereotype automatically.

[motye51]

I would recommend while your still taking 1 1/2 mg start taking good vitamins high in Potassium, Magnesium and Iron!  Eat VERY VERY healthy...start exercising as best you can.  In order to avoid heavy w/d you will need to get as low as .25mg before you can jump....even then it's tricky.  I jumped off of subs Jan 1st 2014, I was taking 24mg a day for 7 years......so I hear ya.....it was horrible.  But for now, try to make yourself as healthy as possible so your in better shape when you do w/d.  If you've gotten from 16 to 1 1/2 then you can go a few more weeks to get low enough to jump.  When you do, come on here and let us help you through it!
The people on this site saved my life and helped me go through what I remember referring to as "dancing with the devil"..............

[jeraldP]

24 mg and jumped, OMG! You still alive? That's what gets me is the fear.ive detoxed off thing before but this is a new paradigm, it seem the more they make the worst it. Is. I guest within the next ten year whatever's around people will be on it for life. They are kind of preparing us for the end of the world zombies. no turning back. On a serious note what with this Keaton. It's banned in my state. If it's truly non-addictive why banned it, big Pharm can't make any money. Does it help with symptom and you can walk away without problem? Seems to good to be true, sounds like trading one for another, again.

[jifmoc]

Hey, Guido. We aren't allowed to give tapering advice but I just wanted to tell you that I'm so glad you are taking Gnarly's advice to heart and going to meetings! You can keep getting those newcomer chips: the only requirement is a DESIRE to get clean. And you certainly have that. So get up there w/ pride! It's so hard to go into the rooms, we have to have a humility like we've never had before. So you are ahead of the game.

I understand your fear, but the fear is worse than the reality. Just get the stuff on the Thomas recipe and know that this will pass. Your brain is going through all sorts of craziness right now so don't think this is how it's going to be. You will even out once you are off subs. Meetings take away the crazy, I promise you. More folks will come on here, it's slow, so keep checking back. You are doing great:)

[Guido17]

Sorry to pour so much below on you guys but it is reality and the results of that is loneliness, you guys make me feel equal which is rare for me. You must understand, it's difficult to ask a reasonable question and no one replys. Thanks a lot

[jeraldP]

Thanks jifmoc and motye51 it's so lonely that your words are if you guys are right here before me. Means a lot and helps me feel as if the craziness isn't in my head and will
Let go away

[jeraldP]

Thanks jifmoc and motye51 it's so lonely that your words are if you guys are right here before me. Means a lot and helps me feel as if the craziness isn't in my head and will
Let go away

[Guido17]

Also, by the way I'm dumb enough to know all of this is in vain if there isn't some type of aftercare in place. I'm going to NA 3-4 time a WK now so I'm not tempted to increase my dose and go backwards. It's strange, I feel funny in there b/c I have subs in me and their motto is free of all substance. When it time to pass out chiips I feel cheap.

[Guido17]

During my reading Gnarly_1 touched home with the truth many times. It seems as his tools work