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getting off sub
I think it was when fladdict started on sub last year, that the "sub craze" started. but i am a little confused
i have been reading some posts this morning and i hear ppl talking about STILL being on sub. what is that about? i thought the goal was to start tapering as soon as you start. am i wrong? i mean...why would someone continue to take the sub for months on end?
i wonder if you are not using the sub as just another means to not have to deal with your core issues. what happens when you come off the sub? and if you say that "nothing" happens...then why would one continue to use it for an extended length of time?
i have been reading some posts this morning and i hear ppl talking about STILL being on sub. what is that about? i thought the goal was to start tapering as soon as you start. am i wrong? i mean...why would someone continue to take the sub for months on end?
i wonder if you are not using the sub as just another means to not have to deal with your core issues. what happens when you come off the sub? and if you say that "nothing" happens...then why would one continue to use it for an extended length of time?
recovery is an on going process, that's why they say A DAY AT A TIME.
and I believe there is no cure for ADDICTION/ALCOHOLISM, there is treatment.. and yes
we must treat the body, the spirit and the emotions. It's a 3 fold disease and with the right treatment permanent recovery can happen.
Suboxone is different for everyone, if you are using it for w/d's usually Dr's start you at 8mg's for a week and drop you every week until you are at 1mg for every other day and than you stop with no w/d's at all. But DR's have found that is great for txing people in chronic pain that have problems with opiate addiction. It does lighten the pain a great deal.
I have been a sober/recovering alcoholic for 11 years, I have done the steps time and time again. Everytime I have a new sponsee I go through the steps with them, I have been to over 8000 meetings at least and each day I start fresh in recovery. I can pick up a drink as easily as a new comer, and if I forget that I will be drunk very soon..
Now I am new to recovery with pills/addiction and I have to see it the same way with alcohol. I have been over hydros for a year now and each day is a bran new day in recovery. I have tried to detox/get off of pills every way possible. C/T, W/D's, taking time off from work, going to in patient detox and every time I failed. Not because of lacking the wanting to be clean or the support or not going to meetings, have done it all.
I failed for one reason THE PAIN, I started the pills because of severe chronic pain and became addicted. When I stopped the pills no Dr could help with the pain, I could not function the pain was so bad. I had to give up work, friends, family. I went to all of the meetings, had a sponsor the works, but the pain took me out. By being on suboxone for 4 months while the DR's found a way to deal with my pain on a long term basis I finally got clean. First they put me on suboxone for the pain 4mgs, TID, then when they found a drug free tx for me, they tapered me from suboxone.
Thank god for suboxone, it saved my life and bought me time so the Dr's could help me.
I still work a program every day, meetings, steps, 12 step work, service, recovery, unity.
SO 1 day at time I am new clean and free.
and I believe there is no cure for ADDICTION/ALCOHOLISM, there is treatment.. and yes
we must treat the body, the spirit and the emotions. It's a 3 fold disease and with the right treatment permanent recovery can happen.
Suboxone is different for everyone, if you are using it for w/d's usually Dr's start you at 8mg's for a week and drop you every week until you are at 1mg for every other day and than you stop with no w/d's at all. But DR's have found that is great for txing people in chronic pain that have problems with opiate addiction. It does lighten the pain a great deal.
I have been a sober/recovering alcoholic for 11 years, I have done the steps time and time again. Everytime I have a new sponsee I go through the steps with them, I have been to over 8000 meetings at least and each day I start fresh in recovery. I can pick up a drink as easily as a new comer, and if I forget that I will be drunk very soon..
Now I am new to recovery with pills/addiction and I have to see it the same way with alcohol. I have been over hydros for a year now and each day is a bran new day in recovery. I have tried to detox/get off of pills every way possible. C/T, W/D's, taking time off from work, going to in patient detox and every time I failed. Not because of lacking the wanting to be clean or the support or not going to meetings, have done it all.
I failed for one reason THE PAIN, I started the pills because of severe chronic pain and became addicted. When I stopped the pills no Dr could help with the pain, I could not function the pain was so bad. I had to give up work, friends, family. I went to all of the meetings, had a sponsor the works, but the pain took me out. By being on suboxone for 4 months while the DR's found a way to deal with my pain on a long term basis I finally got clean. First they put me on suboxone for the pain 4mgs, TID, then when they found a drug free tx for me, they tapered me from suboxone.
Thank god for suboxone, it saved my life and bought me time so the Dr's could help me.
I still work a program every day, meetings, steps, 12 step work, service, recovery, unity.
SO 1 day at time I am new clean and free.
and you are so right about that...i couldnt agree more...if your not willing to make the necessary changes...whats the point? nothing is as important as aftercare of ANY kind at any time...thanks hun..
wait2long/mary: Thanks for the insight! I was referring to those who choose to do no aftercare of any type....whether they are on sub or not...
.nothing changes, if nothing changes.!!!
.nothing changes, if nothing changes.!!!
yes...recovery is always possible with the right tools...i think we all have the same goal here...
Good post Mary, that helps me understand more and I agree for people that have relapsed many times I can see where it would be a positive option.
K Todd, Lizzie doesn't need Sub. she's probably the only one in here that hasn't been addicted to a drug. She is here because she has a great deal of knowledge in this area. She keeps us all in line:-)
And there is no cure for addiction but I do believe you can recover. I don't think everyone can due to situations and support etc. Like toxictome says only 2% make it, but if you have support and fix your problems within yourself and learn the right ways to deal with problems and issues in your life instead of covering them up you increase your chances. You can be healed from cancer and other disease so I feel very confident in myself:-)
K Todd, Lizzie doesn't need Sub. she's probably the only one in here that hasn't been addicted to a drug. She is here because she has a great deal of knowledge in this area. She keeps us all in line:-)
And there is no cure for addiction but I do believe you can recover. I don't think everyone can due to situations and support etc. Like toxictome says only 2% make it, but if you have support and fix your problems within yourself and learn the right ways to deal with problems and issues in your life instead of covering them up you increase your chances. You can be healed from cancer and other disease so I feel very confident in myself:-)
Wow,
Long time since I have talked w/ you. If you want to do the sub treatment, do it.
Some just tend to stay on it longer than others, due to comfort, jobs or whatever..
Some taper off the sub, some don't.
If you have your plan, and don't take the sub treatment everyday, then taper down as you go thru it.
Anyway, it's good to see you.
Love,
Todd
Long time since I have talked w/ you. If you want to do the sub treatment, do it.
Some just tend to stay on it longer than others, due to comfort, jobs or whatever..
Some taper off the sub, some don't.
If you have your plan, and don't take the sub treatment everyday, then taper down as you go thru it.
Anyway, it's good to see you.
Love,
Todd
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