Need help with kicking heroin

[salmanza22]

I am new here and looking for some help. My fiance is trying to kick heroin. He is a recovering addict from meth but this is his first relapse where he is dealing with heroin. We are not sure what to expect except for what I have read or what the best approach is. Can you help me?

[salmanza22]

So since my last post a lot has happened. He proposed, got me a really nice 10K white gold ring. We dealt with the rls and other withdrawls. Spent a night at the coast. Spent mothers day with his grandma and my family. Then I had a miscarriage and he used yesterday. Instead of being with me while I was miscarrying he dipped out to relaps again. He says he didn't buy any just used. I knew right away even tho he insisted he was sober. Today after I went to see him and I saw his eyes I asked him again and he admitted. Idk what to do anymore :(

[salmanza22]

He is still refusing meetings. I bring em up as much as I can and hopefully he will try again. I will push exersise and hot tub leter today. Thanks :)

[10356]

Glad to read he is still having a rough time sleeping this means he is still clean !! as far as the restlessness exercise is what we recommend :) This will pass.. Using is not a option. I hope he has checked out some meetings.. lesa

[salmanza22]

He is doing a lot better. Sleep is hard to come by due to restless leg. Anyone have any info on the restless "third" leg? He is complaining that his penis area is restless and he can't stand it. I'm looking for some immedieate advice because he is talking about using just to reduce this discomfort :)

[bigz2011]

a lot of fluids. hot baths. menthal rubs on legs. Get some natural teas that help with sleeping.
some natural pain killers for the pain and maybe natural diahoera supplements.

Had first hand experience, keep him comfy. go for walks like suggested.

[salmanza22]

Thanks again everyone for the support. I will keep you all updated. So far he seems to be doing better. But I also know better :(

[IBKleen]

Hi,

Glad you came back to talk with us. He sounds like he is in the throws of withdrawal and as it was mentioned, it will be another 4 or 5 days for the physical symptoms to get better. Same thing with his pupils.

Also, as mentioned, he should absolutely find a support system. Getting clean is the easy part---staying clean will take work and the support of others who have experience and can help him to learn to live life without the use of drugs.

I know you want to help him and that is certainly admirable but his recovery program is just that...it is HIS. You can support him without going to meetings with him if he chooses that route. He may have some issues that he needs to speak with one of the male members about, let's say, and he may hold back because you are there. What you should do is find an Al-Anon meeting for you. That way you will gain insight into the disease of addiction and learn how to live your life while loving an addict. That is never easy and I am sure you have questions that need answering. It may not be a good idea to ask those questions of him right now, he has a lot on his plate. You both do.

Again, I am glad you came back and hope you stick around. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Be good to yourself.

[salmanza22]

Thanks Leas. I'm just happy he is finally talking to me about it. It was 3 weeks of "stay out of my life". I will see if he would like to go to a meeting. We attended before after his last relaps of meth in February. His pupils ate still tiny. How long will it take for those to go back? Thanks again.

[GMcp]

i quit heroin ct, my kids dad did the methadone program wich is good if you do it right, but it takes about a week of feelin real S-itty but then its good, its easyer than pills thats for sure, make him drink alota gatoraid and showers all day and walk alot and just let it all come out i woudnt sugest the imodium for that bcuz u want that stuff to come outa u fast he will feel better faster if he dise id say 3 days will be the s-its but after that it gets better, good luck inbox me if u need more info i did it alota times so im pretty good at helping with this one i been off heroin for 9 years now, (on oxy's wich is no better) but clean of those now, but yea let me know if u need more help just send me a message

[10356]

He  should get some Imodium on board so he does not get to weak. it sounds like he is not using but right where he should be for 24 hours off.. also the short amount of time he was using is in his favor.. working is the best thing he could be doing right now as it helps make the wd pass Not watching the clock. in about 4 more days he should be feeling better but the mental battle will go on for awhile. this is where the aftercare would be useful. it does not only have to be AA our NA but a pastor therapist any our all. also you may want to seek help through AlAnon it is a support group for family and ones who love a addict. I sure hope all works out for you and your ex and that this will be his last wd.. lesa

[salmanza22]

Thank you all for the support. We recently split up and he moved out, which is when he relapsed. So now that he is not living with me its hard to "watch" him. I believe he has been using again for 3 weeks maybe 4. He said half a gram a day. (Not to familiar with all this) but he has the vomiting and runs. Achy and restless. But he is functioning. We work together at a dog daycare and he is at work now. Eating a little but puking. He says he hasn't used since in a full 24 hours. I'm not sure if he is doing so well because he didn't use so much for so long or if he is still using.

