Any suggestions - infantile fractures??

[Kimberlee_20]

As most of you know, Dameon has 8 broken bones, unexplained, and as of right now it's being called child abuse. Two doctors believe it's absolutely child abuse, two other doctors believe it could be OI, but also think he's not a classic case, well, DH, my mother and I know it's absolutely not child abuse, so it's up to me to find out what's wrong with my son, since none of the doctors will, as they just ASSUME it's child abuse. I need to know absolutely ANY bone disease in infants that could cause multiple fractures, or for bones to easily break. Right now Dameon is being tested for hypophosphatasia, leukemia, and osteogenesis imperfecta, any other suggestions, so I can do more research, and have Dameon tested for absolutely every possibility. Thanks in advance!

[Lucey12]

Its understandable to think that is a possibility, but if they are going to have their opinions and turn a blind eye, they should at least have you reported and get checked out by child services. Then they can stop assuming and ruling out other things. I have no Idea what it could be but I hope all the best for you and your son. Keep at them to test for other things.

[blueeyedtabbycat]

I have been surfing the web for about an hour now and havent really found much of anything that will probably help your case:-( Have they run all the tests to rule OUT child abuse??? In most of the reports I read it was standard to run a battery of tests on a baby under 2 years old that has multiple fractures that appear to have happened over a period of time. I mean seriously has Dameon's doctor ever seen signs of abuse?? If h/she  had, it should of been reported a long time ago. I dont understand how they could accuse you of this if they have no evidence. I hope they find out what is causing this. I hope you have a kind judge tomorrow. One thats willing to give you the benifit of the doubt and order the doctors to find the cause of this with out pointing fingers at the parents when there has never been any reason to suspect child abuse. Poor Dameon! You guys will be in my thoughts and prayers. Keep your chin up Kim:-)

Tabitha

[Victoria01]

The only thing that comes to mind, and remember, I am not a doctor, is brittle bone disease. It can happen to infants. I have heard of cases where their bones can break from just picking them up. It might not be that, but could be worth checking in to. Good luck, and I feel so sorry for you and your little boy.

[heatherlynn22]

i know this probably isn't a huge help but have you ever seen the movie unbreakable? with bruce willis and i think it was samual l jackson. well samual l jackson is born with this rare disease that makes it so his bones are easily broken. in fact in the opening scene when he's born both of arms and legs are broken just from the delivery. i'm not sure what that disease is but could something like that disease be a possibility?

[natemomma27]

i do not know of any medical possibilites, but as far as the accused child abuse situation goes, i have been there myself with my son. he had gotten injured so i took him to the hospital and in a matter of minutes after the doctor saw him, child protective services was escorting me out of the room and away from him to ask me questions. at first i was p*ssed that they could even imagine i would intentionally hurt my son, but lets face it, some people just don't care and do hurt children, but i was not one of them. after calming down and thinking it through i decided i WANTED them to do an investigation to PROVE that i didn't cause the injury and so doctors/family/friends who ever would stop wondering if i did do something. if you have nothing to hide, id say let CPS/doctors do what they have to to rule you out and they may possibly be able to assist you on finding a cause!

[ives1974dillard]

is this the same little boy that had the easy brueses a couple of monthes ago if so dont you think that it has something to do with that i hope you get it worked out i will keep you in my thoughtes lots of (((((hugs)))))

[spade22]

I saw a recent story on a medical program about a child with OI - the baby's leg was broken my the mere act of changing her diaper and the medical professionals, at first, thought it was child abuse.  A skull x-ray was used to diagnose OI in this case as many cracks and imperfections could be seen which was indicative of the condition.

[martikadragoon]

Victoria~ brittle bone and OI are the same disorder. :)

Kimberlee~ i'm unaware of any other disorders that would result in broken bones in an infant.... but i'll keep looking and asking around to any friends in the medical field. My son's ped might know of something. she see's alot of different things in loma linda so she may have an idea....

[sweetangel7]

What about a fifth or sixth opinion...I'd keep taking him to different doctors to get as many professional opinions as possible.  How scary it must be to be in your shoes!  And poor Dameon too!  

Keep us posted...

[Victoria01]

I knew it had another name, but as I was typing I couldn't think of it. :)

[Kimberlee_20]

The thing is though, Dameon has had NO other signs of abuse, I know DH, my mother and I (all who are being accused of abuse) would NEVER hurt Dameon. I asked Dameon's ped. why Dameon bruised/cried in pain when I picked him up under the armpits, or lifted his legs to change his diaper, they said he bruised easily (turns out he's mild anemic - a symptom of osteogenesis imperfecta/brittle bone disease), and that he didn't like being held under the armpits (turns out he has a bunch of broken bones). I have taken Dameon about a total of 7-10 times to the ped. between the first two months of his life, at these appointments he had the broken bones, but no one knew about them, because there was NO external trauma. If anyone was breaking Dameon's bones, he would have massive bruises, because it SHOULD take a lot of force to break a babies bones, if it's a normal baby with normal bones. When Dameon stopped using his arm, we assumed it was asleep (because we had just woken up), or dislocated, for the simple fact that there was absolutely NO bruises/anything wrong with his arm, his arm looked perfectly normal, it was just not working. It just doesn't make sense to me, it DOES cross my mind once in a while, could someone have really hurt my son? But then I think, absolutely not, because there would be outward signs. ALSO, Dameon had an MRI done, and it came back completely normal. I'm just so frustrated, and so upset, I feel completely numb to everything.

