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Need advice on severe methadone withdrawal using hydrocodone/oxycodone- help?!
*My specific questions are listed toward the end*
Okay. I was on a combined total of 300mg of hydrocodone and oxycodone a day for pain, 200mg zoloft and 10mg ambien for my anxiety/PTSD. I had been through a ton of other meds before that but that is where I was when I stopped. I went "cold turkey" off everything. Ended up in the ER cuz my body went into shock from opiate withdrawal (was on opiates for over 5 years). I just didn't want to be slave to medication anymore and had no clue that would happen. Anyway, ended up on methadone. They "stabilized" me at 105mg.
After being on methadone for 2 months, I thought I was doing great. But then I did my research on the drug and freaked. Plus I didn't like the fact that I had to stand in line and take UAs like some lab rat (yes, I have mental issues, but who doesn't). Regardless, I wanted off ASAP. So I did a 30 day detox from 105mg to 0mg. I rather deal with the cards I've been dealt naturally than chemically. I miss the old me. So, here we go...
When I hit 50mg of methadone, the withdrawals became unbearable. I started taking 5mg of hydrocodone in the morning before I dosed so they wouldn't stop the detox. By the time my UA came back, I had already been discharged since I was tapering at such an insane rate. So this has been my timeline since I've been completely off methadone:
Day 1: instant horrible cold flu symptoms. I couldn't even produce my own body heat. And I'm an actual survivor of the swine flu back in 2009. It felt a lot like that. I took 4 hydro 10s that day.
Day 2: stomach flu and cramps hit this day as well. Took 5 hydro 10s, half an oxycodone 10, and 1 ambien 10mg to try to sleep.
Day 3: one of my worst days but I received these vitamins called "withdrawal aid" and started following the regimen exactly as stated. Eating healthy (only could eat small bites of fruit at first). Took 4 hydro 10s, 1mg Xanax, and the ambien at night to try to sleep.
Day 4: was able to start eating more but still no energy. Still in pain all over my body. And the nerve pain that shoots up my spine into my brain stem didn't allow me to sleep even with the sleeping pills. Took 1mg Xanax, 2 hydro 10s, 1 oxy 10, vitamins, tons of fruit, new script for chlonidine 0.2mg, 10mg ambien to try to sleep,
Day 5: suddenly, started feeling much better. Only needed 2 oxycodone 10s (no hydros), everything else the same as day 4
Day 6: I felt better than I have in a very long time considering my severe withdrawals started 17 days ago as I was tapering off methadone very fast. I took 3 hydro 10s and 1 Xanax and the chlonidine (along with the healthy vitamins and fruit). However, nothing stops the nerve pain that shoots up my spine into my brain stem and clenches up all my muscles in my neck and back when I'm trying to sleep. Makes me kick my legs and want to rip my own spine out of my body. Even if I do fall asleep, that wakes me up and I turn into the hulk and then cry like a baby for hours in misery. And that is the main thing I've been going through for the past 17 days. That is the only thing I can't handle. I'm now just taking the opiates in the morning and throughout the night. Don't need them during the day. I just deal with the lack of energy.
Day 7: that's today. The day started out great. I went out for breakfast and treated myself to French toast, eggs and coffee. After I felt absolutely awful and got the runs immediately. What the hell is going on?? I had to take 1 hydro 10, 2 oxy and it's only 4pm!!!! I'm assuming it had to be the not so healthy food, but I had such an appetite. I thought I was in the clear. I'm sure the appetite came from my severe lack of sleep and energy. Had nausea and a massive headache soon after the runs. But now I feel like I'm on an actual "high" for some reason. No matter what, I'm not taking any more damn opiates today! I shouldn't be feeling high!! I'm actually going to try to sleep now because I'm exhausted. If I feel high, I think this is the time to get some rest.
I'm scared I will have horrible WDs when I try to not take any opiates tomorrow. However, I feel like the methadone at least is almost out of my system. My body burns through meds faster than most people (at least that's what they told me- and why it took 105mgs to stabilize me).
I'm hoping to get a muscle relaxer Rx maybe as early as tonight if the stupid pharmacy gets in gear. It's a very common med given to people going through methadone withdrawal. If I can just beat that nerve/muscle pain in my spine, I can walk off this for good. I don't have a script for opiates or Xanax anymore because I left all my old "treatment" behind. I've just been using what I've had left over all these months. I don't plan on finishing them off. I want to beat these stupid things and then say goodbye forever. If I wanted to continue to feel "good", I have plenty of pills to do it. But that's not what I want. I want to be free. Because as of right now, I'm still a slave... a prisoner of my own body. My body will eventually treat me good, if I'm good to it.
Now, with everything I've just explained, I have questions.
1. Am I feeling so much better recently because I'm becoming dependent on opiate pills again? OR is this the "roller coaster" of methadone withdrawal I've heard so much about? OR could that be attributed to the vitamins and healthy eating? AND what's with the feeling high? I'm hoping that means my tolerance has been lowered which would hopefully mean easier WDs??
2. I also have about 10 pills of buprenorphine 8mg (called subs I think?) that I got from someone I met who's been through all of this. But I don't have his number and I can't go to the clinic because I fear I'll cave and go back on the methadone. Should I cut those into the 0.5mg dose and then do the under the tongue way of taking them just to carry me off the last few oxys I need to get by once I start feeling the WDs after stopping the oxys? Or will that make me withdraw the way methadone is doing? (Don't even wanna touch those damn things. Hoping to just quit the opiates with the muscle relaxers, chlonidine, ambien, vitamins and eating healthy).
3. Will the muscle relaxer help with that spine-clench thing that makes me want to snuff it every time it happens?
I don't want to be on any meds anymore once this is over. The chlonidine and Xanax really help with the anxiety, my heart rate and bp (they've been sky high through all of this even though I'm young and generally healthy). But, I don't want to take the Xanax anymore. I hear that you can become dependent on those too, even tho they've always helped me in the past. I just still have them from my last surgery because I need them to prepare myself to go under every time (thanks to the anxiety and PTSD).
My exit plan was just to take an opiate pill when I'm at my worst (aka suicidal) and then just taper off with the help of the withdrawal aid, eating healthy, etc. So far I feel it's actually kinda working. But I cannot get over the night time hydros/oxys I need to sleep just an hour or two because of the spine thing. I could be totally knocked out on ambien and it rips me out of my glorious slumber- like the devil himself reached into my spine with his hot, fiery claws and is twisting it into a twizzler. (Yes, it's that dramatic).
Can anyone help me with my questions? I know I'm all over the place. But anyone who's gone through this might understand... I hope. I really need the advice and someone to talk to.
