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ONE FOR THE OTHER ???
Ive been holding back since I joined this forum but I think if you want to get clean why sub one for the other it just prolongs the enebadle YOU NEED TO QUIT now I know how drugs has effect people different ways and some need to come doww before they quit but 30-60-120 Days ?? When I went to Detox At the hooper center they put me on bup (SAME AS SUB) it was 6 days of detox than I was out BUT the recovery still remained and thats the part I didnt understand booze is one thing but drugs WOW its a script and thats ok NOT sorry I just had to type whats on my mind. Dave
Dave ,
Sub is definitely a very controversial subject here .I think in certain situations it can be a good choice say you have a member taking 35 vics a day with each pill having 500 mg of APAP that is putting there life in serous risk. There is the chance of liver failure .Benefit out ways the risks .In other situations it does seem to be a replacement drug but that also has a lot to do what you do while taking it to recover. The short term detoxes with it can work very well but most doctors want you to take it of far to long .In the end we all will find different ways to detox and recover and sometime of some people its the right choice
Sub is definitely a very controversial subject here .I think in certain situations it can be a good choice say you have a member taking 35 vics a day with each pill having 500 mg of APAP that is putting there life in serous risk. There is the chance of liver failure .Benefit out ways the risks .In other situations it does seem to be a replacement drug but that also has a lot to do what you do while taking it to recover. The short term detoxes with it can work very well but most doctors want you to take it of far to long .In the end we all will find different ways to detox and recover and sometime of some people its the right choice
I agree Dave.
After 2 months on Fentanyl, I went to my pain mgt Dr & told him there has to be a better way for me. I wanted to be CLEAN. He freaked! "You don't realize how much pain you'll be in!" He even told me I'd be back the next morning. He knows I'm an addict & before I left his office, he said "We'll try Oxycodone, Opana, MS Contin. I kept say NO!
He was losing his temper with me & then suggest Methadone!
GOD was watching over me. I did not take a script.
I do have chronic pain in my back, but heck, give me a fighting chance, will ya?!
JEEZ!
It's been almost 15 days & while I do get a craving every now & then, I have not called him or went to his office.
I'm just taking this one day at a time & using Motrin for the pain.
I never expected my Dr (who really is a nice guy) NOT to support me.
After 2 months on Fentanyl, I went to my pain mgt Dr & told him there has to be a better way for me. I wanted to be CLEAN. He freaked! "You don't realize how much pain you'll be in!" He even told me I'd be back the next morning. He knows I'm an addict & before I left his office, he said "We'll try Oxycodone, Opana, MS Contin. I kept say NO!
He was losing his temper with me & then suggest Methadone!
GOD was watching over me. I did not take a script.
I do have chronic pain in my back, but heck, give me a fighting chance, will ya?!
JEEZ!
It's been almost 15 days & while I do get a craving every now & then, I have not called him or went to his office.
I'm just taking this one day at a time & using Motrin for the pain.
I never expected my Dr (who really is a nice guy) NOT to support me.
Sorry for venting we all are in a choice of life to give in or not SORRY im being blunt but thats the only thing I undersatand we have friends here to help us but in all reality we have to do it on our own with the support team of you all. I wake up in the middle of the night just to read the progress OH I here the birds singing thats cool I know Im progressing and moving forwared than I try to lay down and catch a another 1 hour sleep all in all its what you want you want out of life Dave
maybe its me but ....your first post is very confusing. Its kinda all over the place and I really dont even what your saying. Sorry
Im just venting the moral of the post is I have to much to say and I dont know how to say it I just know that reading the post and what everybodys going through I understand Because Im there sorry for the confusition Dave
Gotta look at the big picture. That's another thing about being apart of this site. You become more aware and educated about many things. Suboxone can be a savior to many people. But, like anything it can be abused as well. And unfortunately when you come off the Suboxone, it has to be done slowly, depending on how much you took. I used to think the same thing as you. Clean isn't clean unless you're off everything, so once you get your use out of Suboxone, then why not quit? Well, it's just not that simple to everyone. There was someone I met on here who was taking 240mg of oxycontin a day. Like WHOA dangerous. Now? 1mg of Suboxone a day. He's been on there for over a year. I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that 1mg of Suboxone a day is completely nothing compared to 240mg of oxycontin a day. Just got to remember everyone is different and in my book, that guy is a hero.
In my case, my pain in my back is likely chronic and for those with chronic pain and can take any type of pain medication responsibly as prescribed, I applaud them, but clearly I can't go that route anymore. So I choose to deal with the pain and since I used Suboxone to get clean off of Hydrocodone (20 or more 10/325mg pills a day) and Suboxone is helping me manage my pain as low as 1 or 2mg a day, I will use it as needed while finding alternative pain management (chiropractic, massage therapy, physical therapy, acupuncture(sp?), etc.) and then I'm confident I can move on. I know in cases of chronic pain there is an exception to all this, but progress is progress.
So I say to anyone who has recognized they have a problem and would like to fix it, I applaud them! To those who have reduced their intake....I applaud them too! To those who keep trying, but continue to relapse, but still keep trying, I applaud their effort and hope they keep fighting the good fight! For those who were on heroin and are going to the methadone clinic because they are sick of sticking needles in their body, I applaud them! To those who were on the path to death or liver failure due to their opiate intake and have found that Suboxone was the way out of the fog, I applaud them! To all who want, have, or will quit their drug of choice, including those ones who quit cold turkey a day or 2 ago and are going through pure hell, I APPLAUD YOU TOO! God Bless!
