some help please?

[fuzzy20]

Hiya i'm new here but have been reading the posts and they seem really helpful.  I wondered if I could ask some advice, i'm currently swapping from 30mls methadone to subutex to do a rapid reduction over 12 -14 days, the problem is I have waited 112 hours from my last meth dose and only felt mild withdrawal I took 2mg of subutex this afternoon and still feel ok I expected to have some precipitated withdrawal but need meth out of me for 21st Jan 11 this will sound stupid but is this the calm before the storm and will I withdraw or am I lucky and going to be ok, has anyone else done this if so could you please advise me if this is normal.  I have been taking meth for 9 years and have done quite a few lefexodine detoxes from heroin before I started on meth and they were hell. But am so confused with this one, please help thanks :)

[fuzzy20]

Hi have sent you a message it's not great though :(

[fuzzy20]

hi sent u a message hope u r ok :) x

[fuzzy20]

can u speak on this forum in private chat like on Facebook?

[ImDONENoMore]

I'm still checking - I haven't received it yet.  But as soon as I do you'll hear from me. :)

[fuzzy20]

just sent another message : )

[fuzzy20]

Just sent you a message back :) x

[ImDONENoMore]

Just sent you a message :)

[fuzzy20]

hi yes i am up infact i've just sent you a message my gran had alzhimers too it's such a hard disease, i'm actually going to be a paediatric nurse my eldest son had cancer when he was 14 months old he has been in remission for 10years but still has problems with learning,growth and social awareness but he's great on the xbox lol so I learned to do his care naso-gastric tube etc and felt that I could empathise with the parent and help the kids I hope to be a good nurse but I don't want to be turned away from uni because I have to say i'm taking meth hence the sub rapid reduction i've had 4mgs today and still feel ok i'm ringing doc tommorow maybe i'm a weird case :) or i'm luckt that the detox has been relatively easy (fingers crossed) speak to you soon take care x

[ImDONENoMore]

Hey fuzzy - just wanted to see how you were holding up?  It's probably late now for you, but just in case you're up, thought I'd check in.

Nursing degree - that's so great!  I can't tell you how much I admire nurses.  I've had a lot of experience getting to know different nurses because of my Mom's illness before she died (she had Alzheimer's) and she was in a nursing home for years before she died.  If it wasn't for her nurses and the kindness they showed me during some of the worst times of my life, I don't know what I would have done.  So many of these woman and men became my best friends while my Mom was sick and I'm so grateful to all of them.  I am so impressed that's what you've chosen to do in your life.  Says a lot about you - I bet you're going to be a great nurse. :)

Oh, and I can't answer your question about where my parents came from - I was adopted as a baby and I only know my ethnic background because I had to obtain my medical history for some health problems I had and the adoption agency gave me that information.  Now that my parents are gone, I sometimes wonder if I should try to look into finding out more.  But somehow it never really mattered to me (I know that sounds strange) by my adoptive Mom was always MY Mom.  I never thought of her as anything else and still don't even now that she's gone.  So who knows, maybe someday.  So long story short (sheesh! sorry) I don't know where my biological Dad was from.

Anyway - just wanted to see how you were doing.  Would love to hear back from you.  Hang in there - you CAN do this!!  :)

[vicki595]

Hi--It's great that you're going to see a doctor about this. That's the smart thing to do.

You should research methadone withdrawal and get more info on Subutex. Both are opiates and stay in the system for several weeks.

I would stay away from the sub and try to get through the methadone detox. The sub has a pretty rough detox in and of itself.

Good luck!

[fuzzy20]

hi cheers means thanks over here so yes cheers was right 2 more people have answered but they too don't know that much about sub but just having you all answer helps. I know what you mean about wanting to be alone i'm not answering the phone told my friends I have the flu too as they don't know about my past or medication so it's great to have someone to talk to. Well i've taken another sub today and still nothing i'm worried now incase something is wrong going to doctor i need to be methadone free for the end of the month as i'm doing a nursing degree at university I don't want to defer for a year as i'm 34 now hopefully i'll get some answers soon CHEERS :) take care x p.s where in england are or were your relatives from?