Okay. I was on a combined total of 300mg of hydrocodone and oxycodone a day for pain, 200mg zoloft and 10mg ambien for my anxiety/PTSD. I had been through a ton of other meds before that but that is where I was when I stopped. I went "cold turkey" off everything. Ended up in the ER cuz my body went into shock from opiate withdrawal (was on opiates for over 5 years). I just didn't want to be slave to medication anymore and had no clue that would happen. Anyway, ended up on methadone. They "stabilized" me at 105mg.
After being on methadone for 2 months, I thought I was doing great. But then I did my research on the drug and freaked. Plus I didn't like the fact that I had to stand in line and take UAs like some lab rat (yes, I have mental issues, but who doesn't). Regardless, I wanted off ASAP. So I did a 30 day detox from 105mg to 0mg. I rather deal with the cards I've been dealt naturally than chemically. I miss the old me. So, here we go...
When I hit 50mg of methadone, the withdrawals became unbearable. I started taking 5mg of hydrocodone in the morning before I dosed so they wouldn't stop the detox. By the time my UA came back, I had already been discharged since I was tapering at such an insane rate. So this has been my timeline since I've been completely off methadone:
Day 1: instant horrible cold flu symptoms. I couldn't even produce my own body heat. And I'm an actual survivor of the swine flu back in 2009. It felt a lot like that. I took 4 hydro 10s that day.
Day 2: stomach flu and cramps hit this day as well. Took 5 hydro 10s, half an oxycodone 10, and 1 ambien 10mg to try to sleep.
Day 3: one of my worst days but I received these vitamins called "withdrawal aid" and started following the regimen exactly as stated. Eating healthy (only could eat small bites of fruit at first). Took 4 hydro 10s, 1mg Xanax, and the ambien at night to try to sleep.
Day 4: was able to start eating more but still no energy. Still in pain all over my body. And the nerve pain that shoots up my spine into my brain stem didn't allow me to sleep even with the sleeping pills. Took 1mg Xanax, 2 hydro 10s, 1 oxy 10, vitamins, tons of fruit, new script for chlonidine 0.2mg, 10mg ambien to try to sleep,
Day 5: suddenly, started feeling much better. Only needed 2 oxycodone 10s (no hydros), everything else the same as day 4
Day 6: I felt better than I have in a very long time considering my severe withdrawals started 17 days ago as I was tapering off methadone very fast. I took 3 hydro 10s and 1 Xanax and the chlonidine (along with the healthy vitamins and fruit). However, nothing stops the nerve pain that shoots up my spine into my brain stem and clenches up all my muscles in my neck and back when I'm trying to sleep. Makes me kick my legs and want to rip my own spine out of my body. Even if I do fall asleep, that wakes me up and I turn into the hulk and then cry like a baby for hours in misery. And that is the main thing I've been going through for the past 17 days. That is the only thing I can't handle. I'm now just taking the opiates in the morning and throughout the night. Don't need them during the day. I just deal with the lack of energy.
Day 7: that's today. The day started out great. I went out for breakfast and treated myself to French toast, eggs and coffee. After I felt absolutely awful and got the runs immediately. What the hell is going on?? I had to take 1 hydro 10, 2 oxy and it's only 4pm!!!! I'm assuming it had to be the not so healthy food, but I had such an appetite. I thought I was in the clear. I'm sure the appetite came from my severe lack of sleep and energy. Had nausea and a massive headache soon after the runs. But now I feel like I'm on an actual "high" for some reason. No matter what, I'm not taking any more damn opiates today! I shouldn't be feeling high!! I'm actually going to try to sleep now because I'm exhausted. If I feel high, I think this is the time to get some rest.
I'm scared I will have horrible WDs when I try to not take any opiates tomorrow. However, I feel like the methadone at least is almost out of my system. My body burns through meds faster than most people (at least that's what they told me- and why it took 105mgs to stabilize me).
I'm hoping to get a muscle relaxer Rx maybe as early as tonight if the stupid pharmacy gets in gear. It's a very common med given to people going through methadone withdrawal. If I can just beat that nerve/muscle pain in my spine, I can walk off this for good. I don't have a script for opiates or Xanax anymore because I left all my old "treatment" behind. I've just been using what I've had left over all these months. I don't plan on finishing them off. I want to beat these stupid things and then say goodbye forever. If I wanted to continue to feel "good", I have plenty of pills to do it. But that's not what I want. I want to be free. Because as of right now, I'm still a slave... a prisoner of my own body. My body will eventually treat me good, if I'm good to it.
Now, with everything I've just explained, I have questions.
1. Am I feeling so much better recently because I'm becoming dependent on opiate pills again? OR is this the "roller coaster" of methadone withdrawal I've heard so much about? OR could that be attributed to the vitamins and healthy eating? AND what's with the feeling high? I'm hoping that means my tolerance has been lowered which would hopefully mean easier WDs??
2. I also have about 10 pills of buprenorphine 8mg (called subs I think?) that I got from someone I met who's been through all of this. But I don't have his number and I can't go to the clinic because I fear I'll cave and go back on the methadone. Should I cut those into the 0.5mg dose and then do the under the tongue way of taking them just to carry me off the last few oxys I need to get by once I start feeling the WDs after stopping the oxys? Or will that make me withdraw the way methadone is doing? (Don't even wanna touch those damn things. Hoping to just quit the opiates with the muscle relaxers, chlonidine, ambien, vitamins and eating healthy).
3. Will the muscle relaxer help with that spine-clench thing that makes me want to snuff it every time it happens?
I don't want to be on any meds anymore once this is over. The chlonidine and Xanax really help with the anxiety, my heart rate and bp (they've been sky high through all of this even though I'm young and generally healthy). But, I don't want to take the Xanax anymore. I hear that you can become dependent on those too, even tho they've always helped me in the past. I just still have them from my last surgery because I need them to prepare myself to go under every time (thanks to the anxiety and PTSD).
My exit plan was just to take an opiate pill when I'm at my worst (aka suicidal) and then just taper off with the help of the withdrawal aid, eating healthy, etc. So far I feel it's actually kinda working. But I cannot get over the night time hydros/oxys I need to sleep just an hour or two because of the spine thing. I could be totally knocked out on ambien and it rips me out of my glorious slumber- like the devil himself reached into my spine with his hot, fiery claws and is twisting it into a twizzler. (Yes, it's that dramatic).
Can anyone help me with my questions? I know I'm all over the place. But anyone who's gone through this might understand... I hope. I really need the advice and someone to talk to.