Barry
In my case, my pain in my back is likely chronic and for those with chronic pain and can take any type of pain medication responsibly as prescribed, I applaud them, but clearly I can't go that route anymore. So I choose to deal with the pain and since I used Suboxone to get clean off of Hydrocodone (20 or more 10/325mg pills a day) and Suboxone is helping me manage my pain as low as 1 or 2mg a day, I will use it as needed while finding alternative pain management (chiropractic, massage therapy, physical therapy, acupuncture(sp?), etc.) and then I'm confident I can move on. I know in cases of chronic pain there is an exception to all this, but progress is progress.
So I say to anyone who has recognized they have a problem and would like to fix it, I applaud them! To those who have reduced their intake....I applaud them too! To those who keep trying, but continue to relapse, but still keep trying, I applaud their effort and hope they keep fighting the good fight! For those who were on heroin and are going to the methadone clinic because they are sick of sticking needles in their body, I applaud them! To those who were on the path to death or liver failure due to their opiate intake and have found that Suboxone was the way out of the fog, I applaud them! To all who want, have, or will quit their drug of choice, including those ones who quit cold turkey a day or 2 ago and are going through pure hell, I APPLAUD YOU TOO! God Bless!
Barry
Dave, Sorry I am a bit confused as was TrayCee gosh I thought it was me until I read TC's post because everyone else got it!!
I think what you are saying is you want to be drug free and to do so without any type of maintenance drug i.e. suboxone, and good for you that you are can quit without any chemical assistance.
I will tell you that as the mom of an oxy addict and I will say it one more time, I am not pro or con suboxone..... it is a very personal and individual decision that one makes after a great deal of research and you have exhausted all other avenues, and trust me there is not one approach or treatment that we did not try for our daughter and Sub was the last option. She is doing very well for the past almost 3 months work, college, NA, IOP, community involvement, For those that want to say she traded a drug for a drug, my daughter's life is normal again, I have lived it, they havent.... I hope you will continue all of your avenues for a sober and healthy life take good care my friend I send you only send you the best of my wishes.......
I think what you are saying is you want to be drug free and to do so without any type of maintenance drug i.e. suboxone, and good for you that you are can quit without any chemical assistance.
I will tell you that as the mom of an oxy addict and I will say it one more time, I am not pro or con suboxone..... it is a very personal and individual decision that one makes after a great deal of research and you have exhausted all other avenues, and trust me there is not one approach or treatment that we did not try for our daughter and Sub was the last option. She is doing very well for the past almost 3 months work, college, NA, IOP, community involvement, For those that want to say she traded a drug for a drug, my daughter's life is normal again, I have lived it, they havent.... I hope you will continue all of your avenues for a sober and healthy life take good care my friend I send you only send you the best of my wishes.......
Good post! Very non-judgemental.
I guess I'm more anti-Sub for my own personal reasons.
EVERY opiate I have taken has almost killed me. Don't know what it is about my system. It really baffels me. Even Darvocet makes me lose so much weight I get sick.
Weird, huh?? I do love the first few months & then BAM! I start losing weight, blood pressure goes up & down, I lose control of my emotions, my hair falls out in clumps, you name it. That's why I HAD to CT off Fentanyl. That drug really just about killed me in 2 months time. I was in the shower & had some kind of episode on it & almost hurt myself. I'd love to be on long term pain mgt, but what in the world could I take?
I'm 51 & creak everywhere. I've had 2 cervical surgeries & been in the hospital for my back. So, I'm sure as I age there will be a time that the pain gets too rough.
I'm so scared of that time. Of course I will abuse any opiate I get, so that does start the wheels in motion. But I did not abuse the Fentanyl. I'm very tired of this merry-go-round.
I have to get off & stay off for as long as possible.
I was so sick this time that I am very surprised my heart didn't give out.
It hurt all the time. Palpitating, fluttering.
So you see why I didn't want to get on the Sub's. Too afraid.
Like they say in NA, I'm not sure I have another recovery in me.
This **** is getting old & so am I.
I guess I'm more anti-Sub for my own personal reasons.
EVERY opiate I have taken has almost killed me. Don't know what it is about my system. It really baffels me. Even Darvocet makes me lose so much weight I get sick.
Weird, huh?? I do love the first few months & then BAM! I start losing weight, blood pressure goes up & down, I lose control of my emotions, my hair falls out in clumps, you name it. That's why I HAD to CT off Fentanyl. That drug really just about killed me in 2 months time. I was in the shower & had some kind of episode on it & almost hurt myself. I'd love to be on long term pain mgt, but what in the world could I take?
I'm 51 & creak everywhere. I've had 2 cervical surgeries & been in the hospital for my back. So, I'm sure as I age there will be a time that the pain gets too rough.
I'm so scared of that time. Of course I will abuse any opiate I get, so that does start the wheels in motion. But I did not abuse the Fentanyl. I'm very tired of this merry-go-round.
I have to get off & stay off for as long as possible.
I was so sick this time that I am very surprised my heart didn't give out.
It hurt all the time. Palpitating, fluttering.
So you see why I didn't want to get on the Sub's. Too afraid.
Like they say in NA, I'm not sure I have another recovery in me.
This **** is getting old & so am I.
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