[sweetangel7]

Soooo, how did court go?  Did they order an 'investigation'?  Another medical opinion?

[Hol739]

How did Court go? I hope things are looking up for you!!! It's awful!!!

[KeyD]

what a horrible situation. I too agree that it sounds like there is really something wrong with Dameon. I hope you find the answer. I am glad to hear that they are testing him to find out what is wrong. Does that show on TLC/Discovery Health "mystery diagnosis" have a web site?

[Kimberlee_20]

Court went HORRIBLE, since Dameon has no new fractures (OBVIOUSLY, because now we know to handle him MUCH more carefully, so we don't break any new bones) it's pretty much 100% pointing at child abuse in the judge's eyes, so we just have to wait for the test results.

KeyD - I don't know, but I should definitely be on it, haha! My poor baby!

[LosingMyMindInGA]

Ya know it just really P-I-S-S-E-S me off that the people who actually DO care about their kids are put through hell...have their reputations drug through the mud.  Yet those who treat their kids like sh*t get away with it.

Example...I was at the peds office a few weeks ago...this woman was screaming at her son (who was obviously sick) telling him to SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP...she kept smacking him, then she takes him in the bathroom and you can HEAR the slaps/smacks in the waiting room....do you think anyone at that peds office called the police?  Of course not.  Now *I* feel like completely **** for not doing it myself but I was dealing with my own sick kids and I guess I figured...hey this is a doctors office, they are required by law to report child abuse...yeah RIGHT.  

People like her get away with beating the hell outta their kids who in turn become thugs, murderers, rapists etc becuase they have so much pent up anger...

Then there are people like that couple who took completely innocent pictures of their young girls taking baths and wrapped in towels....like practically every parent in the world does.  Well some dumb twit at the walmart photo center thought they resembled child porn and reported them.  The woman was suspended from her teaching job for a year, they had to register as sex offenders and their kids were taken for a month.  

The human race is really going to h-e-l-l in a handbasket...no wait...we lost the handbasket long ago..it was slowing us down.  


Sorry...just a vent...it just really angers me to see people who LOVE Their children be unjustly accused of things while those who OBVIOUSLY commit these offenses can blatantly do it in public and no one says a word.  

[Tasia32]

OMG this is ridiculous, how can they do this to you and get away with it. I am 100% in agreement with losingmymindinga. I'm so sorry Hun you are in my prayers as well is Dameon and your family.

[GRose]

I am so sorry Kim, I cant believe you are still having to go through this. You are all in my prayers.

[CYW]

well first things first, it is understandable as to WHY the doctorS, not just 1 or 2 but many AS well as a judge would suspect child abuse because remember when you first posted, I pointed out the same exact thing. Now you may think what you want to think and you might bite my head off for it BUT look at the facts...Your DS has been staying with your sister or your aunt(i cannot remember) has he not gotten any new fractures or bruises since not being ALONE with any of you, your hubby or your mother says something...at least to me...YOU yourself may not be hurting this child, maybe you are. Your mother may be the one hurting him, i would HATE for this to be true because she is your mother and wow if my mom hurt my baby i would be livid...and then there's your hubby...See you may not want to believe it and maybe your son has a disorder, but in all reality IF all these tests are coming back negative then to me it would be abuse. Please do not be blind at this, this is your child's safety. And in all honesty, we are all on the internet and it's easy, very easy for someone to lie or say something when it isn't true. And on top of all of this you say your son had no outside trauma like bruises to suspect abuse...Even before all these broken bones when you came on here saying he had a large bruised lump on his head...TO ME that says someone shook him or bangged him on something.. you even had said he had rolled off the couch when with dh a few weeks prior, the bruise wouldnt have been of that. I really hope you get an answer but please please please do not go in this defending everyone else.. you defend yourself and yourself only for that child....because in all honesty.. you don't know whether your mother or dh was hurting him.. you were not there.. and i bet you anything whether you will admit it or not..someone was hurting this innocent little baby...I've mentioned it from the start but please for the safety of your child if you havent hurt him and you are sure of that, do not and i repeat do NOT defend anyone else because you simply do NOT KNOW!!! Good luck girl...

[Sarah1013]

I agree with CYW to a point. You should keep you mind open. A lot of people never suspected someone they loved was abusing their child and it turns out they were. You may think that these people would NEVER hurt your son but if they have been alone with him there is always a possibility.

[Lance06]

Wow...thats all I can say. I have nothing to say except...No one knows the story and I think that its best not to place blame.

[CYW]

it isnt the fact of placing blame it is the fact of finding out...the facts are there or so according to the facts this is the result...if my child had broken bones and since he was no longer residing with me he had no new ones...hmmm it would surely make me wonder

[CYW]

and another thing...who is to say that nothing has been going on when none of us are even there...even when kim isnt there you never know.. how often do you hear of people harming their own babies...or a close friend or a family member.. the fact of the matter is it is still a possibility...

[Ready_4_Baby_2]

Wow this is hard. I would say please continue to run all the test possible to find out if there is anything medical wrong with the baby. Then on the other hand I wouldnt keep my eye off of my baby. Especially when I 1st learned of the broken bones. I would only want to change the diapers, watch him or even feed him. I know that easier said then done but I would only want to protect my son and I mean from husband, mom or Mother in law. Like CYW and Sarah said you can only know that you have or havent been abusing your son. You can't speak for anyone else. People are cruel in this world and its especially hard to think that someone so close to you would do such a thing but its possible.

I'm so sorry you are going thru this.