Aa
just sitting here holding out til my next dose of tramadol
well I don't really have a question...it just helps me to write...lol. I took my last 3.5 trams this morning at 9 am. before that I hadn't had any in 17.5 hrs which was an accident cuz I had a few glasses of wine and went to sleep and woke up with withdrawals....ugh the restless legs and skin crawling is the worst. anyway i'm startin to feel the withdrawals again cuz its been like 12 hrs now. just laying here watching "don't be tardy" on bravo..lol. so i'm just gonna wait as long as I can standit I guess. what a long process this is.idont know if I need to start feeling uncomfortable before I take them but i'm thinkin it helps me go longer after a few days. I don't know.
No problem! Why don't you take one tablet every 4 hours? That would be six every 24 hours and you'd even be dropping a tablet! I don't believe you would have any appreciable wd's. Maybe a symptom here and there but remember: There is no easy, painless way around this. You need to go through it and tapering is pretty kind and gentle to your body so you'll be okay.
The other thing is distraction. Occupy your mind AND body. Get cleaned up, do some chores around the house, make stuff with the kids and take them outdoors walking...little, active things. You'd be surprised how the time passes. It's all about a mindset and you should feel just fine with a constant blood level of the drug. Please try it today because taking those 31/2 pills at once is just wrong. I can't believe you don't feel that and if you DO then that's what's wrong about the way you've been doing this. Spread them out...okay? Please? (I'm begging lol). And then you should talk about the "eliminating wine and Percocet" problem...xo
The other thing is distraction. Occupy your mind AND body. Get cleaned up, do some chores around the house, make stuff with the kids and take them outdoors walking...little, active things. You'd be surprised how the time passes. It's all about a mindset and you should feel just fine with a constant blood level of the drug. Please try it today because taking those 31/2 pills at once is just wrong. I can't believe you don't feel that and if you DO then that's what's wrong about the way you've been doing this. Spread them out...okay? Please? (I'm begging lol). And then you should talk about the "eliminating wine and Percocet" problem...xo
also...clean-in-ks...I am taking 50 mg pills. I see what u all are saying about the spiking doses...I just took it wrong the way it was said. I see now why u r saying itsnot a taper from a pharmacological stand point. I will definitely try to spread it out. I just don't know how. I take 3.5 pills at around 9 am now and 3.5 at around 9 pm...and it feels pretty comfortable...but I see what ur saying about what is the best way to come off as opposed to just coming off them in general. I'm scared if I spread them out that I'll feel worse and that it will be harder. Like will I have withdrawals again then and will I have psych symptoms? I just wanna do this the best way I can.
omg u guys! u r all so right!!! I am just so screwed up and so defensive. I see exactly what Vicki was trying to say now about my taper not being a taper and me not succeeding with what i'm doing. I totally get what u guys are saying now...I just took it wrong at first. please forgive me...I am just having a time of it trying to figure this stuff out. Also...I didn't realize about my tolerance to the percs, going down as I come of the tramadol and how dangerous that can be. That is REALLY important to know and I appreciate that insight...believe me. I am so sorry for taking what u said the wrong way Vicki....I appreciate what everyone on here is saying.
I have to say I agree with CIK. I think everyone is just worried about you. We all express our thoughts and feelings differently, some come off sweet n nice, and others just say what they're thinking and don't sugarcoat anything. But at the end of the day, they all mean well and want to see YOU well! :)
Something I will never forget hearing here is "take what you need, and leave the rest". I wish you well and am also rootin' for ya!!
Something I will never forget hearing here is "take what you need, and leave the rest". I wish you well and am also rootin' for ya!!
It's great that you found MH....and it's great that you have reduced your daily tramadol intake. It's also great that you aren't doing the booze/perc combo every night now but it may be even more dangerous to do that once a month or so as it creates that same "spike" affect you are addictively seeking and can be uber dangerous! It's also great that you are making progress in your realization and thinking about your addictions. The new realizations are what it's gonna take to get clean of all mind altering substances. And then following thru and getting some help of some kind: therapy, meetings, etc. We have to get to the CAUSE of our desires to numb over. And we can't do it alone. We all need people to talk to.
One question I have had all along, that I think has been misunderstood, is what mg strength the tramadol is that you have purchased online and are taking? The approved maximum dose is 400 mg/day....and that's what your dr originally prescribed right? So, I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that you are taking 100 mg pills....not 50 mg? This makes a huge difference in and of itself.
If you have yourself down to 7 pills/day....is that 700 mg or 350 mg???