Whoa, that's a lot of info. Lemme ask you...what is your goal here? Are you trying to get clean? Everything you are on is addictive. Why are you on oxy/hydro AND methadone??? What do you NEED the hydro/oxy for? Yes, you are having wd symptoms (bathroom issues, rls) Sounds like a big mess that you don't need.
Why were you put on methadone and why were you put on opiates? I mean, for opiates, was it for "fun" or prescribed.
Why were you put on methadone and why were you put on opiates? I mean, for opiates, was it for "fun" or prescribed.
Sorry, I just read some stuff I missed. Seems to me you are doing everything in your power to avoid withdrawl. Sorry, friend, we play, we have to pay on the back end. There is no avoiding wds. It serves a purpose to remind us of where we never want to be again.
You'll hear from others on here that methadone is evil. I've never been on it but peeps here say it's awful. And yes, all those symptoms are wd. You are prolonging your torture by taking hydros/oxys here and there. Get rid of em. Your xanax AND ambien is a separate issue as far as detox. Those have to be tapered. How long have you been on benzos? Why on earth were you prescribed xanax AND ambien?
Yay for you getting off all this crap. Is it safe to assume that you know you will need help for your addiction. As in aftercare. Once we put the drugs down, the real work begins: we have to deal with our brains (yipee!)
Keep posting. Lots of support here:)
You'll hear from others on here that methadone is evil. I've never been on it but peeps here say it's awful. And yes, all those symptoms are wd. You are prolonging your torture by taking hydros/oxys here and there. Get rid of em. Your xanax AND ambien is a separate issue as far as detox. Those have to be tapered. How long have you been on benzos? Why on earth were you prescribed xanax AND ambien?
Yay for you getting off all this crap. Is it safe to assume that you know you will need help for your addiction. As in aftercare. Once we put the drugs down, the real work begins: we have to deal with our brains (yipee!)
Keep posting. Lots of support here:)
I have to second the "whoa"!
You are on one heck of a cocktail of some heavy hitting meds, most of which are strongly contraindicated to take together (high OD risk...resp depression leading to resp arrest).
Okay, that being said, I agree 100% with the above, you sound like you're just desperately trying to avoid w/d......only the WAY you're going about it is probably prolonging the agony for you. Methadone detox is rough, it will take a WHILE before you feel a LOT better. Some of the symptoms, like the insomnia (big one) and tummy issues can linger for months.
I REALLY think you would benefit from an INPATIENT detox program. You need to SAFELY get off this combo of meds. And whatever you do, do NOT add ANYTHING else to the mix! Adding Suboxone and/or a muscle relaxer could literally be a death sentence....you're playing with fire!!!
I commend you for wanting to get clean, but have to say that you're going about it in a REALLY bad way. Of course, like any addict, you're used to turning to a pill, or a liquid (whatever) for some kind of relief, and you're still very much stuck in that rut.
Please consider a comprehensive inpatient program, at least to get you off of a good bit of the more dangerous meds (benzos, sleep aids). How is your support system at home? Do you have anyone helping you? Do you go to meetings?
Glad you found us!!!! Just might have been in the nick of time! Whew! Keep posting!
You are on one heck of a cocktail of some heavy hitting meds, most of which are strongly contraindicated to take together (high OD risk...resp depression leading to resp arrest).
Okay, that being said, I agree 100% with the above, you sound like you're just desperately trying to avoid w/d......only the WAY you're going about it is probably prolonging the agony for you. Methadone detox is rough, it will take a WHILE before you feel a LOT better. Some of the symptoms, like the insomnia (big one) and tummy issues can linger for months.
I REALLY think you would benefit from an INPATIENT detox program. You need to SAFELY get off this combo of meds. And whatever you do, do NOT add ANYTHING else to the mix! Adding Suboxone and/or a muscle relaxer could literally be a death sentence....you're playing with fire!!!
I commend you for wanting to get clean, but have to say that you're going about it in a REALLY bad way. Of course, like any addict, you're used to turning to a pill, or a liquid (whatever) for some kind of relief, and you're still very much stuck in that rut.
Please consider a comprehensive inpatient program, at least to get you off of a good bit of the more dangerous meds (benzos, sleep aids). How is your support system at home? Do you have anyone helping you? Do you go to meetings?
Glad you found us!!!! Just might have been in the nick of time! Whew! Keep posting!
I wanted to add......everything you describe is VERY VERY typical opiate w/d symptoms, and you're only 7 days in and not even completely clean yet....so that frustration you're feeling...I think is a little bit of a misunderstanding on your part about the detox process. A lot of people think, once the drug is OUT of my system, I'll be back to normal. That's not true, unfortunately. And also, drugs like Methadone and Suboxone have LONG half lives AND they get absorbed into all kinds of nooks and crannies in the body, so it definitely takes a while.
I just wanted you to know that what you're going through is 100% normal...and considering it all......you're not doing as horribly as you COULD be!
I just wanted you to know that what you're going through is 100% normal...and considering it all......you're not doing as horribly as you COULD be!
Thank you for responding. I'm not going to lie, you've absolutely scared the hell out of me now lol. Everything I have was prescribed except the subs. I was taking too much right before my cold turkey attempt because of my own retardation. Before that, I was taking the pain pills as prescribed. This dude from the methadone clinic gave me the subs when he found out how fast I was tapering off methadone. I've never even considered just taking something "some dude" gave me until I felt the wrath of methadone withdrawal. But I've been doing my own research on them within the past couple hours and I chucked those in the trash. They say it can be just as bad as methadone withdrawal. I did NOT take any of those.
They put me on methadone maintenance after I ended up in the ER because I had no clue what was wrong with me but I was sure I was dying. They told me my body was in shock from opiate withdrawal. I had 20 pounds of swelling all over my body, puking so hard that vomit was coming out of my nose and eye sockets, etc. I've never heard of anyone going through what I did, but it might have had something to do with the fact that I stopped ALL my meds at once (including the PTSD/anxiety meds). I've come to realize that no pill can cure my mental issues. I make impulsive decisions when I start to feel trapped... Or almost any emotion.
I am NOT on methadone anymore. The hydros and oxys are just my old scripts that have been collecting dust once I got into methadone maintenance. The clinic doctor sold me on methadone like it was a cure to all my pain. But when I spoke to my family doctor, he told me it was trading one addiction for another. And I'd never been called an "addict" until I was sent to that damn methadone clinic. I felt more trapped than ever before so I signed off on a 30 day taper. And normally, someone who does a 30 detox is started no higher than 50mg. I was at 105mg. That's why I started taking the 5mg in the morning before I went to dose cuz I was more terrified of being trapped on methadone than anything else. But my withdrawals were so obvious, they would have had to stop it. A
I am not going to take any more of the hydros/oxys now. I'm seriously feeling better than I have since I started having methadone withdrawals.
