Swear to GOD!

[Ready2befree]

AThis is a rant and not really a question.  I'm so fed up with ppl getting misled into taking this Suboxone crap.  If i had to do it all over again i would have just cold turkey'd off the pain pills.  I'm so frustrated with what we go through as general public more importantly the addict community. Can they not figure out how to make something Non Habit Forming? I mean really is this the governments plan to take down white ppl? I have yet to meet a black man addicted to oxy.  It's a white problem.  Black crack White Oxy.  Here i am at almost a month clean and these little side effects are hanging with me and its keeping me from feeling completely normal.  I'm coughing non stop..so bad i think i pulled my diaphragm.  The sneezing is subsiding but really? Make a drug that affects us 1 full month almost from quitting.  THAT IS SOME BCHIT!!!!! I'm a very strong person with a ton of willpwer.  I really pity anyone weak minded or low self control to find their way off this crap.  SO MAD SO MAD SO MAD!!!!!!!!!

[Krissy_123]

Hey ready,I had that dang cough too. It was crazy effin annoying!!! It lasted 8-9 weeks before it started to let up. I had my chest/lungs checked and nothing was wrong. You're doing so awesome,you should be so proud of yourself. I'm just going to leave the other comments alone,I agree with you on pretty well everything you said though. I do hope you start to turn a corner soon. Keep posting,I love reading your posts and progress!! :))

[jugglin]

Thank you for your post E....I have a friend who would be back in prison or dead from his heroin use had he not recently started a Sub program - which includes a great addiction therapist.  He has battled this addiction for so long and had some good clean time after he WD'd on a jail cell floor and went to NA while in prison. However, he found himself putting that d@mn needle in his arm again a few months back...I'm praying the Subs and the therapist help him get his life back.  There is a time and place.  We are not here to judge others in their recovery choices...we are here to inform, support, and share our stories...each a unique journey.

[EvolverU]

adlover:

Don't get me started on insulin resistance & the current state of the western diet :) Kudos to you for losing the weight & battling that tough addiction! My hat is off to you. Believe me, I did pause when I wrote the above (as I realized the very fact you mentioned) but my point was that some people can take cookies or leave them. They aren't marketed specifically for addicts. That's not the case with a Sub prescription. The changes are profound (not that insulin resistance isn't!) & affect every system in the body as it changes the hypothalmic/pituitary/adrenal axis. I feel that in terms of chemistry, it's like throwing kerosene on a fire (the fire being the initial opiate addiction). I hear you on the team morale thing -- it's why I originally posted. I salute your impressive successes in battling your addictions thus far. Well done! :)

Ready2befree:

I'm so sorry that you're suffering right now! Reading your posts brought me right back to early detox of M'done & Subs. I know how raw you're feeling right now, how little sleep you're probably getting & how time is crawling. I'm glad that you're here & that you're hanging in there. You're kicking a monster & it takes time, time & more time to start to level out but it's so very worth it! Don't ever look back. You got this! :)

& now, I'm going to go out & enjoy my opiate-free life & my precious day off. It's amazing! :)

Proud of both you guys!

[addlover]

Thank you, for reminding us the importance of sticking together
sometimes the message gets lost in our own personal anger
but sometimes the anger is the catalyst for change.
I'll take this post as a challenge to better myself. Thank you all who contributed to this conversation

[Emily_MHManager]

Hi everyone -

This thread is a great discussion, and we've removed the name calling, but please, if the insults and arguments continue, we'll have to close it, so remain civil and remember that the fight is the same in the end for everyone here.

Emily

[addlover]

I don't know.. because cookies and such (my food addiction) changed my body chemistry,  so much so, that I became dependant on insulin. So my brain/ body is forever changed. Making it difficult to come off insulin. Now I did finally win that battle, I lost the weight and am no longer insulin dependant
I think we are all on the same team. But when we start name calling and suggesting that someone " enjoy their sub high"  that just brings the team morale down

[Ready2befree]

Evolver that was the best reply yet.  Tha k you! I'm miserable  right now with how many bad affects I'm facing 3 weeks out.  I thought I was in the clear as it just crept right on me.  I appreciate  you breaking it down for me.  I truly  just wanted to vent about how bad this drug is.  I will continue on and not look back..thanks again!

[EvolverU]

Hi,

I was going to post on this last night but got distracted. I totally hear your frustration re: Subs. Personally, I loathe this drug & agree that it has been deceptively marketed (especially initially) & over-prescribed. However, I believe that the honeymoon is well & truly over with this one. The info is out there & floods of dismayed, trapped patients are bemoaning the same difficulties & frustrations you've voiced.

That said, I agree with a couple of the posters that it is absolutely incumbent on us to do our own research on this & on everything you put into your body! The pharmaceutical industry has become synonymous with releasing & promoting drugs that are often dangerous.

There IS a place for Subs & M'done. It's called harm reduction. If you're shooting drugs &/or had habits that have landed you in legal trouble, health trouble -- if they've destroyed your life -- if you've tried other routes & have failed -- then a low maintenance dose partnered with counseling can be a life-saver while you attempt to put your stuff together. Where the patient takes it from there is ultimately up to them. It's certainly not optimal to stay on them for extended periods of time. If you trusted in your Dr. & were put on them for pain or because you had a pill addiction then I feel for you -- it's where you take it from here that counts. (Lesson learned, eh?)

Adlover: I think the difference between Cookies & Suboxone is that there are people without food addictions who are able to eat Nabisco without becoming addicted or seriously altering there neural pathways. Not so with Buprenorphine which was specifically designed & marketed for opiate addicts ! The irony is that's it's more addictive & harder to come off of then most of the medications people are attempting to kick..

