getting off sub

[LIZZIE LOU]

I think it was when fladdict started on sub last year, that the "sub craze" started.  but i am a little confused

i have been reading some posts this morning and i hear ppl talking about STILL being on sub.  what is that about?  i thought the goal was to start tapering as soon as you start.  am i wrong?  i mean...why would someone continue to take the sub for months on end?

i wonder if you are not using the sub as just another means to not have to deal with your core issues.  what happens when you come off the sub?  and if you say that "nothing" happens...then why would one continue to use it for an extended length of time?

[wait2long]

there is NO cure for addiction...suboxone is not a cure...thats is a fact.

[Marce4]

Excellent and insightful post.  I couldn't agree more!  I think Sub is just prolonging the inevitable and you still have to w/d....even with the long slow taper!  If it has saved lifes, that is great, but it seems more like a bandaid than a cure. Just my opinion!!!

[cocobeanlisa]

Hey I just need to post this,

Yes recovery is about dealing/learning and being free from drugs.

Suboxone is used to treat pain for people that have become addicted to hydros.

Dr's usally Rx 3 4mgs a day for pain, and I know for a fact that suboxone does not find
any feelings nor does it give you any kind of mood altering effect.  (it's a opiate without the high).

It's like Naproxen (non narc pain relief) but stronger.

I think to each their own, and also after awhile suboxone does not help with opiate cravings.  And if you do try to get high on it (take more than you should) you get sick, headaches.

cocobean

[wait2long]

being on sub long term has made it so i CAN deal with my core issues, constantly being sick from withdrawals and taper plans wasnt getting me the help i needed, which was and still is therapy. simply taking a pill to stop withdrawals is NOT what it is "ALL" about, and if people are taking sub thinking thats all it takes, well then they arent working the treatment plan as a whole.  if your able to stay clean after a simple detox, why would you even need sub to begin with? just detox and stop if its that simple for you?  its not that simple for most. and if your a long term addict then you can only benefit from long term treatment, which include #1 therapy or meetings whichever you choose, the ability to lead a normal life while tending to core issues, learning to deal with temptation, cravings, stress, PAWS, anxiety, depression and giving yourself some time to heal while you have this time of feeling normal. learning all you can while feeling NORMAL so when it is time to get off sub, you are better equipped to deal with it.  people who are "sick" and in constant agony from symptoms of addiction are far less likely to do anything about these issues, which eventually, that alone CAN lead to relapse. i cant even begin to tell you the people that I have talked to that used sub for detox purposes only to go back to their DOC and wish they had stayed on longer...now they have to start the process all over again...so how did THAT help them, it didnt.  long term isnt for everyone, but neither is short term detox.  and this is a good thing about sub...it CAN and SHOULD be tailored to the individual...not as a 1 treatment suits all.

[Shotrock]

Great post!  I've used Sub as a fill in drug and also a drug to get off Hydro. It has its place in recovery no doubt, it allowed me to function at a high level for 3 months, w/o thinking about pills. For me personally i wasn't myself, and thats where i'm trying to get to. I want my life back. You have no Idea how many people i turned on to Sub, unfortunately I was reccomending it to my addict friends as a fill in Drug. And the Dr. didn't give a **** about anything but the 200 bucks.  So I really think it is a great recovery option under the care of a good Dr.   Day 13 I feel great mostly because of the wonderful people that I don't know.  God Bless

[FLaddict]

I ask this same question at least 20x per day.....