They put me on methadone maintenance after I ended up in the ER because I had no clue what was wrong with me but I was sure I was dying. They told me my body was in shock from opiate withdrawal. I had 20 pounds of swelling all over my body, puking so hard that vomit was coming out of my nose and eye sockets, etc. I've never heard of anyone going through what I did, but it might have had something to do with the fact that I stopped ALL my meds at once (including the PTSD/anxiety meds). I've come to realize that no pill can cure my mental issues. I make impulsive decisions when I start to feel trapped... Or almost any emotion.
I am NOT on methadone anymore. The hydros and oxys are just my old scripts that have been collecting dust once I got into methadone maintenance. The clinic doctor sold me on methadone like it was a cure to all my pain. But when I spoke to my family doctor, he told me it was trading one addiction for another. And I'd never been called an "addict" until I was sent to that damn methadone clinic. I felt more trapped than ever before so I signed off on a 30 day taper. And normally, someone who does a 30 detox is started no higher than 50mg. I was at 105mg. That's why I started taking the 5mg in the morning before I went to dose cuz I was more terrified of being trapped on methadone than anything else. But my withdrawals were so obvious, they would have had to stop it. A
I am not going to take any more of the hydros/oxys now. I'm seriously feeling better than I have since I started having methadone withdrawals.
Hi there & Welcome :)
First off, you are not 'WeakAndPowerless' though you may feel that way right now! Congrats on making the decision to come off of opiates & Xanax & for posting.
Okay, down to brass tacks:
You've got a couple of things on your side: you're young & you were only on M'done for a couple of months though I'm not sure how long you were using your DOC's. While your Norco/Oxy habit was substantial it was not 'massive' per se. Kicking this, while no cake-walk, is Absolutely Doable!
Opiates are opiates are opiates! While I totally understand your desire to come off M'done, it will require a coherent, well-laid plan. That sux that they put you on such a high dose so quickly! They should have acclimated you & that takes a little while. @ the same time, you taper was by all standards, very rapid -- so quick that you became uncomfortable @ a dose (50 mgs.) that should have been fine. When it comes to tapering off M'done & Subs, slow & easy wins the race! It stores in your bones & tissues & it needs time to leach from your system. Otherwise, you get waves of illness as it's released. So, what you're going through is completely 'normal'.
Unfortunately, there's no way around it. If you want to be opiate-free, you'll have to go through some unpleasantness. My belief, on reading through your excellent post (after long experience with opiates & M'done), is that you're playing w/ fire. In fact, I think you already understand this when you asked about whether you're re-addicted to your DOC's. Addiction, (as I'm sure you know), starts in the mind & then becomes physical. You used M'done to get away from Norcos/Oxys, right? Now, in an effort to opt out of the whole deal, you're trying to reverse the process. If only it worked that way! :) I know that detox is rough & that for some, facing that 'abyss' can be daunting to say the least. I totally understand your trepidation re: staying on M'done for any substantial length of time but continuing to use your DOC's is definitely complicating the issue & your ability to know what is going on with you physically & mentally. You're running the substantial risk of ending up right where you were before the M'done & I know that you want better for yourself! If you really want this, you're going to have to face down that fear of the unknown. Try to think of it as an unpleasant but necessary initiation into your rebirth as a better & chemical-free you. You CAN do this. Start telling yourself this constantly & fight the lies that your habit is telling you!
I think that it's awesome that you want to come off the Xanax. They are definitely addictive & are considered the worst of the benzos. If you've been taking them for any appreciable period, it's important that you have a Dr. help you taper off them as it can cause seizures. As for Ambien, it's also addictive & though it may help you to fall asleep, it won't keep you there. It's also not a great idea to mix all these different drugs. I hear you on not wanting those chemicals in your body! In order for us to truly start healing neurally & otherwise, it's important to give 'the process' -- our incredible bodies & minds -- a chance. This becomes a lot more complex when we continue to mediate -- to fix 'symptoms' with these substances. Btw, if you're 17 days off of M'done, please, try to do this w/o Subs!! Here's a link to a discussion re: Subs & M'done a few of had here earlier today:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Day-22-Sub-free/show/2380114
(This will almost certainly not be your experience coming off M'done but I wanted you to know how strong both these drugs are).
I'm not sure, but when you're talking about the 'spine clench' thing, it might be a strong form of RLS. If it is, it will pass if you stop the opiates & wait for them to come out of your body. (Have you ever had back or spine issues?) Though we all tend to have acute & post-withdrawal symptoms in common, sometimes they manifest differently. A Cal/Mag/Zinc supplement will help ease this if that's whats actually going on.
As for the Clonidine, I'm glad you have it & hope that it helps. I'm not sure what nutritional protocol you're following, but please, hydrate, hydrate, hydrate! Hot baths with epsom salts will also help. Try to stay away from caffeine, alcohol, energy drinks, deep-fried, sugared & processed foods. They will definitely slow your healing & mess w/ your (delicate & damaged from the drugs) digestive, immune & neural systems. I know it's hard @ first but pushing yourself to exercise, even if it's just a slow walk in the fresh air & sun will help as will staying busy. When things are really bad, try to redirect. Stay on forum & post for support, research addiction, read journals, talk on status -- whatever! Watch uplifting or funny movies, journal, hang out w/ supportive, sober friends, whatever helps! Music was & is a life-saver for me & has been for many others here.
Please, fight the fear & know that all you have to get through is this current second. Don't look down that tunnel -- try not to clock watch. It will get better -- I promise! We didn't get addicted in a day, so naturally it will take a little time to start to heal.
Best of the Best to you & keep posting. Please, let us know what you're thinking & feeling & how it's going. This is YOUR place!
We're here & we're in your corner :)
First off, you are not 'WeakAndPowerless' though you may feel that way right now! Congrats on making the decision to come off of opiates & Xanax & for posting.
Okay, down to brass tacks:
You've got a couple of things on your side: you're young & you were only on M'done for a couple of months though I'm not sure how long you were using your DOC's. While your Norco/Oxy habit was substantial it was not 'massive' per se. Kicking this, while no cake-walk, is Absolutely Doable!