Obviously you have put yourself on your own taper plan and for some reason have convinced yourself that taking a lot of pills at one time is better than spreading them out into even doses throughout a 24 hr day. A true taper keeps blood levels EVEN during the day...and it lessens w/drawal feelings. Your brain doesn't get a huge surge....then nothing for 12 hrs...and then another surge. The anxiety and depression, while a huge part of getting off any opiate, would also be less severe if your brain wasn't getting a blast and then nothing.
The term "spiking" means to flood your brain/body with a high dose versus spreading the drug dose evenly every so many hrs. Addicts spike there doses.....for the feeling. I did it too. That isn't really what a taper IS....because we are still taking more pills than necessary or safe at one time.
Yes it's GREAT that you have reduced the number of pills per day....but how about spreading those 7 pills out?
I hope you will consider ALL the feedback you get w/o getting defensive. No one is attacking you or being negative. Just trying to help and offer new ways of looking at all of this.
When you posted what you did on Craig's thread.....it threw up danger flags for all of us. The deadly combo of alcohol/oxycodone is a concern because WE CARE ABOUT YOU!!! If you were doing that nightly, and now have cut back to monthly, plus you have majorly reduced your Tramadol intake.....you could overdose NOW where you might not have before. Your neurotransmitters are changing in your brain with each positive reduction you make. We just don't want to lose you, ok?
Please re-think the details of your taper plan.....and please keep posting. We are all rootin for you~
One question I have had all along, that I think has been misunderstood, is what mg strength the tramadol is that you have purchased online and are taking? The approved maximum dose is 400 mg/day....and that's what your dr originally prescribed right? So, I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that you are taking 100 mg pills....not 50 mg? This makes a huge difference in and of itself.
If you have yourself down to 7 pills/day....is that 700 mg or 350 mg???
Obviously you have put yourself on your own taper plan and for some reason have convinced yourself that taking a lot of pills at one time is better than spreading them out into even doses throughout a 24 hr day. A true taper keeps blood levels EVEN during the day...and it lessens w/drawal feelings. Your brain doesn't get a huge surge....then nothing for 12 hrs...and then another surge. The anxiety and depression, while a huge part of getting off any opiate, would also be less severe if your brain wasn't getting a blast and then nothing.
The term "spiking" means to flood your brain/body with a high dose versus spreading the drug dose evenly every so many hrs. Addicts spike there doses.....for the feeling. I did it too. That isn't really what a taper IS....because we are still taking more pills than necessary or safe at one time.
Yes it's GREAT that you have reduced the number of pills per day....but how about spreading those 7 pills out?
I hope you will consider ALL the feedback you get w/o getting defensive. No one is attacking you or being negative. Just trying to help and offer new ways of looking at all of this.
When you posted what you did on Craig's thread.....it threw up danger flags for all of us. The deadly combo of alcohol/oxycodone is a concern because WE CARE ABOUT YOU!!! If you were doing that nightly, and now have cut back to monthly, plus you have majorly reduced your Tramadol intake.....you could overdose NOW where you might not have before. Your neurotransmitters are changing in your brain with each positive reduction you make. We just don't want to lose you, ok?
Please re-think the details of your taper plan.....and please keep posting. We are all rootin for you~
Okay. That sounds good! Your coming here was a positive thing not a negative. I'm just trying to figure it all out, along with everyone else, so I can help. I don't feel like I'm being negative toward you but if that's how YOU feel I can accept that. I want what you want, Sweetie, and I can see some flags that I needed to mention because they're scary.
Where is your support? Have you reached out to anyone? Husband? Sitting in a room all day with only MH is sliding to a dark place so what can you do to change that? If you read the thread that Gnarly asked us to comment on, you'll see a common theme. None of us have done "this" alone. Not one of us!
Believe me, I'm not picking on you in the way you think. I want to help. Are you planning to go to an NA or AA meeting? It will really help and give you some face to face support. I understand about trying to figure out a plan of action, as well, and in spite of the way you've chosen to do things you HAVE decreased your Tramadol dose and nothing can diminish that! I know you're trying...now to get you out of the house!
Where is your support? Have you reached out to anyone? Husband? Sitting in a room all day with only MH is sliding to a dark place so what can you do to change that? If you read the thread that Gnarly asked us to comment on, you'll see a common theme. None of us have done "this" alone. Not one of us!
Believe me, I'm not picking on you in the way you think. I want to help. Are you planning to go to an NA or AA meeting? It will really help and give you some face to face support. I understand about trying to figure out a plan of action, as well, and in spite of the way you've chosen to do things you HAVE decreased your Tramadol dose and nothing can diminish that! I know you're trying...now to get you out of the house!
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