[fuzzy20]

thanks your comments made alot of sense since i'm not craving methadone and haven't craved heroin for years maybe as the psychological battle is won the physical is not so hard but i did expect to feel worse after 5 days with no methadone I have taken 2mg of subutex in the hope that would precipitate withdrawal sounds stupid wanting to w/d but need it over with i'm scared i'll finish subutex detox and stil have methadone in me then withdraw is that possible do u think? i'll ask the doctor tommorow thanks again for the answer :)

[fuzzy20]

thanks for answering my final goal is to be drug free forever i'm going to university to do a nursing degree at the end of the month I have to fill a health form in and they ask what medication (if any) you take then the doctor has to sign it so I don't want to have to put methadone on the form hence the subutex reduction but this sounds silly i'm waiting to withdraw i'm going back to doctor as I don't know if this is normal if it is i'm so grateful but i feel that i may do the detox and still have methadone in my system then w/d after the detox is over is that stupid?

[Richda]

Really the only info I know is that methadone w/d are much slower since you aren't having the highs and lows of herion or other opiates it may be more just they physical, which while they aren't the greatest thing in the world they are better than they psychological effects plus the physical doesn't seem as bad because you can devote more resources to fighting that than fighting both the mental and physical... If that makes sense.

Also if either of you wants to trade cities, I would be okay with that, Utah is cold and miserable right now.

[petroglyph54]

I don't know about sub, but I did get a peak at he^@ll just the other day. We want to help. What's your final goal? To get free from this insanity for life or just need to be clean for something? No condemnation here, but with your past usage the answers might be a little differant? If your going clean, prepare before you jump, it's hard to go shopping when not feeling well. Glad you could come over and visit this side of the pond. If I knew sub I'd expand, but will leave it to someone who knows but we are wishing you good health and spirit!

[ImDONENoMore]

I don't know the area well, I too am AWFUL with geography - but I've always wanted to visit England (my ethnic background is half english, 1/4 irish and 1/4 swedish).  How cool that here we are, across each side of the pond talking, me at 10:15 p.m. and you at 2:50 a.m.  Thank g-d for the internet - especially when you have to reach out in the middle of the night (I remember only too well!).

Yeah, my detox was awful.  Worst time of my life.  Everything was upside down in those days.  At first, just constantly second guessing myself wondering if I was really doing the right thing - it felt so awful and I just wanted it to stop.  I know if it wasn't for my husband in those early days I would have relapsed.  He was so unbelievably supportive and I am so grateful for that.  And it wasn't just the physical stuff, which is so horrible all by itself.  It's the emotional side of this withdrawal that really threw me around.  Nothing made sense, I didn't want to see or talk to anyone for the first month.  I pretty much isolated myself and blamed it on, let's see, the flu, a stomach bug, whatever excuse I could come up with to avoid the world.  But I'm gonna guess that you know what I'm talking about yes?

And I truly think we are supposed to feel this bad when going through detox.  At least for me, there was no way I was ever going to forget it.  And that fear alone will keep me from ever taking this poison again (tramadol - my DOC along with xanax - also a horrible withdrawal - I cold turkeyed off of both of them at the same time and wouldn't recommend that to anyone!)

Well - hope you get some rest tonight.  And like I said, I'm sure someone with more experience with this drug will respond to you shortly.  I can't tell you how much this forum has done for me - having others to relate to and also getting so much information has been KEY to my recovery.  And I think it will be for you too.  Cheers - and get some sleep!  (cheers is correct right?) :)

[fuzzy20]

Thanks for your reply it's good to know that people care i'm feeling a little tired now so i'll try to get some sleep hope you get this message as i'm not sure i'm doing it right take care hope to speak to you again x

[fuzzy20]

I'm in South yorkshire a place near Sheffield not far from Manchester also I don;t know if you'll know where that is or have heard of them i'm crap with geography but have heard of connecticut i've read your posts and answers and you are very helpful well done for staying clean for 165 days. It snowed here 2 days ago but has gone now it's 2.50 am here my sleep is a bit disrupted but other than that I feel ok how was your detox?

[ImDONENoMore]

Yes, USA.  Northeast area - Connecticut.  We're getting hammered by another snow storm here tonight - after the one we had last night - so it will be really beautiful outside by morning.  Love this area - where are you in the UK?

[fuzzy20]

Thankyou for replying are you from USA? i'm in the UK but find that this forum seems really supportive, i'll keep checking in as u said thanks again :)

[ImDONENoMore]

You are correct - this is a great place for support and information.

I'm sure others will reply soon that have some experience with these drugs so hang tight as someone who does have experience I'm sure will respond soon.  Guess with the playoffs a lot of people are watching football.  But keep checking in - there's always someone around who can offer more specific help.

I'll be rooting for you!  :)