Opiates are opiates are opiates! While I totally understand your desire to come off M'done, it will require a coherent, well-laid plan. That sux that they put you on such a high dose so quickly! They should have acclimated you & that takes a little while. @ the same time, you taper was by all standards, very rapid -- so quick that you became uncomfortable @ a dose (50 mgs.) that should have been fine. When it comes to tapering off M'done & Subs, slow & easy wins the race! It stores in your bones & tissues & it needs time to leach from your system. Otherwise, you get waves of illness as it's released. So, what you're going through is completely 'normal'.
Unfortunately, there's no way around it. If you want to be opiate-free, you'll have to go through some unpleasantness. My belief, on reading through your excellent post (after long experience with opiates & M'done), is that you're playing w/ fire. In fact, I think you already understand this when you asked about whether you're re-addicted to your DOC's. Addiction, (as I'm sure you know), starts in the mind & then becomes physical. You used M'done to get away from Norcos/Oxys, right? Now, in an effort to opt out of the whole deal, you're trying to reverse the process. If only it worked that way! :) I know that detox is rough & that for some, facing that 'abyss' can be daunting to say the least. I totally understand your trepidation re: staying on M'done for any substantial length of time but continuing to use your DOC's is definitely complicating the issue & your ability to know what is going on with you physically & mentally. You're running the substantial risk of ending up right where you were before the M'done & I know that you want better for yourself! If you really want this, you're going to have to face down that fear of the unknown. Try to think of it as an unpleasant but necessary initiation into your rebirth as a better & chemical-free you. You CAN do this. Start telling yourself this constantly & fight the lies that your habit is telling you!
I think that it's awesome that you want to come off the Xanax. They are definitely addictive & are considered the worst of the benzos. If you've been taking them for any appreciable period, it's important that you have a Dr. help you taper off them as it can cause seizures. As for Ambien, it's also addictive & though it may help you to fall asleep, it won't keep you there. It's also not a great idea to mix all these different drugs. I hear you on not wanting those chemicals in your body! In order for us to truly start healing neurally & otherwise, it's important to give 'the process' -- our incredible bodies & minds -- a chance. This becomes a lot more complex when we continue to mediate -- to fix 'symptoms' with these substances. Btw, if you're 17 days off of M'done, please, try to do this w/o Subs!! Here's a link to a discussion re: Subs & M'done a few of had here earlier today:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Day-22-Sub-free/show/2380114
(This will almost certainly not be your experience coming off M'done but I wanted you to know how strong both these drugs are).
I'm not sure, but when you're talking about the 'spine clench' thing, it might be a strong form of RLS. If it is, it will pass if you stop the opiates & wait for them to come out of your body. (Have you ever had back or spine issues?) Though we all tend to have acute & post-withdrawal symptoms in common, sometimes they manifest differently. A Cal/Mag/Zinc supplement will help ease this if that's whats actually going on.
As for the Clonidine, I'm glad you have it & hope that it helps. I'm not sure what nutritional protocol you're following, but please, hydrate, hydrate, hydrate! Hot baths with epsom salts will also help. Try to stay away from caffeine, alcohol, energy drinks, deep-fried, sugared & processed foods. They will definitely slow your healing & mess w/ your (delicate & damaged from the drugs) digestive, immune & neural systems. I know it's hard @ first but pushing yourself to exercise, even if it's just a slow walk in the fresh air & sun will help as will staying busy. When things are really bad, try to redirect. Stay on forum & post for support, research addiction, read journals, talk on status -- whatever! Watch uplifting or funny movies, journal, hang out w/ supportive, sober friends, whatever helps! Music was & is a life-saver for me & has been for many others here.
Please, fight the fear & know that all you have to get through is this current second. Don't look down that tunnel -- try not to clock watch. It will get better -- I promise! We didn't get addicted in a day, so naturally it will take a little time to start to heal.
Best of the Best to you & keep posting. Please, let us know what you're thinking & feeling & how it's going. This is YOUR place!
We're here & we're in your corner :)
Ok I'm doing all of this on my phone and of course I accidentally hit the submit button before I could finish. I'm so new to this I don't even know if I'm posting correctly.
Ok so yes... I started taking 5mg of hydrocodone in the mornings before dosing at the clinic just to hide the symptoms. The nurse always checked you before dosing. I just wanted off that crap without having to go cold turkey at such a high dose. So my retarded mind said to switch to something easier to detox from.
I am freaking the hell out now. And I know I'm not completely clean yet but I'm trying with whatever will I have left. I know, big cry baby right? Everyone's been through their own crap. But there's no one in my life who has a clue of what I've been through. No one can relate to the things that caused my physical and mental issues. So I'm just trying to save my damn self like always.
The vitamins I got told me to start taking them one week before I stopped taking the opiate pills. Doing a taper method. And yes, I've obviously failed at tapering the opiate pills I have. Some days I need more than others. But it feels like I don't even need them now. But I'm sticking with the vitamins and eating healthy and for sure ditching the Xanax now cuz I'm freaking out about the stuff I'm reading about that now. And again, the Xanax is just left over from my last surgery because I freak out when I have to go under. I've never had an issue with Xanax. I just read that it helps ease the methadone WDs so I brought those back out of the cupboard too.
The family doc that's helping doesn't know I got back on the hydros/oxys/Xanax. So yes, I'm abusing my own prescriptions now. All I know, is that I've been off methadone for 7 days now and I'm on pretty low doses of opiate pills considering the dumb crap I was doing before. I knew something was wrong today when I started to feel high. I had never felt that from my pills before. Which probably means my body isn't in real pain anymore, right? I don't friggin know!!
I'm going to try doing this the "right" way I guess? Which I thought I was? Tapering to lower doses of stuff. Cuz methadone is insanely strong compared to hydro/oxy. But screw this man. I'm terrified now. Shaking even. Probably not making any sense. Gonna try to sleep naturally tonight. I'm even scared to take my usual ambien now. I don't think I'll sleep ever again.
Ok so yes... I started taking 5mg of hydrocodone in the mornings before dosing at the clinic just to hide the symptoms. The nurse always checked you before dosing. I just wanted off that crap without having to go cold turkey at such a high dose. So my retarded mind said to switch to something easier to detox from.
I am freaking the hell out now. And I know I'm not completely clean yet but I'm trying with whatever will I have left. I know, big cry baby right? Everyone's been through their own crap. But there's no one in my life who has a clue of what I've been through. No one can relate to the things that caused my physical and mental issues. So I'm just trying to save my damn self like always.
The vitamins I got told me to start taking them one week before I stopped taking the opiate pills. Doing a taper method. And yes, I've obviously failed at tapering the opiate pills I have. Some days I need more than others. But it feels like I don't even need them now. But I'm sticking with the vitamins and eating healthy and for sure ditching the Xanax now cuz I'm freaking out about the stuff I'm reading about that now. And again, the Xanax is just left over from my last surgery because I freak out when I have to go under. I've never had an issue with Xanax. I just read that it helps ease the methadone WDs so I brought those back out of the cupboard too.
