THIS IS NO JOKE: If you're on Subutex, Methadone or Suboxone, GET OFF NOW!!!!!!!!

[cindy990]

how come no doctors really know what the long term side effects and the many actual DAMAGEs to the body subutex does?? I stayed on it for about 10 years and it was the most HORRIFIC detox that I almost died. I encourage EVERYONE to (if you're already on it)-GET OFF OF IT, or you're just gonna make the detox harder and harder with time...and if you're thinking about getting PUT on it, THINK AGAIN!!!!! I would LOVE to go around EDUCATING DOCTORS about how HORRIBLE this medication is. I am about to face the dentist in an hour and am MORTIFIED to do so because I have METH-MOUTH. (funny thing is, I NEVER DID METH!!). It's ALL FROM SUBUTEX and how it just sits in your bones and builds up over time and seems to EAT away your bone marrow and rapes your body of calcium. And the refuse of medication that just sits rotting your bones makes a later "appearance" in the show whenever it is you decide to detox. That's when it comes PURGING out of every single pore of your body as well as through your TEETH!! (just like the bones in your body). It has been FOUR MONTHS and my body STILL aches UNIMAGINABLY, I am in a constant state of Incredibly INTENSE anxiety, frustration and impatience. I don't wanna EVER get out of bed and face the world, even though I Must...Feels like groundhog day because it never changes. I wake up everyday in intense agony. And all over my body my skin has broken out in "PLAGUE-like" Acne-some places CYSTIC. (my body is detoxifying from the outside in) I don't WANNA leave my house because I feel like a monster. like I'm CURSED. This medication is THE DEVIL. It NEVER WANTS U OFF OF IT, it grabs ahold of your SOUL and never EVER lets go. (until you get FORCED to(the law/jail)or you just get so SICK of taking a godamm PILL every morning just to feel like the rest of the human race does when they wake up. It is hell on Earth, and you are absolutely INSANE if you stay on this med after reading this!!! THIS IS NO JOKE!!!! Email me if you want me to GO ON even!! ***@****

[nursegirl6572]

Well said, gnarly!

[gnarly_1]

HI well I wont argue this with you methadone ruled my life for 7yrs and it had profound long lasting withdrawals  I would have been better telling the doctor no thanks but I bit the hook and wound up a lot like you  I too lost teeth to it it soaked into my bones making the withdrawal horable im not an avacate of the stuff but on the flip side it is better then sticking a needle in your arm  both methadone and sub save coutless lives but on the same hand it is way over perscribed to those that should just detox off the pills good luck to you just know it does get better with time  you should join N/A it will help to have someone to talk to one on one good luck and God bless...............................Gnarly......................................

[weaver71]

Yes Ricart, I really wanted that sub buz back, once I was taking nothing. Sub is a different high, so it felt "normal." I've read studies stating that 4 mg of sub covers 80 percent of emotion receptors in the brain. Non-addicts describe 2mg sub like a speed ball, upper and downer mixed. Illicit subs are running rampant in Scandanavia, they are abused more than cocaine, amphetamine, and heroine combined. They are a drug, a powerful one.  I feel that craving sub is like craving any opiate. You're not missing anything, if you are clean. You will find most people who are still claiming a miracle drug are still taking it, I felt that way about methadone at first, but all opiates and opioids can turn on you.  oBut to answer your question, yes, I do miss getting high sometimes. Subs really did feel good, that's why a lot of people get stuck on them. Used as a Small part of a complete recovery program, they can be a good transition drug, but then you have to detox again. Of coarse these are opinions, but I'd never trade total sobriety for SUBriety. Subs saved my life and felt so good it scared me. I should have taken them longer, but fear of a new addiction overwhelmed me. It's 4 hrs to a GOOD sub doctor here, so I made a lot of mistakes. I'm so lucky and grateful to be alive. I h

[ricart70]

Sometimes when  I see posts where people say how great they feel and how clear headed and motivated they are  and how sub has changed their life and made it better than it ever was I think that I am missing something by not being on suboxone. Does anyone else who is completely clean and sober ever feel that way? Who knows. I do feel like that sometimes when I see them.  

[40mgtoFreedom]

Yes. It is like an anti-depressant in some cases.

[nursegirl6572]

Oh I agree completely.  I state all the time that a lot of people really don't have enough of a habit to justify Sub, but not everyone can be convinced, and sometimes the patients themselves seek it out, because they just cannot handle the w/ds.  I would never recommend Sub for someone with a minimal habit..but if they're already on it, or have made up their minds...I try to give them the facts they need, and try to educate them as best I can...because like I said, there is just so much bad info out there.

I wasn't disagreeing with that aspect of your post at all...it was this post of yours I was referencing:

Also like to add Suboxone/Subutex can be very successful but only if used no longer than 21 days .

A statement like that unfortunately just feeds into the misconception out there.  You are making a strong statement...and nowhere does it indicate that it's your opinion, so many could read that as a factual statement....and it isn't.  

With the way sub works, and the long half life, 21 days isn't long enough to accomplish anything in a sub program, and most importantly, it isn't long enough to do a controlled taper so that people don't suffer horrendous w/ds.  

Like I said above, it takes 2 weeks (sometimes longer) JUST for the body to adjust to the Sub and for the buprenorphine to fill the opiate receptors in the way they do.  That would leave a week to get off the subs.  It's a little complex to understand exactly how it works..but again, this whole idea that sub should only be used for a very very short period of time is inherently incorrect considering how sub works.  That's not to say that some don't use it that way...but it isn't how it's indicated to be used.

Please understand that I'm just trying to clarify, not trying to be argumentative or anything.  

[JeanJM]

I'm talking about people who take low doses of Opiates. They do not need to be put on a long term Sub programme. Like me and my Doctor trying to force me onto 8mg Suboxone for 150mg Codeine habit it's kinda ridiculous don't you think? but unfortunately a lot of people are being put on this kind of dose.