question about sub

[mdan9mm]

Hey everyone, hope all is well. This is day 16 for me on the sub and i saw my dr today. among other things we talked about was this website as i tell him i've learned alot of important things about the use of sub on this site and that everyone here truely seems down to earth and really cares about each other, as were all in the same boat, sort of. Among what we talked about was my concern about the  " severe wd's " from the sub when it is finally time to stop. Again, this is only my 16th day on it and im doing 6 mg per day, down from 16mg a day. I'm doing fine, no wd's, no cravings for the hydro's, go to work, play with the kids, pretty much just back to being " normal ' , whatever that is...lol..!!.  I also have been on seraquel and trazadone to sleep since getting out of detox, and since i started the sub, I have NOT taken ONE of those to sleep as im getting about 6-8 hrs a sleep a night just from being on the sub. I'm still taking the 20 mg lexapro for the depression though, but thats it. My dr said im getting too worried about the wd's when i stop (from what i've learned from you guys). He asked me then to post a question on how did those of you on the sub, finally stop (taper off) as im sure it worked wonders for most of you, AND that most of you did not experience severe wd's ( at least i hope not !! ). Like i said its only my 16th day and i know ill be probably be on it for a while longer, and i dont have a problem with it as long as I feel good, and i dont have any craving to use again. I go to a one on one with my dr once a week, and am going to start those group meetings hopefully in a few days. Thanks, Mark...

[refusingbondage]

This question is completely not argumentative and purely curious.  Can anyone tell me what proof is there that your brain heals on suboxone?  Or chemically how your brain can heal from an opiate addiction while taking an opiate??  Surpressing the high you get from opiates is a fantastic way to deal with addictive behavoir, but while taking sub you are still feeding your brain an opiate.  

[Shelwoy]

I keep reading the same stories, and I will keep saying this- Suboxone has a very low success rate when used in a rapid detox situation.Significant brain changes occur while on opiates that takes allot of time and hard work to heal from.
If you have taken opiates for a year or more, do you honestly think your brain and body are going to heal and go back to normal in a month? We have abused ourselves with drugs that alter our lives significantly- there is no easy answer or cure.
I really wish doctors realized that they are causing a great deal of harm by trying to use Sub as a quick remedy.It is a tool that should be used along with a well rounded recovery program.There are no guarantees, but putting your addiction in remission will have much greater success if you are educated on Suboxone correctly.Go to www.naabt.org There is a ton of useful information on Suboxone and a forum of people who have used it successfully.

[refusingbondage]

In my opinion what sub does is mask withdrawal for however long you use it.. at some point during sub use your become addicted to it and then you suffer coming off it.  The only reason its able to mask w/d is because its an opiate.. and with opiates come addiciton just like any other opiate.. Its a very useful tool for some and I give it its credit for helping addicts stop their mental addiction and drug seeking ways and allows time to mentally live without your drug of choice, but physically its far worse to come off of.  A slow sub taper is what I did, 2mg ever month or every other month and at the end it was the most difficult detox I have ever experienced... physically and mentally I was unprepared for what the sub detox entailed.. but thankfully Im feeling a lot better at day 47..however its been 47 days of withdrawal physical and emotional.. I dont think you would find 47 days of physical symptoms with vicodin withdrawal

[ochooked]

Hi Mdan ---  I have to concur with Sarah ----  I too was on Sub for only 21 days ---  Thought I had found the perfect painless way to break my addiction ------  I tapered to taking only a crumb and had NO idea of the agony that awaited me.   There are many others who have posted and some like Sarah were on it for a short time and others like Refusingbondage were on it for over a year --- All had the same result ---  It is so much harder to come off of than Hydro, Oxy, or anything except Heroin or Methadone.  I hope you will stay and post your own experience AFTER you try to come off of it.  Perhaps you will find a way to express your feelings about it that will help others who are considering using it.  I am now at day 55 since my last crumb of Sub and until yesterday I did not know what a day was like without W/D's.   I know that he!! hath no fury like trying to divorce Sub.   Wish you all the best --- Please continue to post.

[Sarah1083]

When I got off the sub after only 21 days the withdrawels were so bad I was back on Lorcets within a week.  The withdrawels for sub last double time than
withdrawels from painkillers.  Just be careful and good luck.

[worried878]

Doctors that prescribe sub are often pro sub....hoping u r moving forward and not backwards...i would be happy all the time on 6 mg of sub everyday myself...thing is we have to learn to be happy with our own coping mechanisms....be safe