The family doc that's helping doesn't know I got back on the hydros/oxys/Xanax. So yes, I'm abusing my own prescriptions now. All I know, is that I've been off methadone for 7 days now and I'm on pretty low doses of opiate pills considering the dumb crap I was doing before. I knew something was wrong today when I started to feel high. I had never felt that from my pills before. Which probably means my body isn't in real pain anymore, right? I don't friggin know!!
I'm going to try doing this the "right" way I guess? Which I thought I was? Tapering to lower doses of stuff. Cuz methadone is insanely strong compared to hydro/oxy. But screw this man. I'm terrified now. Shaking even. Probably not making any sense. Gonna try to sleep naturally tonight. I'm even scared to take my usual ambien now. I don't think I'll sleep ever again.
"I've come to realize that no pill can cure my mental issues." You wrote the million dollar statement!!! Aaah, we've all wished for that to be true. Boy did I want norco to be my answer. How wrong I was!
Okay, so bottom line just to be clear: you dumped your subs, you dumped your oxy/hydros, no more methadone. Yes? Did you flush those meds? Trust me, they have to be outta there. You gotta delete your contacts for meds, too. When the wds get rough, you'll be tempted. Set yourself up for success as they say.
As for the ambien and xanax, you gotta taper or could be risk of seizure etc.
Keep posting, okay??? Let us know how we can help!
Okay, so bottom line just to be clear: you dumped your subs, you dumped your oxy/hydros, no more methadone. Yes? Did you flush those meds? Trust me, they have to be outta there. You gotta delete your contacts for meds, too. When the wds get rough, you'll be tempted. Set yourself up for success as they say.
As for the ambien and xanax, you gotta taper or could be risk of seizure etc.
Keep posting, okay??? Let us know how we can help!
Hi well you cant quit a opeit with another opiate your just going to be going in circles....everybody her was looking for a ez way out and all will testafi that it wont work you wind up switching addictions and your back to square one...the only way to get off this stuff is buy quitting it all once and for all dump the pills you have this will not work and only hinder your brains ability to heal your system needs to learn how to produce it own endorphins as long as you are using this wont happen it is epically true for methadone keep posting methadone is a real bit ch to quit but it is doable I kicked a 150mg habit as you can see it is very cyclic and will come on in waves keep posting for support...........Gnarly
Okay. Exhale. It's okay. You will be okay. You are just freaking yourself out. Stop reading info online!! You'll read so many symptoms you'll think you have scurvy by the time your done!:)
Go and read the FIRST posts of folks on here. Meaning the newbie posts. You'll see how so so many have kept this a secret. We think we're alone. We aren't. Look how many of us are there. Also, that's reason #59 why need aftercare/meeting. We are in a room of folks w/ the exact same problem.
Don't quit the xanax just yet. That may be dangerous. But, the other stuff, flush it!
You will be okay. We have ALL been there. And we have lived to tell the tale:)
Go and read the FIRST posts of folks on here. Meaning the newbie posts. You'll see how so so many have kept this a secret. We think we're alone. We aren't. Look how many of us are there. Also, that's reason #59 why need aftercare/meeting. We are in a room of folks w/ the exact same problem.
Don't quit the xanax just yet. That may be dangerous. But, the other stuff, flush it!
You will be okay. We have ALL been there. And we have lived to tell the tale:)
I'm in fkn tears right now from all of y'all's support. Going from someone that people respected and looked up to- to where I am now.... It kills you inside. I can't talk about my anxiety/PTSD issues even if this is anonymous. I wish I could. I used to have a psychiatrist but all she did was stick me on stupid zoloft. Just cuz zoloft is the most prescribed med for PTSD doesn't mean it works man. I've been on so many damn antidepressants that I could fill a pharmacy. I feel I am stronger than this. I want to be free so bad. I want to be strong and powerful again. Not weak and powerless.
You WILL get through this. People do it EVERY day sweetie. Sure it's not pleasant (and sometimes downright torture), and the crappiest thing is that it takes TIME.....who DOESN'T want to feel better right away, right?
Sorry if I helped to scare the daylights out of you. Yikes. I'm so glad you posted, because while I feel bad that you got scared, I don't think you realized the extent of what you were doing.
Keep posting....keep reading. You're surrounded by loads of people who have been there.....you've got a whole bunch of cheerleaders rooting for you.
Take a deep breath, and tell yourself that this is your turning point, tomorrow will be a new day. In anything, there should be an element of relief in there too.
Prayers and energy being sent your way.
Sorry if I helped to scare the daylights out of you. Yikes. I'm so glad you posted, because while I feel bad that you got scared, I don't think you realized the extent of what you were doing.
Keep posting....keep reading. You're surrounded by loads of people who have been there.....you've got a whole bunch of cheerleaders rooting for you.
Take a deep breath, and tell yourself that this is your turning point, tomorrow will be a new day. In anything, there should be an element of relief in there too.
Prayers and energy being sent your way.
I've only been taking 1mg Xanax once a day during the daytime for the past 5 days I think? It's in my timeline from my original post. I take the ambien at night to try to sleep. I was on this same regimen before all my surgeries so I thought it was safe? And I always had more to last after the surgeries but I didn't feel I needed them once I woke up and wasn't dead! And I was on oxycodone after the surgeries too. I'm sorry if I'm confusing. Like I said, I've never had an issue with Xanax before. So should I just stop taking them now like before? Throw them or taper from Xanax? And yes the subs are fkn gone.
You've received the best advice around! I want to emphasize about the Sub...Don't take it! It's not like any old opiate. If you take it when there's still an opiate in your system you'll get really sick. Flush those things unless you have already...I can't tell at this point! LOL...and take as little of any of your other meds as possible. The optimum would be to take nothing but vitamins and minerals...
Have you been taking Xanax every day for a while? Like months or years? If so, then don't stop it cold turkey. Taper off a little at a time...
Stay in touch-
Have you been taking Xanax every day for a while? Like months or years? If so, then don't stop it cold turkey. Taper off a little at a time...
Stay in touch-
Hey there :)
Thanks for doing all of that on your phone!
Please, please..don't panic. You're going to be OK. We hear you when you say that there are no people in your life right now who understand.
The fact is -- We do!