[10356]

Hi salmanza22.. Welcome to the forum.. I'm sorry to read your bf relapsed into heroin. when I using I went the opposite heroin first then crank. It is very doable to come off.. a lot of hot baths with epson salt this will force magnesium into the muscles and help to relive the cramping. if no bath a hot shower will do.. also heating pad our hot water bottle for the small of the back. wrapping in a heated blanket helps.. if you have motrin aleve tylenol any of these will help a lil.. he needs to force the fluids. Gatorade our any sports drink will do to replace and balance his electrolytes. he needs to try to eat small meals throughout the day and if he is having trouble eating try ensure it has much of the the nutrition he needs. I know this sounds impossible to him but he needs to move around. walking.. even if is pacing the house will help. He needs to get those feel good endorphins pumping in his brain. and the walking helps to relieve symptoms..Hylands restful leg for the pain in his legs it will help them to be still. also if his anxiety is over the top they sell a product called Valerian Root is helps with anxiety.. sleep will not come for a few days really there is nothing to do for this but time.. he will sleep eventually.. Ya know it is very difficult to escape drugs unless we make a lot of changes. people places and things. He will need to change up the very way he goes about his day.. It would be in his best interest to get outside support thru NA our AA these programs are free and if he objects to them then maybe he himself would be willing to come her and speak with us. we have a great group of peps here all in different stages of being clean and getting clean. support is essential. I hope you come back and let us know how he is doing and how you are doing as our addictions are very hard on those that love us.. I wish you both the very best.. lesa

[Emily_MHManager]

Please remember that it is always best to talk to a qualified medical professional before starting any new medication, especially those for Addiction.

Emily

[more0then0a0virus]

How long was he taking the heroin? And how much?

I haven`t had experience w/heroin but I did some opiates few times(shivering, vomitting, sweating, excessive sleeping). I can share with you what I know about heroin withdrawal, even though I don`t know how muck do you know...

There are many ways for doing that.
1. Methadone - for registrated addicts; he can take it for maintenance or for reduction(not so much pain and that stuff as without anything, at least 2-3 pills are needed), it`s physically and psychologically addictive
2. Subutex(buprenorphine)-  the most effective, for registrated addicts; for maintenance, antidepressive efect, decreases urge; physically and psychologically addictive
3. anesthesia for at least 24 hours
4. ibogaine - mostly unsuccessful because of pain
5. without anything - for new addicts, causes inside screaming, pain, shivering, sweating, throwing up, freaking out, diarrhea, the hardest thing ever, it can last few days, how hard it is has to do with how much he used, maybe you should prepare some cans (for vomitting and diarrhea)

I recommend you to watch "Trainspotting". It has got some scenes of heroin withdrawal with help of something similiar to Subotex and without anything...

After getting cleaned, if he don`t take Subutex or methadone, he`ll probably have some desires after a month, few months, and so on until few years passes  

Example of withdrawal:
1. DAY ONE
- Last dose in the morning
- Evening – crisis --> taking Subutex (sublingual)
- Optionally – Stilnox or Valerianafor sleeping (1-2 pills)
2. DAY TWO
- Taking Subutex when needed until crisis stops
- Stilnox or Valeriana
3. AT LEAST 2-3 WEAKS
- Smaller doses of Subutex
-       Stilnox or Valeriana if needed

Hope this helped...

Good luck...

[IBKleen]

Good Morning,

I am bringing this up to the top by posting. I hope that you'll be back this morning and I will watch for you.

Hang in there. There is a lot of good support here.

[dominosarah]

Please keep checking back as we have some members who have a lot of good info for you...

[more0then0a0virus]

How long was he taking the heroin? And how much?

I haven`t had experience w/heroin but I did some opiates few times(throwing up whatever you drank or ate, shivering, sweating, excessive sleeping...). I can share with you what I know about heroin withdrawa from readingl, even though I don`t know what you already know...

There are many ways of doing it.
1. Methadone - for registrated addicts; he can take it for maintenance or for reduction(not so much pain and that stuff as without anything, at least 2-3 pills are needed), it`s physically and psychologically addictive
2. Subutex(buprenorphine)-  the most effective, for registrated addicts; for maintenance, antidepressive efect, decreases urge; physically and psychologically addictive
3. anesthesia for at least 24 hours
4. ibogaine - mostly unsuccessful because of pain
5. without anything - for new addicts, causes inside screaming, pain, shivering, sweating, throwing up, freaking out, diarrhea, the hardest thing ever, it can last few days, how hard it is has to do with how much he used. Prepare at least two cans... (throwing up, diarrhea, optionally pissing)

I recommend you to watch "Trainspotting". It has got some scenes of withdrawal with opiates similiar to Subotex or Methadone and later in a film - without anything ...

After getting cleaned, if he doesn`t regullary take Subutex or methadone, he`ll probably have some desires after a month, few months, and so on until few years passes  

Example of withdrawal - Subotex for symptoms decreasing:
1. DAY ONE
- Last dose in the morning, make sure that`s the last one he has got
- Evening – crisis --> taking Subutex (sublingual)
- Optionally – Stilnox, or Valeriana for sleeping (1-2 pills)
2. DAY TWO
- Taking Subutex when needed until crisis stops
- Stilnox or Valeriana
3. AT LEAST 2-3 WEAKS
- Smaller doses of Subutex + Stilnox or Valeriana if needed

I don`t know if this is helpful...

Well, good luck and I hope you`ll succeed...

[gnarly_1]

HI welcome to the forum....its a little slow at night but as tomorrow comes around you will get more responces....if he is kicking right now force the fluids....a hot soak in the tub goes a long way when you can go to the lower right of this page and look up the Thomas recipe pick up the things it suggests also pick up some stuff callled highlands restful legs...you can get it at walmart .....I am sending a note to a few x/heroin addicts to let them know your out here and need help check back in the morning if your post dosent show up look on page 2 hang in there we will help all we can good luck and God bless......Gnarly