Ready2befree: Like I said, I feel the same way you do about what I consider some of the criminally irresponsible & callous way certain Drs. prescribe this med. It's all about the almighty dollar -- it's a cash cow. I know you feel strongly, but I take exception to your calling people idiots on this forum as it's counter-productive to what we're all trying to do here. I don't know adlover's details but if he/she's on Subs & here, I assume that they want support & input just like all the folks who come here. We can share opinions without recourse to that sort of thing, right? I also think you might have missed the point of Ben727's post. He's a long-standing member here, is almost 3 yrs clean (read: not on Subs -- never was) & does his homework. What you've got to understand is that those of us who've been here for a while, have watched people come & go who believe that they're 'clean' on Subs -- not even understanding the basic fact that they're on an opiate.

I have every sympathy for folks that have ended up on this drug in one way or another & are struggling to come off it. I know it's not a cake-walk but it's doable! Have patience with yourself & the process. It's takes a while for your brain chemistry to heal after the insult of these drugs. Congrats on coming off -- stay strong -- it gets better :)

[addlover]

Is (a non-addictive opioid) a possibility? Absolutely. And there are a lot of people devoting a lot of time and effort to it," said Pasternak, who is not associated with the Cara research. "It could be ready relatively soon."
Cara's compound, called CR845, works on different nerve-ending receptors than traditional treatments and isn't believed to enter a patient's brain. In addition to being non-addictive, drugmakers say, it doesn't cause side effects such as nausea or respiratory depression.
This article may help you at least start a conversation with your dr
it is an older article,  but maybe a place to start

[Ready2befree]

P.s I'm in so much pain in my ribs from coughing.   Yet none wants to help me with my questions.   If we are supposively fighting the same fight..why are some people  miles ahead while others are in the stands watching us get clean?

27 days OFF subs, fried foods, gambling, smoking, caffiene, xanax.

[refills]

Hey Ready. With all due respect. This community is a little different than some others on Med-Help. Addiction comes in so many different disguises, time lines,and degrees. We are all different but alike at the same time. There are not many here that believe they have the definitive answer in the grand scheme of addiction. We are here to help guide through are own experiences that have worked for us as individuals and as a group. All the while knowing that come tomorrow brings an exciting new day along with the challenges that goes with it. Everyone is near the same place but millions miles apart. Show the Love my friend, there is enough room for everyone...ike

[addlover]

Wow, you can't even have a decent conversation about this without name calling. I hope you get the help you need. You seem pretty angry , maybe reevaluate who you should be mad at.... You
I don't get high off the subs
But hey, if name calling and being angry keeps you sober, more power to ya

[addlover]

Supposed to say, great post Ben

[addlover]

Great post

[Ben727]

I find it hard to believe that in 2015, with the entire sum of human knowledge available on your phone, that people are mindlessly putting whatever their doctor gives them into their system. Subs do have a place for a certain profile of addict, and yes doctors do over-prescribe them to the wrong people, but I don't see how anyone can miss the fact that it's an opiate. Or be unable to do a little research. My opinion is that blaming the doctor is making excuses. There's an old expression: When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So if you go to a sub doctor, don't be surprised if they prescribe you subs!

[vicki595]

I agree with you for the most part. SUBOXONE has it's place but it's waaaay over prescribed by supposed Sub Doctors who don't have a grasp on how to prescribe and to whom.

I always go back to the fact that it's an opiate and although I don't have a personal experience, so many have talked about getting high on Sub. That's a problem along with staying on it for months and years.  

I'm glad you got this off your chest!

[addlover]

I do not know your history I was talking about my history my addiction to food my addiction to cigarettes
so my opinion has no value because I'm still on suboxone that was kind of rude

[addlover]

My comparison was to addictions

[Ready2befree]

Here's the way I think they get you.  Most of us get on subs to avoid or greatly reduce  getting sick From being given depen!ent.  So we trust the dr that we can live a normal life on thesee forever.  Well after 2 or 3 years of upping doses it's easy to get caught up in a very unhealthy lifestyle.  Noone will eve convince me you can live normally on these DRUGS. So as vulnerable  as we are getting g to the sub doc we are willing to do whatever it takes to feel better.  Little did we know we were entering into a practically life sentence.   The truth is relapse on subs is EXTREMELY  high.  Most cannot break these before they break you! Most don't have time to give themselves  to be patient to recover appropriately.   I could go on and on!

[motye51]

Yeah, i have to say i dont think this is a fair comparison. IMO, people find subs when they cant handle w/d and staying clean on their own. I didnt go to a dr to buy oreos, however, i did put my trust in a dr that the subs were the answer. It was a big mistake.....

[Ready2befree]

Btw  you must not know my history.  I've quit smoking alcohol fried foods caffeine gambling and all prescription medicines.  This DRUG is the only thing lingering in my life for any type of reality.

[Ready2befree]

You want to compare Suboxone to Food? You need 1 to live.  You're just disagreeing with me which is fine.  Are you still on Subs? Sounds like something  I would have said ON drugs.  

[addlover]

Yes, buyer beware!  When it comes to anything
I've been fat before,  but never blamed Nabisco
I've smoked for years, but never felt Philip Morris was out to get me
and I am an addict , on suboxone. But don't feel like my dr is money hungry or is clueless. And I don't blame Reckitt Benckiser ( maker of sub) for my on going recovery
these are just a few things I thought of when I read your post
just my humble opinion

[motye51]

Lol...i love your rant b/c i have to agree. It would have been ao much easier to w/d off the pills rather than the subs....and most drs that prescribe it have no idea what their doing.....use this hatred to your advantage to stay clean. Use whatever u have to!