Of course you're doing the best you can. Totally! But that's why you're here, right? You're doing the best that you can. So, you got some maybe eye-opening feedback from folks that have been just where you are & care. Try not to let the anxiety & fear get to you. You're going to be OK! It might be a little uncomfortable for a while but that will pass. Just keep reminding yourself of all the reasons that you're doing this. If you're unable to sleep, don't fight it. Redirect.
What you're going through isn't uncommon. You're on a mental/physical roller-coaster which is completely 'neural' in nature. Please know that this is par for the course.
Hang in there, my friend & again, I promise you -- (& I think my buddies above will back me on this) -- that if you stay the course, it'll be worth it.
Dare to Believe in your ability to do this. You're making your future right now. You CAN do this!
Thanks for doing all of that on your phone!
Please, please..don't panic. You're going to be OK. We hear you when you say that there are no people in your life right now who understand.
The fact is -- We do!
Of course you're doing the best you can. Totally! But that's why you're here, right? You're doing the best that you can. So, you got some maybe eye-opening feedback from folks that have been just where you are & care. Try not to let the anxiety & fear get to you. You're going to be OK! It might be a little uncomfortable for a while but that will pass. Just keep reminding yourself of all the reasons that you're doing this. If you're unable to sleep, don't fight it. Redirect.
What you're going through isn't uncommon. You're on a mental/physical roller-coaster which is completely 'neural' in nature. Please know that this is par for the course.
Hang in there, my friend & again, I promise you -- (& I think my buddies above will back me on this) -- that if you stay the course, it'll be worth it.
Dare to Believe in your ability to do this. You're making your future right now. You CAN do this!
Yay, glad you wrote "not weak and powerless" See all us lovely peeps that have been where you are? Of man, the regret, the disbelief at what we "were" and what we became. We've all been there. Called being sick and tired of being sick and tired! Yup:)
If you've only been taking xanax for 5 days, you have nothing to worry about. The ambien, still, you may wanna taper if you've been taking it for a while. And yes, none of us could taper opiates...no addicts can do that!
Glad you feel the support. Stay close:)
If you've only been taking xanax for 5 days, you have nothing to worry about. The ambien, still, you may wanna taper if you've been taking it for a while. And yes, none of us could taper opiates...no addicts can do that!
Glad you feel the support. Stay close:)
Ok I don't know why I can't make things clear. Am I taking crazy pills?!? (That's funny damnit).
I was on 5mg of hydro once daily during the last 10 days of my methadone taper. Day 1 off methadone I had to take 4 hydro 10s. I only take them when I feel like snuffing it. Didn't start anything else until I was completely off methadone.
I have a prescription coming for a muscle relaxer tomorrow to help with the spine clench thing. I am shaking in fear from taking anything else. The last dose of an opiate pill I've had (one oxyxodone 10/325) was around 7 hours ago. I took the Xanax about 10 hours ago. I haven't had anything else since. I'm still going to take the night time vitamins as the withdrawal guide says to do and have been doing for the past 5 days. I'm too scared to take my ambien now. Been on ambien on and off for years because trazadone makes me sluggish. That's what they always try to prescribe PTSD patients but it makes me feel like I'm walking through mud all day. So they keep me on ambien for sleep cuz it does the trick for me (at least until I started going through WDs).
I was on 5mg of hydro once daily during the last 10 days of my methadone taper. Day 1 off methadone I had to take 4 hydro 10s. I only take them when I feel like snuffing it. Didn't start anything else until I was completely off methadone.
I have a prescription coming for a muscle relaxer tomorrow to help with the spine clench thing. I am shaking in fear from taking anything else. The last dose of an opiate pill I've had (one oxyxodone 10/325) was around 7 hours ago. I took the Xanax about 10 hours ago. I haven't had anything else since. I'm still going to take the night time vitamins as the withdrawal guide says to do and have been doing for the past 5 days. I'm too scared to take my ambien now. Been on ambien on and off for years because trazadone makes me sluggish. That's what they always try to prescribe PTSD patients but it makes me feel like I'm walking through mud all day. So they keep me on ambien for sleep cuz it does the trick for me (at least until I started going through WDs).
But see this is what I'm trying to say. I feel like I don't NEED the hydros and oxys anymore. And that I can finally taper down to 0 because I have access to all the other stuff they say helps makes the WD process easier (vitamins, insanely healthy diet, chlonidine, and now tomorrow, the muscle relaxer).
I took 3 oxycodone 10/325 today 4 hours apart. From 105mg of METHADONE just 37 days ago to 3 oxys today... Doesn't this mean I'm successfully tapering??
I took 3 oxycodone 10/325 today 4 hours apart. From 105mg of METHADONE just 37 days ago to 3 oxys today... Doesn't this mean I'm successfully tapering??
That clinic SELLS methadone to crapheads like me and call it treatment. Which the same can be said about the pain specialist I saw for years. I'm desperately trying to be free. I just freaked out today because I felt high from the last oxy I took and I have never felt that before. And this means I'm an addict, right? I'm seriously asking. I'm pretty damn sure my body has healed itself by now (as in why I've been on pain pills in the first place)- even though I have aching throughout my whole body which should be because of WDs right?
I can take the cold and stomach flu symptoms. Like I said, I survived the swine flu. I can take the body aches. I've been through SERIOUS pain. It's just that damn spine clench thing that makes me want to literally cut myself open with a knife and rip my spine, nerves and muscles out. Hence, getting a muscle relaxer and taking all that other crap they prescribe for methadone withdrawal symptoms. I've just been using what I've had before I got help from the family doc about it all this. I just didn't tell him I was tapering myself still with other opiates and using Xanax to keep me calm.
I have the chlonidine now and it actually makes me sleepy. I'm just going to start taking that at night time instead of the ambien. He said it would even help with the anxiety so again, don't need the Xanax!
I've been going through hell for the past 17 days and today felt better than ever and I'm pretty much on the lowest dose of opiates since all this started. I just freaked out about feeling high from the last oxy I took 7 hours ago I guess. And yes I'm trying to calm down but I'm scared ima die now or something. Holy hell. Trying to be humorous cuz that's what I do when I freak out. Can't think of anything funny to say with this post. I'm nuts...
I can take the cold and stomach flu symptoms. Like I said, I survived the swine flu. I can take the body aches. I've been through SERIOUS pain. It's just that damn spine clench thing that makes me want to literally cut myself open with a knife and rip my spine, nerves and muscles out. Hence, getting a muscle relaxer and taking all that other crap they prescribe for methadone withdrawal symptoms. I've just been using what I've had before I got help from the family doc about it all this. I just didn't tell him I was tapering myself still with other opiates and using Xanax to keep me calm.
I have the chlonidine now and it actually makes me sleepy. I'm just going to start taking that at night time instead of the ambien. He said it would even help with the anxiety so again, don't need the Xanax!
I've been going through hell for the past 17 days and today felt better than ever and I'm pretty much on the lowest dose of opiates since all this started. I just freaked out about feeling high from the last oxy I took 7 hours ago I guess. And yes I'm trying to calm down but I'm scared ima die now or something. Holy hell. Trying to be humorous cuz that's what I do when I freak out. Can't think of anything funny to say with this post. I'm nuts...
I feel like I've confused everyone now, including myself. I've never been so emotional and confused in my life. Crickets...
Hi there 'nutter',
You're not nuts -- you're normal!
Being humorous when you freak out is excellent. Anything that puts a smile on your face & keeps you coming here.
You're NOT gonna' die or something! (There's an infinitely greater chance of that if you stay on!)
I'll reiterate: The crazy way that you're feeling is due to being in acute w/d. The sooner that you decide to permanently ditch the pills, (& I hear you that you want it to be your last), the sooner you'll be able to get off the crazy ride you're on (in between opiates & no opiates). No need to be strung out -- no need to prolong the agony -- you can do this! You've been through serious physical pain. So, what I'm hearing is that this is predominantly mental (which doesn't make it less daunting, in fact it makes it more so for some!) Just know that this is what is going on here, OK?
Again, you CAN do this :)
You're not nuts -- you're normal!
Being humorous when you freak out is excellent. Anything that puts a smile on your face & keeps you coming here.
You're NOT gonna' die or something! (There's an infinitely greater chance of that if you stay on!)
I'll reiterate: The crazy way that you're feeling is due to being in acute w/d. The sooner that you decide to permanently ditch the pills, (& I hear you that you want it to be your last), the sooner you'll be able to get off the crazy ride you're on (in between opiates & no opiates). No need to be strung out -- no need to prolong the agony -- you can do this! You've been through serious physical pain. So, what I'm hearing is that this is predominantly mental (which doesn't make it less daunting, in fact it makes it more so for some!) Just know that this is what is going on here, OK?
Again, you CAN do this :)
Okay. Thank you for the reassurance. And again I'm doing this on my phone so scrolling up to direct certain statements to the right people is hard cuz then I end up pushing something I don't mean to and have to start all over. Thank you EVERYONE.
I probably shouldn't have made so many impulsive decisions but being on so much medication for so damn long makes me feel like I'm in a prison. A slave to something I can crush between my fingers. Something so small can control something as powerful and amazing as the human body? F that. Btw, can we cuss on here? I'm a potty mouth. Feels damn good to say cuss words. Especially the F word. SO YEA, F THAT! I've been a lab rat for 14 years cuz they don't care about Fing with even the minds of children. I'm SICK of it.
And yes, I've been through serious pain. But I've never experienced a pain like this spine clench thing before. Maybe it's because of my severe exhaustion that it's making me feel unable to bear the pain. The Rx I'm getting tomorrow helps with nerve and muscle pain. It has great reviews and 100% non-addictive, just like the chlonidine.
I know a lot about the human anatomy. And I know for a fact this isn't something any human being should have to go through. It's unnatural. These damn chemicals shouldn't be in my brain and body man. My body is supposed to be able perform under the most extreme circumstances to ensure survival. And these damn chemicals are making me want to snuff it. It's compete BS. I swear I'll never take another damn pill once I get through this. Humans survived just fine before all this crap came along.
Can you all tell I've desperately needed someone to talk to since forever ago? LOL
I probably shouldn't have made so many impulsive decisions but being on so much medication for so damn long makes me feel like I'm in a prison. A slave to something I can crush between my fingers. Something so small can control something as powerful and amazing as the human body? F that. Btw, can we cuss on here? I'm a potty mouth. Feels damn good to say cuss words. Especially the F word. SO YEA, F THAT! I've been a lab rat for 14 years cuz they don't care about Fing with even the minds of children. I'm SICK of it.
And yes, I've been through serious pain. But I've never experienced a pain like this spine clench thing before. Maybe it's because of my severe exhaustion that it's making me feel unable to bear the pain. The Rx I'm getting tomorrow helps with nerve and muscle pain. It has great reviews and 100% non-addictive, just like the chlonidine.
I know a lot about the human anatomy. And I know for a fact this isn't something any human being should have to go through. It's unnatural. These damn chemicals shouldn't be in my brain and body man. My body is supposed to be able perform under the most extreme circumstances to ensure survival. And these damn chemicals are making me want to snuff it. It's compete BS. I swear I'll never take another damn pill once I get through this. Humans survived just fine before all this crap came along.
Can you all tell I've desperately needed someone to talk to since forever ago? LOL
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Will be keeping an eye on this post as im sure many people will.
You've come to the right place to accomplish getting clean and staying clean. The people on this site have only your best interest and outcomes at heart, so take what they say and use it! I came here Jan 2, 2014 to detox and get clean...its now Nov 19th, and i have 10 months and 19 days free and clear of opiate and sub addiction!
YOU SO CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS!
You've come to the right place to accomplish getting clean and staying clean. The people on this site have only your best interest and outcomes at heart, so take what they say and use it! I came here Jan 2, 2014 to detox and get clean...its now Nov 19th, and i have 10 months and 19 days free and clear of opiate and sub addiction!
YOU SO CAME TO THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS!
Thanks. Oh yea so I'm still confused about something things.
I know not to take the Xanax anymore. I'll only take my ambien if I absolutely need it as opposed to relying on it every night. I've never had any dependency issues with ambien...
So FOR SURE I shouldn't taper to 0 with the opiates like the guide from the vitamins say to do? I HAVE TO jump off where I'm at today? I took 3 pills today. I'm already freaking about not having the most important one (bedtime). Because that's spine clench time.
The guide says to first stop taking the ones throughout the day until you only need the morning and night time one. And then you finally stop your last pill with one pill in the morning and then that's it. You "jump". I've been building the vitamins in my system and eating healthy like it told me to.
I know not to take the Xanax anymore. I'll only take my ambien if I absolutely need it as opposed to relying on it every night. I've never had any dependency issues with ambien...
So FOR SURE I shouldn't taper to 0 with the opiates like the guide from the vitamins say to do? I HAVE TO jump off where I'm at today? I took 3 pills today. I'm already freaking about not having the most important one (bedtime). Because that's spine clench time.
The guide says to first stop taking the ones throughout the day until you only need the morning and night time one. And then you finally stop your last pill with one pill in the morning and then that's it. You "jump". I've been building the vitamins in my system and eating healthy like it told me to.
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